Whats better?

[Amele]

if you're looking for an AH head piece then panther is it pretty much. it's not exactly a great piece but it's not bad.

[Rama]

Well dilemma: I don't have vsallet so that's out of the Q. I am currently using Epin as my only head piece on NIN (72 lol) and I was wondering if Panther Mask+1 was worth it for the 3 lvls since 72-75 is kind of long. (For me at least)

Find someone who does alot of ZNMs.
We're throwing away Hissho Hachimaki and have been for some time

edit: i'm slow.

[Tricen]

You on bismark ;/

[SamanosukeShiva]

DPS isn't a good measurement in this game, base damage fluctuations due to str/vit, att/def, monster level, etc make it a more fluid number than it's made out to be.

Hits > 100% Tp though, especially for 400+ Delay, is a big equalizer.

I would imagine full haste + tomoe would be pretty sick, though you forgot the double/triples in the time > 100% argument for Love.

Really, with a 6 hit Tomoe build, you should be laying down some ridiculous WSes, and as fun as Fort axe is, if I lost my 6 hit build, or worse went to an 8 hit, I'd barely use it.

Polearms with 480 delay can get 5-hit set up with max merits/proper gear

[Amele]

Polearms with 480 delay can get 5-hit set up with max merits/proper gear

you're giving up a ton of stuff to do it (well, ok not really I guess. but feet+hands) to hit 5 hit setup on a lower accuracy weapon doesn't sound like a particular deal to me.

you'll be losing out on 3% haste and.. what. 32? accuracy (16% hit rate) to get a 20% reduction in time between weaponskills. since every sam on the planet should have at least 15% haste by 75 this seems like it'd be a devil's bargain.

of course, there's enough different about it and you're gaining a piercing bonus on some mobs so it'd probably be worth parsing.

[dejet]

this has to of been asked 100 times.

for a sam.

Askar Zucchetto or 5% hat..

[ringthree]

you're giving up a ton of stuff to do it (well, ok not really I guess. but feet+hands) to hit 5 hit setup on a lower accuracy weapon doesn't sound like a particular deal to me.

you'll be losing out on 3% haste and.. what. 32? accuracy (16% hit rate) to get a 20% reduction in time between weaponskills. since every sam on the planet should have at least 15% haste by 75 this seems like it'd be a devil's bargain.

of course, there's enough different about it and you're gaining a piercing bonus on some mobs so it'd probably be worth parsing.

It's good for Colibri, thats about it. Haven't parsed it yet, but I doubt it would out do a normal well equipped SAM.

[Crizto]

Well dilemma: I don't have vsallet so that's out of the Q. I am currently using Epin as my only head piece on NIN (72 lol) and I was wondering if Panther Mask+1 was worth it for the 3 lvls since 72-75 is kind of long. (For me at least)

I say suck it up till W. Turban!

[Rasantath]

Yeah, like I would be able to get 10+ people to do an ohat run <_<. (Yes I realize that you can do with 6<, but I'd rather not be down there for an hour or two QQ)

find a handful of beastmasters to do it
4+ is good, add a couple of smn's to the mix too for a quicker kill. takes less than an hour with that setup.

[Amele]

this has to of been asked 100 times.

for a sam.

Askar Zucchetto or 5% hat..

I would wear the Zucchetto myself. 4str is +1 fstr; 4dex is +1.5% hit rate. individually either one wouldn't typically overcome 1% haste, but taken together they should in most situations.

I would generally rate this as the third best sam headwear for TP. (and possibly most stylish)

[Tan]

I would wear the Zucchetto myself. 4str is +1 fstr; 4dex is +1.5% hit rate. individually either one wouldn't typically overcome 1% haste, but taken together they should in most situations.

I would generally rate this as the third best sam headwear for TP. (and possibly most stylish)

First being Ace's, second being Usukane?

[Amele]

First being Ace's, second being Usukane?

yes.

[ringthree]

yes.

Hmmm, I don't know, it comes pretty close to Usukane if not passes it. Though, after Ace's, Askar, Usukane and even Walahra are all pretty close.

[Tan]

Hmmm, I don't know, it comes pretty close to Usukane if not passes it. Though, after Ace's, Askar, Usukane and even Walahra are all pretty close.

Yeah, but I think simply because of the higher ACC that Usukane would be a better choice unless you are going for a DEX/Crit build of some type, but that seems like a waste on SAM in my opinion atleast.

[Amele]

Hmmm, I don't know, it comes pretty close to Usukane if not passes it. Though, after Ace's, Askar, Usukane and even Walahra are all pretty close.

presupposing you actually have use for the 7accuracy, it isn't that close. (4acc is better than 1% haste and 1str in tp for the ranges of haste a sam is normally looking at.) if you've got 47%+ haste excluding head slot it's another story - but at that point w.turban is better than askar anyway, so it's something of a moot point.

in situations where you'd wear askar over w.turban, usukane somen will edge out askar.

in general though, you're right, askar and usukane are closer to each other than they are to w.turban and ace's - w.turban is clearly worse until 50% total haste, at which point the value of haste is effectively double and 1% becomes a bigger deal.

extra info: w.turban won't exceed ace's (assuming you can use the acc) until something like 74% total haste.. which isn't really obtainable on sam without SV marches.

[dejet]

id love to get an ace, but my linkshell even it has 75 people only like 20 do end game so its hard to get everyone on at once to camp anything(and we are not even a HNM linkshell) so it comes down to me starting my strive to get askar or the old ass thing that everyone has. yes they are close but i think as someone said the STR and 1.5crit might bring it over the edge, and also when doing math haste always looks better even tho theres a amount lost because of the small down time.(i think it is anyways) thanks for help guys^^

[Amele]

downtime applies evenly to most stats (when you're not swinging your weapon attack and accuracy don't matter either). there is a small amount of time lost when moving from mob to mob, but since haste affects your redraw time in the event you messed up aligning for th e next mob it has a benefit there too (that acc won't have) so I tend to consider it a wash.*

and it was 1.5% hit rate (3 acc) not 1.5% crit. I didn't bother to work out what 4 dex is in crit rate since it could be all over the place depending on each particular persons equipment, and could be anywhere from totally negligible (like 0.3% crit) to absolutely awesome (like 4%+)

*that it's virtually impossible to account for the exact effects of moving from mob to mob has alot to do with it too.

[Amastacia]

you're giving up a ton of stuff to do it (well, ok not really I guess. but feet+hands) to hit 5 hit setup on a lower accuracy weapon doesn't sound like a particular deal to me.

you'll be losing out on 3% haste and.. what. 32? accuracy (16% hit rate) to get a 20% reduction in time between weaponskills. since every sam on the planet should have at least 15% haste by 75 this seems like it'd be a devil's bargain.

of course, there's enough different about it and you're gaining a piercing bonus on some mobs so it'd probably be worth parsing.

Usukane feet? I know not everyone has them, but they're not that rare anymore.

You give up your hand slot and your A+ weapon for a 25% piercing bonus and one hit fewer to 100% TP.

I don't know much of anyone who uses Polearm seriously for anything other than lolibris, since it's only the piercing bonus on 100% of mobs (unless you're killing Wivres as well) that makes it worth using.

[Rama]

Usukane feet? I know not everyone has them, but they're not that rare anymore.

You give up your hand slot and your A+ weapon for a 25% piercing bonus and one hit fewer to 100% TP.

I don't know much of anyone who uses Polearm seriously for anything other than lolibris, since it's only the piercing bonus on 100% of mobs (unless you're killing Wivres as well) that makes it worth using.

Furthermore, with Usukane feet, Rajas, Brutal, 5/5 STP, any Penta thrust that lands 4+ hits including first hit (23.2+tp return) is 4-hits to 100. In this case, you can micro-manage your TP set. Swap into Dusk gloves for all penta 23tp and higher, and Hachiman kote for any under, or when starting from 0 (Feather Tickle).

I will admit this is a bit of an extreme to micro-manage, but it's valid.

[Amele]

Usukane feet? I know not everyone has them, but they're not that rare anymore.

You give up your hand slot and your A+ weapon for a 25% piercing bonus and one hit fewer to 100% TP.

I don't know much of anyone who uses Polearm seriously for anything other than lolibris, since it's only the piercing bonus on 100% of mobs (unless you're killing Wivres as well) that makes it worth using.

I assumed Usukane feet. the 3% haste is lost from wearing hachiman hands over dusk gloves(nq). I also assumed 8/8 polearm merits. (if I had ignored usu feet we'd still be talking 3% haste I suppose; so I can see how my previous comment was misleading)

25% piercing, 20% ws speed, and a higher damage weapon

vs.

32 accuracy, 37 attack, and 3% haste (+7.5% attack speed)


is going to come down to how much damage you're actually doing with the respective weapons (primarily via the piercing bonus) which is why I said I would reserve judgment until I saw a parse. By itself, the 5-hit to 100 isn't going to be worth switching weapon types. (looks like a case of violent agreement)

that said, I think the 'best' setup is going to use usukane body and ecphoria ring for the extra 7 store tp over rajas+usukane sune-ate+merits. since that preserves the haste and adds additional accuracy over haub+1 (although it does increase the attack loss, it's easier to make up ~6 more attack than it is to make up 3% haste)