Whats better?

[Isiolia]

However, since the damage mitigated by shield procs is directly dependent on both the Size of a shield, and the Defense of the shield, Wivre starts to lose points when you're straight tanking mobs that are going to be hitting you a lot (things like Byakko, or Kim, with high DA/TA rates).

I was under the impression that the shield size was the only real factor there.

Oh, almost forgot, use Koenig /War cuz CHR helps voke.

Don't recall that ever being substantiated...


I'm not a PLD (yet, next job, been researching), and was pretty much just planning on Wivre Shield from 58 on...
The impression I've gotten is that Koenig is a bit better for blood tanking simply due to DEF/VIT and potentially for the Killer effect.

[Callisto]

For 37 THF - /WAR versus /NIN?

The pulling argument is null as nothing you typically fight in this range has movement speed and anyone who can't avoid getting hit while using a Crossbow from 25.0 is fail. Also, until 50, there is no DW bonus. I feel like I always see /NIN at this level and it just doesn't make sense to me.

Leaning towards WAR, but open to counter-suggestions.

I'm leveling THF in the same range(just hit 42) and have gone with /WAR, and plan to until 50. It's been really nice so far, the only downside was my first time out to the Citadel I forgot that I couldn't use my /NIN sneaky meds and had to go back to town for oils & powders. Being able to use Strike Shield and then Viking Shield are kind of nice boosts when you aren't really getting anything out of DW.

Don't recall that ever being substantiated...

I believe that was a joke, lol. I do like Koenig all around, it's a good mix, high defense and solid enmity, looks cool, and while it seems minor I've seen some really clutch Beast Killer procs at times for other PLDs against things like Kirin/Cerb.

[Isiolia]

I believe that was a joke, lol. I do like Koenig all around, it's a good mix, high defense and solid enmity, looks cool, and while it seems minor I've seen some really clutch Beast Killer procs at times for other PLDs against things like Kirin/Cerb.

Hopefully >_>

[Xerlic]

Forager vs. Cuchulain's as WAR/NIN using Man/Rid in these 3 situations:

1. vs. Mage Mamool
2. vs. BST/BLU/DRG Mamool
3. vs. NIN/THF Mamool

TP:

Weapon: Man/Rid
Ammo: Bomblet
Head: Askar
Neck: PCC
Ears: Suppa/Assault
Body: Adaman
Hands: Dusk
Rings: Sniper +1 x2
Waist: Swift
Legs: Byakko's
Feet: Aurum

For Rampage, I use Nhead/Hands/Feet and WAR stone. For high eva mobs when aggressor is down, I use Optical and keep Aurum Feet and soon to be Ares Hands once I get the 25.

[Max™]

Wouldn't you still use Brutal for Man/Rid? It can proc on WS, it can proc on main hand, and I thought it was shown to still increase or not effect the average hits on the sword. You'd need ancient torque/rajas/iota/askar hands and shit to get a high enough dex build for full crit city on anything above mage mools.

I'd assume you were eating sushi, or getting madrigals, so you'd probably get more from the Attack, unless you were trying to push a meat build, then Cuch might actually be enough acc to help make a difference.

[Generic "Or you could just use a great axe and sub /Dnc at Faf and shit" comment here.]

[Greatguardian]

I was under the impression that the shield size was the only real factor there.

No, both shield size and the Defense of the shield itself will determine how much damage is mitigated by a shield proc. I'd have to dig around for a link to threads where it's been researched and discussed, but I'll give it a shot if you want. The difference is also quite striking when using shields of identical size and very different Def values. Try throwing on a Kite Shield (Def:8, Size 3) and adding 14 def to your other gear, and recording all the values for damage taken during shield proc from something that you won't have capped defense against, like a lesser colibri. Then take a Koenig (Def:22, Size 3), remove that extra 14 def so your overall def is the same, and record the shield proc damage. You'll notice a substantial difference.

Don't recall that ever being substantiated...


I'm not a PLD (yet, next job, been researching), and was pretty much just planning on Wivre Shield from 58 on...
The impression I've gotten is that Koenig is a bit better for blood tanking simply due to DEF/VIT and potentially for the Killer effect.

Yes, the CHR line was a joke <_<. And the killer effect comes in handy on occasion, on a few mobs, but it's nothing to rely on.

[Xerlic]

Wouldn't you still use Brutal for Man/Rid? It can proc on WS, it can proc on main hand, and I thought it was shown to still increase or not effect the average hits on the sword. You'd need ancient torque/rajas/iota/askar hands and shit to get a high enough dex build for full crit city on anything above mage mools.

Oops, yea I forgot to mention I swap in Brutal for WS. You got any links to conclusive tests about Brutal with multi-hit weapons? From what I read, I understood that assault was better with Ridill.

I'm a BLM+RDM main, so there's no way I'm getting Rajas. :/

I'd assume you were eating sushi, or getting madrigals, so you'd probably get more from the Attack, unless you were trying to push a meat build, then Cuch might actually be enough acc to help make a difference.

Yea, food is important haha. I eat coeurl subs hence why I swap in all the acc gear when aggressor is down. I only use sushi for stuff like Kirin.

[Generic "Or you could just use a great axe and sub /Dnc at Faf and shit" comment here.]

Yea yea yea.

[Kaelia]

Forgive me if this has already been asked; I did a thread search and couldn't find it, but maybe I'm just a ditz. Seems like something that would have been asked a million times though. :\

For WAR/NIN Axe/Axe, Walahra Turban or Askar Zucchetto? I use Zucchetto for G.Axe, but was toying with the idea that maybe the extra haste might be a better boost for Axe/Axe?

My gear is here (http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=37534) if that matters.

[Wolfknight]

Forgive me if this has already been asked; I did a thread search and couldn't find it, but maybe I'm just a ditz. Seems like something that would have been asked a million times though. :\

For WAR/NIN Axe/Axe, Walahra Turban or Askar Zucchetto? I use Zucchetto for G.Axe, but was toying with the idea that maybe the extra haste might be a better boost for Axe/Axe?

My gear is here (http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=37534) if that matters.

if sushi I'd say turban otherwise askar.

[Greatguardian]

For Mnk75, Denali Bonnet or Walahra Turban? (Def:21, AGI+4, MND+4, Attack+3, Eva+3, Haste+4% vs HP+30, MP+30, Haste+5%)

Applicable merits include 8/8 h2h, 4/4 crit, 5/5 str, etc

Haven't been able to afford okotes back since being hacked (I'm like 0/35+ on the R/EX ones), and haven't uncursed togi due to gil being reset to 0, so my Mnk generally suffers from a loss of attack. I typically eat Meat at all merit camps and still parse around 80-85% acc depending on what we're fighting (Thf and Nin mamools tend to skew this a bit). I believe my base attack w/o food etc is a mere 375 atm. Getting those two pieces done would boost it +40, but will be a bit.

EDIT: As long as I'm asking, same question but for NIN75 with the same crit/str merits, but 0/8 KTN, with Dusk gloves, Hauby, acc rings, P belt, Ame+1, Haidates, Suppa, etc etc

[Cream Soda]

For Mnk75, Denali Bonnet or Walahra Turban? (Def:21, AGI+4, MND+4, Attack+3, Eva+3, Haste+4% vs HP+30, MP+30, Haste+5%)

Applicable merits include 8/8 h2h, 4/4 crit, 5/5 str, etc

Haven't been able to afford okotes back since being hacked (I'm like 0/35+ on the R/EX ones), and haven't uncursed togi due to gil being reset to 0, so my Mnk generally suffers from a loss of attack. I typically eat Meat at all merit camps and still parse around 80-85% acc depending on what we're fighting (Thf and Nin mamools tend to skew this a bit). I believe my base attack w/o food etc is a mere 375 atm. Getting those two pieces done would boost it +40, but will be a bit.

EDIT: As long as I'm asking, same question but for NIN75 with the same crit/str merits, but 0/8 KTN, with Dusk gloves, Hauby, acc rings, P belt, Ame+1, Haidates, Suppa, etc etc

Denali vs Turban? Its pretty simple. 1 haste vs 3 attack. Just ask yourself, "Would I rather use a hat with attack+15 or 5% haste". If you choose the attack+15 go denali or if you pick the 5% haste, go turban. Aka use turban.

I only have 37 nin so I can't help you there.

[*solidzeke*]

sorry if I missed it.

Askar body vs. Hauby +1

go!

[Cream Soda]

Haub+1, use Dusk Gloves(+1) and Usu shoes for your 6hit

[Kimkytaru]

For Mnk75, Denali Bonnet or Walahra Turban? (Def:21, AGI+4, MND+4, Attack+3, Eva+3, Haste+4% vs HP+30, MP+30, Haste+5%)

Applicable merits include 8/8 h2h, 4/4 crit, 5/5 str, etc

Haven't been able to afford okotes back since being hacked (I'm like 0/35+ on the R/EX ones), and haven't uncursed togi due to gil being reset to 0, so my Mnk generally suffers from a loss of attack. I typically eat Meat at all merit camps and still parse around 80-85% acc depending on what we're fighting (Thf and Nin mamools tend to skew this a bit). I believe my base attack w/o food etc is a mere 375 atm. Getting those two pieces done would boost it +40, but will be a bit.

Umm questinon about Denali VS turban, from what I understood that 1% haste will not matter until you're maybe at like 50% haste (equip + spell) after that, that 1% haste increased might surpass any other stat. Dont forget that haste becomes better and better the more you have. I would personnaly wear denali head I think but I dont have it and dont plan on getting it soon, so can't really say.

[Cream Soda]

Umm questinon about Denali VS turban, from what I understood that 1% haste will not matter until you're maybe at like 50% haste (equip + spell) after that, that 1% haste increased might surpass any other stat.

No, just no.
If that "any other stat." happened to be a couple points accuracy, dex, or something, then yes, you'd have a point here. But we're talking about 3 attack. Stick with turban.

[Max™]

Time to use Denali: when you are sick to death of Turban and wanna pretend you're Geronimo.

[ringthree]

Umm questinon about Denali VS turban, from what I understood that 1% haste will not matter until you're maybe at like 50% haste (equip + spell) after that, that 1% haste increased might surpass any other stat. Dont forget that haste becomes better and better the more you have. I would personnaly wear denali head I think but I dont have it and dont plan on getting it soon, so can't really say.

That presumes a difference of more than 3 Attack when it comes to damage.

[ringthree]

sorry if I missed it.

Askar body vs. Hauby +1

go!

This is highly dependent on job and equipment.

[Amele]

This is highly dependent on job and equipment.

Merry Christmas.

you were nicer than I could've been at this point (which is why I didn't respond)

here's the basics for people who aren't sure about it.

pound for pound, melee stats are equivalent in about these ways (note to real theorists; this is a really rough estimate guide so fewer 'obvious questions' are asked, not meant to be exhaustive) at level 75. excluding haste.

1 EP = 1% TA = 2% DA = 4 acc = 6 attack = 6 str = 6 dex(tp mode only)


store TP and haste are harder; so here's an easier rule for haste: 1 haste is about as good as 2 acc if you aren't getting much haste; if you have merit party haste levels, it's about as good as 3 acc. if you have dark knight zerg haste levels it's worth 6+ acc until the 80% cap(the very last point of haste from 79-80 is worth 9acc), then it's worth nothing at all.

if the differences between two pieces of gear are obvious using these equivalences (see: askar: 2% DA 5str and 12 attack is worth not quite 3 points above; versus haub+1 which is worth about 3 points just on accuracy alone...) then you probably don't need to ask about it unless you're -sure- you're in a corner case (i.e. you've got two madrigals or something.)

[ringthree]

Ok, so I finally am about to complete my Usukane Haramaki which will complete my set. I have middle of the road SAM gear meaning I do not have Ace's Helm or Askar head and I only have a Swift Belt. Assuming I go full Usukane, should I go Pole Grip or Sword Strap (I am pretty sure that with full Usukane I can use Sword Strap, but I haven't double checked the Store TP calculation)?

Also, as a random question, why do people blank out their gil in screenshots? LOL