Whats better?

[Wulfgang]

Askar Manopolas vs. NQ Dusk, assume accuracy isn't capped and gear haste of ~14% but 2x March and Haste spell.

[Cream Soda]

Here's a question I've been wondering, regarding Monk and DRK

I know it's very difficult to beat the +6% Crit hit rate of destroyers, but in looking at Acantha shavers, when paired with the earring:

+18 DMG, 48 delay, Crit hit rate +6%
versus
+18 DMG, 51 Delay, Store TP 1
+6 STR, +6 Attack (when paired with the Supremacy Earring)

Will destroyers pretty much trounce these in any given situation?

Additionally, going along with the same set:

Moliones Sickle + Ring:
95 Base DMG, 501 Delay, +7 STR, +5 Accuracy, enhances Souleater effect (Sickle is +3 STR, Ring is +4 and adds +5 accuracy when paired with the ring)
versus

Vendetta
97 Base DMG, 528 Delay, +6 STR, +6 Attack (the latter two stats being the earring bonus)

Using the Vendetta would require me to give up one earring slot (I use Ethereal). Using the Sickle requires me to give up a ring slot, where I normally put Sniper's +1.

And the final question:

Full Usukane Monks, have you found the damage you give up from extra kick damage to be worth the extra 2% haste in the long run?

Any help is appreciated. Also thanks to Samanosuke for bring up the Samurai question in regards to full Usukane. I'd been wondering that myself. . though since I sold my dusk (had Homam for THF and DRK Askar's good enough for how rarely I use my WAR) it's actually a slight gain for me there.

Destroyers, hands down, every time. Even if it was str 6 attack+6 stp+1, 6% crits would win easily, but its not even that, because you have that 6 attack anyways when using destroyers, provided you're using a Merman's Earring with insetead of the Supremacy Earring.

I don't have full usu, but I'll tell you now Usukane Sune-Ate alone are worth giving up dune boots for. I was skeptical at first, but have never looked back since the first time I tried my Sune-Ate.

[Gustave]

I just hit lvl 70 war and I've been thinking about merits. I was gonna go with the 5/5 berserk/aggre for ridill. I already have a few str merits for my drk but I was thinking how would 5 Dex merits work out for ME/Ridill or Rid/joy? In comparison to 5 Str?

[solsovly]

Askar Manopolas vs. NQ Dusk, assume accuracy isn't capped and gear haste of ~14% but 2x March and Haste spell.

answered earlier in the thread.

1% haste will improve your hits/sec by 1.15%, 1.41%, 1.67%, 1.96% depending on magic haste (none, Haste, Haste+V, Haste+V+A).
5 DEX -> 3-4 acc. If 3 acc will just bring you to capped acc, it increases your hits/sec by 1.60%. 4 acc, 2.15%. If your base acc is lower, it will be more of an improvement.

So, Askar unless your acc is capped or you have capped magic haste.

[Wulfgang]

Perfect Sol, apologies.

[SamanosukeShiva]

Destroyers, hands down, every time. Even if it was str 6 attack+6 stp+1, 6% crits would win easily, but its not even that, because you have that 6 attack anyways when using destroyers, provided you're using a Merman's Earring with insetead of the Supremacy Earring.

I don't have full usu, but I'll tell you now Usukane Sune-Ate alone are worth giving up dune boots for. I was skeptical at first, but have never looked back since the first time I tried my Sune-Ate.

this, I've never liked dune boots anyway even before i got my sune-ate

[Amele]

A reasonable interpretation of the test could also be 25 50 25, and just seems more logical.

ranger test
searain's test

I don't see how you get 25 50 25 out of either of those tests; excepting that you just prefer the look of a normal curve. (it's not more logical; it's quite illogical - because both basic tests show a Single attack rate at several percentage points higher than 25)

both testers threw out final kill shot hits.

[Amele]

sol, it's a good post you copied but it neglected other gear haste.

at 14% gear haste + march x2 (20%) + haste (15%) for a total of 49% haste, 1% haste will give ~2% dps.

so they're probably just about equivalent. (depending on specific dex and how close to cap you are) for 3 acc to be 2% dps you'll need a base acc of 75% or less. 4 acc will always be >2%.

for you to get 4 acc out of askar, your dex excluding askar must be a multiple of 4, +1.

[Brill Weave]

Ok need some Samurai gear advice. Money is very limited, so nothing spectacular. PS2 user so I'll just type out my gear setup for TP and WS. Any advice is welcome. I'm also a part time player so I still haven't gotten my rng for CoP yet. Yeah yeah I know finish CoP!

TP
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Body: Haubergeon
Hands: Ochimusha Kote
Waist: Life Belt
Legs: Shinimusha Haidate
Feet: Sarutobi Kyahan(I can also swap these out for Saotome Sune-Ate)
Back: Amemet Mantle(Yes I know, get +1.)
Earring: Brutal Earring
Earring: Spike Earring
Ring: Woodsman Ring
Ring: Woodsman Ring
Weapon: Hagun(The Hagun kind of broke the bank for me hence not much money left.)
Grip: Pole Grip(When /War) Platinum Grip(When /Nin, mostly for Campaign)

WS
Head: Fourth Haube
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Body: Haubergeon
Hands: Pallas's Bracelet
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Fourth Schoss
Feet: Rutter Sabatons
Back: Amemet Mantle
Earring: Fowling Earring
Earring: Spike Earring
Ring: Ruby Ring
Ring: Ruby Ring

Now before you feel like eviscerating me, remember I'm broke as a fucking joke. So hit me, aside from the obvious things like CoP ring what else can I upgrade?

[Valyana]

Swift Belt, use Brutal/Fowling earrings for TP, and leave Brutal on for WS.

No sky LS, I take it?

[Wolfknight]

Ok need some Samurai gear advice. Money is very limited, so nothing spectacular. PS2 user so I'll just type out my gear setup for TP and WS. Any advice is welcome. I'm also a part time player so I still haven't gotten my rng for CoP yet. Yeah yeah I know finish CoP!

TP
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Body: Haubergeon
Hands: Ochimusha Kote
Waist: Life Belt
Legs: Shinimusha Haidate
Feet: Sarutobi Kyahan(I can also swap these out for Saotome Sune-Ate)
Back: Amemet Mantle(Yes I know, get +1.)
Earring: Brutal Earring
Earring: Spike Earring
Ring: Woodsman Ring
Ring: Woodsman Ring
Weapon: Hagun(The Hagun kind of broke the bank for me hence not much money left.)
Grip: Pole Grip(When /War) Platinum Grip(When /Nin, mostly for Campaign)

WS
Head: Fourth Haube
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Body: Haubergeon
Hands: Pallas's Bracelet
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Fourth Schoss
Feet: Rutter Sabatons
Back: Amemet Mantle
Earring: Fowling Earring
Earring: Spike Earring
Ring: Ruby Ring
Ring: Ruby Ring

Now before you feel like eviscerating me, remember I'm broke as a fucking joke. So hit me, aside from the obvious things like CoP ring what else can I upgrade?

first of all use fowling + brutal full time it's best for ws and tp, and also consider hachiman feet full time so you get 6-hit if u have store tp merited, if not there no reason to tp Shinimusha Haidate use something else for legs like askar, dusk, shura, or etc., also trying for a swift belt might be good, and dusk gloves.

[Amele]

first of all use fowling + brutal full time it's best for ws and tp, and also consider hachiman feet full time so you get 6-hit if u have store tp merited, if not there no reason to tp Shinimusha Haidate use something else for legs like askar, dusk, shura, or etc., also trying for a swift belt might be good, and dusk gloves.

he'd be better served by using hachiman hands full time; but he needs a rajas ring to have 6-hit with tp merits. otherwise he'll need both pieces (hands and feet) which; given he doesn't have dusk is probably worth it.

[Brill Weave]

Sorry couldn't respond as it picked up at work. I was a career Paladin in the oldest HNMLS on my server. As such everything I ever spent my points on was Paladin based. I cannot stand doing missions for any of the storylines, hence why no Raja's ring yet(friend is actually doing the missions lol I'm pathetic.) After I left there I took a fairly long break from the HNMLS scene to recharge. I recently joined a smaller less king oriented linkshell with some very good friends of mine. We do Sky/Sea/Limbus/Einherjar/Salvage/etc.

So Samurai was kind of an afterthought for me. Now that I've actually sunk some merits into it(have 3 in Store TP so far, unlocked Overwhelm, and put 2 merits in GKT) I'm having a lot of fun running around as Sam instead of Pld. The Hagun pretty much took about all the gil I had, I literally have 112k left.

So I guess my question is kind of more relevant to what R/EX stuff should I be aiming for? I've never really had to sit down and look before.

[Amele]

So I guess my question is kind of more relevant to what R/EX stuff should I be aiming for? I've never really had to sit down and look before.

well, besides the obvious rajas; bushinomimi; Justice Torque; Byakko's Haidate; various askar pieces (notably head, hands, body) although body is situational for low evasion mobs; swift belt; ace's helm; snow gorget; uthalam's ring

should get you started.

[Hyriu]

Shura Haidate/Head, Usukane set ect

[Amele]

Shura Haidate/Head, Usukane set ect

^ aren't free, which is why I skipped them. that said; yes, shura haidate, shura zunari kabuto, and the usukane set are good for sam. (so are several pieces from znm that I didn't list because they aren't ex.)

[Brill Weave]

Yup. Gonna take a while for all those >.> It wouldn't be so bad if I played as much as I did when I first started. But now I only log on for events and maybe a day or two during the week to do some Campaign. Thanks for the input, it at least gives me something to shoot for.

[ringthree]

ranger test
searain's test

I don't see how you get 25 50 25 out of either of those tests; excepting that you just prefer the look of a normal curve. (it's not more logical; it's quite illogical - because both basic tests show a Single attack rate at several percentage points higher than 25)

both testers threw out final kill shot hits.

"27% single attacks, 53% double attacks, 20% triple attacks."

That could easily be interpreted either way, and be in the margin of error for both tests. I definitely wouldn't call it illogical to look for a more standard pattern in a random occurrence like that. In fact 25/50/25 would be more reasonable and logical and could be taken to be true from both of the tests. I am not say that 30/50/20 is false, just that there are other possible interpretations.

[Amele]

"27% single attacks, 53% double attacks, 20% triple attacks."

That could easily be interpreted either way, and be in the margin of error for both tests. I definitely wouldn't call it illogical to look for a more standard pattern in a random occurrence like that. In fact 25/50/25 would be more reasonable and logical and could be taken to be true from both of the tests. I am not say that 30/50/20 is false, just that there are other possible interpretations.

show me a test anywhere that has less than 25.1% with 0% DA and then we'll talk.

if it's -really- 25% then there should be a short test (say, 500 to 1000 swings) that fits this.

I don't see how 30 50 20 isn't a standard pattern. half doubles, more singles than triples by a 50% margin.

you're focusing too much on the single rate anyway; in 1000 swings being off by 20% on the triple rate is pretty unlikely (I don't feel like running the numbers, but you're welcome to).

[Maguile]

1. STR+2 sachet or bomb core for drk ws? Does fire bomblet trump both?
2. Ideal grip for drk? I use mythril+1, thinking about switching to pole though. Im drk/sam that has yet to get a brutal ;_;