Vrtra HP

[Kilik]

Anyone know how much HP Vrtra (regular, not B2 summon) has? The only mention of it I could find is on the Apathy zerg thread where the number 70k is mentioned.

[Naramaska]

Around 85-90k i'd wager.

Wyrm HP is a lot lower than I had originally expected after parsing it a few times.

[malak]

I don't even think it's that much. It's much less than Tiamat or Jormy.

[Seditedi]

The auto-regen is a little bit higher than that of Tiamat or Jorm I believe, but not sure about the total HP.

[Naramaska]

I don't even think it's that much. It's much less than Tiamat or Jormy.

I don't quite know if that's necessarily true--the SMN are able to BP a lot more often because of the lack of flight timers, so that would speed up the kills somewhat I imagine. When you consider you "skip" BP's sometimes, and a good kill is around 40-45 minutes for her with 6x SMN and a likewise Tiamat kill would be around 30-40 minutes, it sounds about equal.

Of course, we havn't actually killed her with any melee (SAM, BLU, etc. WS'ing), so if the HP taken off by a SAM is proportionally higher, then you'd be right.

[Sonomaa]

the fight against vrtra is not really a fight against a wyrm, its a fight againsts controlling the pops in the room and the summons from the dragon itself. Take away those two factors and its technically the easiest of the three as far as I see it.

[Khamsin]

I don't even think it's that much. It's much less than Tiamat or Jormy.

I don't quite know if that's necessarily true--the SMN are able to BP a lot more often because of the lack of flight timers, so that would speed up the kills somewhat I imagine.

Vrtra doesn't fly, but when you're kiting her, it does the same thing. Instead of cycling between being on the ground and off the ground, she's cycling between being near you and being away from you. In the case of Tiamat, there's a fair amount of ground time in comparison to the flight time. In the case of Vrtra, she's away from you 5x as often as she's next to you. She's only near you for maybe 10 seconds, but away from you for 50 seconds. So it's roughly the equivalent of a wyrm that is on the ground for a minute but flies for five.

[Sidanoir]

the fight against vrtra is not really a fight against a wyrm, its a fight againsts controlling the pops in the room and the summons from the dragon itself. Take away those two factors and its technically the easiest of the three as far as I see it.

The battle is the pops for sure but........
I think if you straight tanked Vrtra without pops Vrtra would be harder than Jorm or Tia...she hits pretty hard, has lots of shadow stripping moves and the strongest wing by far.

Not to mention a lot of hate reset when fighting her and you can't sleep to recover ( I KNOW GOD FORBID) ...

And as far as HP Vrtra is pretty much impossible to parse when kiting but from what I have seen I would wager at least 100k....

Fafnir has 60k for christ sakes >.>

NQ Behemoth has 50k <.<

[Kaylia]

And as far as HP Vrtra is pretty much impossible to parse when kiting but from what I have seen I would wager at least 100k....

Krakken zerg would pretty much give you the exact hp.

[Franchise]

My ls tanks it straight up, So when you get a charm, followed by a roar or terror shit can hit the fan pretty fast. Even without the summons/room pops its not easier than Jorm or Tiamat.

[Kilik]

And as far as HP Vrtra is pretty much impossible to parse when kiting but from what I have seen I would wager at least 100k....

Krakken zerg would pretty much give you the exact hp.

Thats what we tried last night kay lol. We had 9 DRKs total (4 FS, 5 Atariii). 4 clubs, 4 ridill, 1 merc kris.

We start fighting, it Roars me right away so I lost my souleater lol. Then it Charmed Ocean and Ocean killed 11ppl haha, damn poison pots back fired. We got it to about 58% in 30s ish even with that happening, but the parse got messed up since it counted Ocean's dmg against other ppl while charmed and later my dmg on other ppl when I got charmed.

[Kaylia]

Yeah, I heard that haha. Do you have chatlog screenshot of Ocean raping the alliance with krakken.

[Sidanoir]

My ls tanks it straight up, So when you get a charm, followed by a roar or terror shit can hit the fan pretty fast. Even without the summons/room pops its not easier than Jorm or Tiamat.

How many people do you try that with out of curiosity?

[Max™]

Yeah, I heard that haha. Do you have chatlog screenshot of Ocean raping the alliance with krakken.

I would like to second this, sounds like one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

Kinda like a low man Om'Yovra my Limbus group was doing, Taru BLM hits 1300ish nuke, everyone gets charmed, it's night time, and we have marchX1 and Haste on a haste geared elvaan Ninja.

Who promptly runs over and hacks the Taru to death, then says "Hee hee, I keel for fun."

[LakshmiToralyn]

Kilik

Curious of the setup/strat you guys used on this as well.. Did you have a PLD try to Invincible at start to hold hate off DRKS as long possible? How many CSS stun? Am i Right to assuem u had 3 kraken clubs 1 octave club? Did you land any Feint's on it?

[Septimus]

the fight against vrtra is not really a fight against a wyrm, its a fight againsts controlling the pops in the room and the summons from the dragon itself. Take away those two factors and its technically the easiest of the three as far as I see it.

The battle is the pops for sure but........
I think if you straight tanked Vrtra without pops Vrtra would be harder than Jorm or Tia...she hits pretty hard, has lots of shadow stripping moves and the strongest wing by far.

Not to mention a lot of hate reset when fighting her and you can't sleep to recover ( I KNOW GOD FORBID) ...

And as far as HP Vrtra is pretty much impossible to parse when kiting but from what I have seen I would wager at least 100k....

Fafnir has 60k for christ sakes >.>

NQ Behemoth has 50k <.<

Vrtra is fairly easy to enfeeble. (Says the RDM with loads of gear.) From our earlier experiences it seemed that Slow, Paralyze, and Silence stick with few resists, unlike Tiamat, Jorm, and Ouryu. Without the adds and on a solid floor Vrtra would just be Nidhogg +1 as opposed to a CoP wyrm.

[Cail]

damn it, i forgot to take an SS of Ocean straight raping our ally...

idk what happened, as i was there to help cure, but it got a wing off real early, so some people got slept in the cure ally i think. Then charm got off and the DRK Ocean just obliterated us. Took out 11 people before charm wore. Also got a breath off, which i was retarded and stood in front and took 1600 dmg lol...

[Kilik]

Kilik

Curious of the setup/strat you guys used on this as well.. Did you have a PLD try to Invincible at start to hold hate off DRKS as long possible? How many CSS stun? Am i Right to assuem u had 3 kraken clubs 1 octave club? Did you land any Feint's on it?

Yea 3 kraken, 1 octave. Yes had feint. No we didnt put a PLD on it but that was one of the ideas for next time seeing as how it would have helped lol.

[Franchise]

Usually around 20-22 people