Whats better?

[Max™]

Full Ares' only stands out in my head as a Guillotine/Penta/Jump macro set, the full set giving a boost to DA, big chunk of Str and Vit, and bunches and bunches of Acc/Att sounds ideal for jumps.

[Gunslinger]

I personally TP in Drachen +1 pants (since I too lack homam), and just use Aurum legs on WS macro. Sure you gain 4 str with Aurum pants, but no attack from that str since it has -4 attack... I guess it's up to you if you feel 2 acc is worth the 4 str for TP building. Just remember that the wyvern HP on Drachen +1 is pretty significant too, if you're not wearing them when start casting for healing breath the extra HP may not be calculated in your total breath strength (some people have problems with this depending on their lag and stuff... it's never been much of an issue for me though).

Dusk are actually a pretty nice WS piece for penta if you have the cash laying around. I owned a pair until recently but sold them to fund some other stuff and just wear Aurum for Penta / Wheeling.

You pretty much answered your own question on Ares feet, they're pretty nice. I could even see using them with penta depending on your available footware.

[Sanoske]

I plan on getting a pair of Hades Sainti for solo and possibly Salvage tanking. I have the money to spare, so it's not an issue. I am wondering if these will outparse Cross Counters for 70-72. I assume they will, but just wondering if anyone had any experience with them.

[Cream Soda]

They will. 1 less dmg, less delay, more acc+. Unless you're counter tanking with mnk/war and using the counters for damage, hades will outparse them.

[Khajit]

I plan on getting a pair of Hades Sainti for solo and possibly Salvage tanking. I have the money to spare, so it's not an issue. I am wondering if these will outparse Cross Counters for 70-72. I assume they will, but just wondering if anyone had any experience with them.

Everything i've heard about em suggest that they're at least equal to destroyers or quite close but they always complain about the +7 emnity as well at the same time. Take the opinins of people with 75 mnk over mine but if you dont mind the extra emnity then I would be confident in saying you'll find a use for em.

[Sanoske]

So would they be acceptable in exp? I'm not exactly sure how much extra hate I will get from that +7 enmity. Suppose it depends on tank/other DDs, but in an average party... will I totally throw off the balance?

[Max™]

Don't be afraid of the enmity, love it, for it is made of delicious chocolate candies.

I don't think I spent much time not counter-tanking after 45, especially after 50, but I voke compulsively when something turns towards anyone but me, or another dedicated tank.

[Cream Soda]

Chances are you're gonna pull hate w/ or w/o them depending on how well your mnk is geared. Shouldn't make a difference.

[Sanoske]

Chances are you're gonna pull hate w/ or w/o them depending on how well your mnk is geared. Shouldn't make a difference.

See, this is what I would think. The only things my MNK(65) is missing are Sniper's +1/Toreador's, and a Voyager Sallet. Everything else is HQ/best for slot. However... most of the parties I end up going to I have to /NIN because either a) the tank is horrible b) the mages are horrible c) both. And even /WAR I don't pull as much hate as I used to. I chalk it up to horrible WS compared to what other DDs have access to.

And I already know the answer, but Wagh or Hades in exp? Wagh is just so... meh. If Hades are on par I'll just use them to make myself feel better.

[Cream Soda]

I'd say waghs

[Sanoske]

That's what I was afraid of. -.-

[nervosa]

If this has already been asked,sorry didn't see it skimming over.

For weapon skills, full Ares's vs something else?
I currently use full Ares for the greater chance of a DA to happen.
I'm I selling myself short not use something else like heac, alkys etc. because I want a double attack?

[Ferien]

If this has already been asked,sorry didn't see it skimming over.

For weapon skills, full Ares's vs something else?
I currently use full Ares for the greater chance of a DA to happen.
I'm I selling myself short not use something else like heac, alkys etc. because I want a double attack?

What job are you on and what weaponskill are you using?

[Jakson]

SAM50
On WS:
Enky bracelets vs. Horomusha Kote

[Tan]

SAM50
On WS:
Enky bracelets vs. Horomusha Kote

We need like an anti-gigas bracelet picture or something for all these xxx bracelets vs whatever. Anything that provides a dramatic reduction in Dex for moderate gains in STR, is in most circumstances not worth using unless you are /thf. I would go with H.kotes or use something like Luisant Mufflers.

[nervosa]

If this has already been asked,sorry didn't see it skimming over.

For weapon skills, full Ares's vs something else?
I currently use full Ares for the greater chance of a DA to happen.
I'm I selling myself short not use something else like heac, alkys etc. because I want a double attack?

What job are you on and what weaponskill are you using?

Every job that can use it, all ws.

[Ruiner]

Every job that can use it, all ws.

Um, not all situations are the same. Single hit weapon skills vary greatly from multi-hit weapons skills, and modifiers also play an (albeit minor) part in the equation as well. Other factors include weapon skill in the job that's using it, food, things like DRG's accuracy bonus traits, etc. We need more info before passing judgment.

[Rama]

Wagh is just so... meh. If Hades are on par I'll just use them to make myself feel better.

I'd say waghs

That's what I was afraid of. -.-

I have never understood about this stigma behind Wagh bangers.

effectively, below 100tp and during weaponskill, you're comparing:
+2 acc +7 subtle blow +7 enmity +7 evasion
vs.
+15 attack.

(this negates +5acc from each weapon)

what would you rather be swinging for DoT?

Outside of being ugly, love your waghs, they are an excellent weapon to be swinging (as long as you're not camping out over 100tp often i.e. imps) until you obtain and unlock destroyers.

(P.S. I own Hades Sainti, and use them for tanking, but not out of concern for their DD stats)

[Tempestwolf]

Perdu Voulge


Vs.


Martial Bhuj

Endgame / Exp and general overall awesomness. If anyone has parses or can show a link to one that would be sweet, hearing a lot of opinions going either way on this something conclusive would be nice.

[Amele]

We need like an anti-gigas bracelet picture or something for all these xxx bracelets vs whatever. Anything that provides a dramatic reduction in Dex for moderate gains in STR, is in most circumstances not worth using unless you are /thf. I would go with H.kotes or use something like Luisant Mufflers.

it's not that simple. at that level it's probably worth more - a, say, +3 overall (Fstr + wsc) when your W+FSTR+WSC is maybe 60 is going to be a dps boost on ws of about ~5%. the -4 Dex will reduce your accuracy by about 1.5%.

the hkotes are worth considering (15 attack will probably add about +0.09 cRatio which could exceed the net ~4% and change depending on current cRatio) but luisant mouffles are just a silly choice comparatively.

at high level it's different because your base W+FSTR+WSC is much much larger, so additional str makes less of a boost than it used to and there are better pieces for keeping both good str and good accuracy in the slot.