Whats better?

[lightscribe]

Cletine/Assault vs. Skystrider/Supremacy for drg, assuming I can keep a 6-hit with cletine.

[Cream Soda]

I'd go with Cletine/active minuet (I should get one too since I have aurum and can prolly keep 6hit with it)

[Wolfknight]

Cletine/Assault vs. Skystrider/Supremacy for drg, assuming I can keep a 6-hit with cletine.

Well it comes down to:
3% Crit, -12[-3%] delay, 2 acc, 5 vit vs 2 dmg, +6 str, +1 att, jump tp bonus, Assuming 6-hit w/both I'd say cletine since 3% less delay means, more ws, not mention crit up drakesbane, and 2 acc should beat the str/att for tp but not ws.

[Yugl]

White Tathlum needed for Cletine to reach 6-Hit build.

5 ATT + 2 ACC + 3% Crit v 6 STR + 6 ATT + 5 Extra TP on Jumps + 1 DEX + 4 ATT + 4 ACC

Condensed that is:

3% Crit v 6 STR + 5 ATT + 6.4TP for Jumps + 1 DEX + 2 ACC

Note: It's 6.4TP since Store TP works on the Jump Bonus.

[Wolfknight]

White Tathlum needed for Cletine to reach 6-Hit build.

5 ATT + 2 ACC + 3% Crit v 6 STR + 6 ATT + 5 Extra TP on Jumps + 1 DEX + 4 ATT + 4 ACC

Condensed that is:

3% Crit v 6 STR + 5 ATT + 6.4TP for Jumps + 1 DEX + 2 ACC

Note: It's 6.4TP since Store TP works on the Jump Bonus.

Except w/Aurum Cuirass, 6-hit both either way, so white tathulm isn't needed.

[Yugl]

Except w/Aurum Cuirass, 6-hit both either way, so white tathulm isn't needed.

How so?

Sub SAM (15) + Aurum (7) + Brutal (1) + Rajas (5) = 28 sTP.

Wiki lists Cletine as 13% TP. (13)(.28) = 3.64 (Floors to 3.6). You'll receive 16.6 TP per hit. That is (.1) TP/Hit short of a 6-Hit build.

Now add WSs (Drakesbane assuming you WS using Aurum)

Skystrider: 20TP Return

The bonus 5TP becomes 6.4TP with Store TP gear. In total, you receive 46.2TP with both Jumps. Since you start with 20 TP after WS, you need 80TP to reach 100. Subtract 46.2TP and you see you'll need 33.8TP to reach 100TP. It takes a 3 Hits to reach that 33.8TP. However, if you get hit, that reduces to 2 Hits to reach 33.8TP.

Cletine: 19TP Return

Need 81TP. After both Jumps (33.2TP Total), you need 47.8TP. With a 16.6TP gain, you need 3Hits to reach that 47.8TP. However, unlike with Skystrider, the mob hitting you won't reduce that to 2hits.

Overall, Skystrider combo is the real 6-Hit Build while Cletine only reaches that if you get hit. After WSs, they even out, but if the Skystrider user uses two Jumps, and gets hit, he can obtain a pseudo-4Hit Build. The Cletine user cannot. If you want the 6-Hit build on Cletine, you have to consider the difference I posted earlier.

[Despain]

Smilodan Mantle +1 (STR +4) or Amemet Mantle +1 (ATK +15, STR+2)...

For Blade: Jin?

[Greatguardian]

HQ Smilo is +5, but most definitely Amemet +1 imo. Or, hell, Cuch if that's available at all.

[Fridell]

Smilo+1 if you farm or something on TW & Easy prey.
Amemet or Cuchlain's too good to not use for Jin.

And on topic of NIN:

Recently I started to wonder how Shusui/Perdu combo would do VS Senji/Perdu, considering 8/8 Katana in any meat situation.

[Shinryuu]

I finally beat ToAU missions and have a choice of rings to make. I am mainly a melee but I already own Raja's and Sniper+1 x2's. So my main concern is RNG, which would get Jalzahn's Ring. However again I already own Raja's Triumph and a behe+1. So my question is would I be better off Raja/(Behe+1 Triumph) or Raja/Jalzahn. I need the rajas for a 5 hit btw.

I guess I could always get Ulthalams for when I salvage.

Balrahn's for when you level any mage whatsoever, Ulthalam's is crap.

And Cletine sucks, use Thalasso.

[stewie]

Balrahn's for when you level any mage whatsoever, Ulthalam's is crap.

And Cletine sucks, use Thalasso.

Afaik, last testing showed Skystrider + Supremacy to be better than Thalasso.

[NeptuneRemora]

New to DRK outside of Zerging and questioning setup for merit parties on birds/mamools.

Currently using

Tredecim Scythe (Perdu When High Enough Rank)
Pole Grip
Fire Bomblet
Turban
Peacock Charm
Brutal Earring
Assault Earring
Haubergeon +1
Dusk Gloves
Rajas Ring
Sniper's Ring
Forager's Mantle
Swift Belt
Black Cuisses
Dusk Feet


Now for my question.

The DRK has Ridill, along with Capped Sword Merits for the zerging setup. Would a Axe/Sword work better then Tredecim Scythe, then Perdu? I ruled out Juggernaut because of the Base Damage, but perhaps Maneater?

And if Maneater, does the Hidden Accuracy on the axe when below 100% TP activate on second hand also, the Ridill?

Also if someone could offer suggestions for better legs outside of Homam, it'd be appreciated.

Thanks

[Shinryuu]

Axe/Sword sucks, Maneater's latent affects Ridill too, your set is fine if you're currently working on Homam. If you're not currently working on Homam, start working on Homam.

Small upgrades:

Abyssal or Hollow earring, Minuet when active
Cuchulain's mantle
Aurum cuisses or Askar Dirs
Aurum sabatons

But yeah, Homam, pants feet hands.

[mallister]

yes, DW is some serious fail for drk. santa clause kills baby seals every time you do it. please, stop the madness.

[GImpers]

Using this TP setup (http://www.ffxiah.com/members/?q=item_sets&set_id=33860), which would be better:

Neuvo Cosolete (10acc/2% DA) or Haub +1.

I was talking to a SAM in my LS last night and he told me I should get the ACP body. I'm not convinced.

[Killkenny]

Your friend is smoking crack if he thinks ACP body with acc and DA is better than haub (+1). Quickly disregard everything he has ever said to you because the only use sam will get from ACP body is with Acc/STP augments if they didn't have usukane feet, which you do so it doesn't apply.

Your setup seems fine at the moment, I'm sure you already know the obvious upgrades and are working towards them.

[Miraun]

Cletine/Assault vs. Skystrider/Supremacy for drg, assuming I can keep a 6-hit with cletine.

Yugl commented on it... but it won't be a 6 hit build with Cletine. The only way to retain a 6 hit build with Cletine is based on a couple factors:

If Using White Tathlum for the additional Store TP:
1) Not changing any Store TP gear when jumping. Unless offsetting stronger gear with Barone

If not using White Tathlum:
2) Dependancy on multi-hits of a WS

3) Never losing TP due to Feather Tickle, disease, or other factor.

[mdkuser]

Using this TP setup (http://www.ffxiah.com/members/?q=item_sets&set_id=33860), which would be better:

Neuvo Cosolete (10acc/2% DA) or Haub +1.

I was talking to a SAM in my LS last night and he told me I should get the ACP body. I'm not convinced.

no byakko's? drop askar head too, and farm barborossa's zereth >.> that nuevo corselette would blow too liek killkenni said.

[GImpers]

no byakko's? drop askar head too, and farm barborossa's zereth >.> that nuevo corselette would blow too liek killkenni said.

I'm aware I need Byakko's Haidate. That's not rocket science. I'm working on it.

What should I drop Askar head for? And, don't say Ace's Helm please.

[stewie]

I'm aware I need Byakko's Haidate. That's not rocket science. I'm working on it.

What should I drop Askar head for? And, don't say Ace's Helm please.

Turban.