Kraken Club Ranger

[Jkun]

Forgive me if this is in the wrong section, feel free to move it!

I recently obtained a Kraken Club for my 75 DRK, however my RNG has ben staticing with my girlfriend for quite some time now, and I finally hit 63.

I'm hoping to hit 75 really soon, and was wondering which setup would work best for Kraken Club RNG in terms or weapons/gear, and any advice that would help will be greaty appreciated.

Notable gear I curently have is:

P.Body
P.Legs
S.Bow
Faith Torque
Rajas Ring
O.Hat
Full RNG AF, Materials for one piece of AF+1 ready.

Where S.Bow does more damage now, at 75 will OBow/Hellfire/Culverin do more? In terms of TPing in Kraken and pumping out Slug Shots, I mean.

Thanks for your input!

[Meat]

Gun all the way, hf+1 or culvy (+1)
Standard melee haste setup, dusk\turban\hidatte. Melee acc in places you cant get haste.

[RKenshin]

Basically what Residue said, go for as much melee haste/acc as you can in the available slots. Then, I'd also recommend sticking to gun if you can. But more because of the fact that you can get in the sweet spot by taking just a few steps back, and save a good bit of time/effort to add a lot of damage.

At 75, for Kraken club RNG my gear is basically as follows:

Main: Club
Sub: (nothing really worthwhile available to my knowledge)
Ranged: Culv+1 or Hellfire+1
Head: Walahra
Neck: Peacock
Ear1: Minuet
Ear2: (see: Sub Weapon)
Body: Osode
Hand: Dusk
Ring1: Mars
Ring2: Sniper+1
Back: (see: Sub Weapon)
Waist: Speed
Leg: Byakko's
Feet: Dusk+1

That's usually the base set of gear I use, and then on mobs where their evasion is a little higher than normal I'll add on some more accuracy by changing to optical hat/life belt/etc.

[Jkun]

Sounds fantastic, thanks a lot already guys.

[Shuvo]

Mmm I heard a rumour that KC RNG can outparse Ridill War on colibri - is this is true?

[tea]

does ridill work the same way? i retired my RNG way back, and have have been playing WAR/BRD full time.
now that i've got a ridill, i'm thinking about bringing RNG back for some merits. is ridill even that amazing for RNG? share some experiences, please (yes, i know i could test for myself, but not in the mood to shell out millions and 20+ inv. spaces for it)

[Meat]

Diabolos's and Hollow are good 2nd earing option

[Quixotic]

Mmm I heard a rumour that KC RNG can outparse Ridill War on colibri - is this is true?

Last time I merited on RNG (to get buffer) was on colibri as RNG/WAR with ridill (I don't have a kraken). I outparsed the ridill war in the party by a decent amount, but the parse is very skewed considering that if I ever did anything to pull hate, the mob would just die anyways, or would be close to dying (A zerked sidewinder would take a colibri from 40-50% to zero pretty easily). So I never got my food stolen or tp stolen, while the wars and other melees were getting jacked all the time. This was also using attack food and one bard; if I remember right I looked at my melee acc and was pretty disgusted (quite low, like around 67-70% melee acc) but my melee gear set is not perfect.

[RKenshin]

Mmm I heard a rumour that KC RNG can outparse Ridill War on colibri - is this is true?

I think the playing ground for both jobs in the same situation tends to be pretty even as far as damage output goes. I've personally outdamaged other well-equiped WARs MNKs as RNG, with and without using the kraken RNG setup. Then I've also outdamaged decked out MNK/WARs and such with kraken RNG.

But you also have to consider the WAR/MNKs are losing TP to feather tickle, getting their food eaten, and often have to shadow tank. So it's not really a fair comparison, which is why I feel it's not really the best place of reference. But However I have little to no doubt a decked out kraken RNG couldn't at least keep up with an equally equiped/merited WAR or MNK at most camps.

does ridill work the same way? i retired my RNG way back, and have have been playing WAR/BRD full time.
now that i've got a ridill, i'm thinking about bringing RNG back for some merits. is ridill even that amazing for RNG? share some experiences, please (yes, i know i could test for myself, but not in the mood to shell out millions and 20+ inv. spaces for it)

It works, but it's not comparable to a kraken build. I'm honestly not even sure if it'd beat shooting as far as damage potential goes as I've never tried it, but I think if I had to guess I'd say probably not. But again I haven't tried it, so it's hard to say for sure.

[Beckwin]

KC rng does win on Colibri. You can't really compete with a 2k ws every fight in a 3 DD party, much less a 4 DD party. You can afford the horrible melee acc there too- you'll still tp fast enough to get the one slug per fight.

I guess if you only have 1 brd and the songs are mad/march then a good Ridill war probably wins.

[Ferien]

gf is a Ridill RNG. It's nice, but it's nothing phenomenal. I've significantly outparsed her on my WAR, but between the songs we got, the fact that she hasn't been able to get a hold of Cannon Shells, and that she was dualboxing the BRD, she obviously could have done better.

She gets her melee acc pretty high though. Between the melee gear she got specifically for it and RNG's natural traits, she's around the same acc as the other melee in the pt.

[Mufferino]

Even though It's not really the same, what about soboro sam/rng? Is it even worth using for meritpo or normal exp?

[Meat]

KC rng does win on Colibri. You can't really compete with a 2k ws every fight in a 3 DD party, much less a 4 DD party. You can afford the horrible melee acc there too- you'll still tp fast enough to get the one slug per fight.

I guess if you only have 1 brd and the songs are mad/march then a good Ridill war probably wins.

The only hindrance to a kc ranger back is melee acc, with mad/march they'd almost certainly come out on top. You're still gonna consistently slug for 1500 with a hf+1

[Beckwin]

At 1500 average, a good Ridill war is gonna make things very very close. Minuets are crack; going from 1 minuet to 2 is increasing your damage per fight by about 250-300.

You kinda only need as much acc is necessary to get 100 tp in roughly 30 seconds or less. This applies to colibri though; mamools require a different setup, generally a ninja sub, and sushi (you'll want to average more than 1 WS per fight).

[Kooldac]

Even though It's not really the same, what about soboro sam/rng? Is it even worth using for meritpo or normal exp?

its fun but takes some good gear to catch up to the fact SAM is still C+ in archery, which very much hinders your progress. I played around with it but never got serious in meripo. I CAN tell you it rapes everything on lesser colibri 55-60.

[Kirschy]

Just to get people's opinions...

/nin vs /war
sushi vs meat (on coli, so the fact you'll lose food is inevitable)
Song Preference with 1 BRD
Song Preference with 2 BRD

[RKenshin]

Just to get people's opinions...

/nin vs /war
sushi vs meat (on coli, so the fact you'll lose food is inevitable)
Song Preference with 1 BRD
Song Preference with 2 BRD

I'm not sure if you mean for RNG in general or Kraken RNG, so I'll try to answer for both.

/WAR is best IMO for most situations where you're in a decent PT with decent DDs that won't lose hate from normal shooting, which should be the situation in most PTs. In the case where that is not the situation... I'd recommend /SAM over /NIN first, unless the other DDs are very weak and the fights are slow. But /NIN on RNG is pretty weak overall IMO, the long delay between shooting doesn't allow for effective tanking without sacrificing a good deal of damage output unless you're TPing via kraken/ridill. In which case, I'd still follow the same rule of order of /WAR > /SAM > /NIN, where /NIN would only be used in the crappier PTs. But even then I think I'd be hardpressed to find a scenario I'd /NIN now, as I feel perfectly capable of tanking without taking much damage with just Seigan+Third Eye now, since I've been doing it religously in all the time I spend on SAM.

Should always be able to eat meat for just about any PT situation, with the only questionable scenarios being when using a kraken or ridll. 75RNG starts off with an inate accuracy bonus of 48, which is basically like having sushi as a job trait. On top of your normal RNG gear you're easily at the ranged accuracy cap on just about any exp mob without the sushi, totalling in around 100-120 Racc (which is a good 20-30 accuracy over the normal amount needed to get near the cap for other jobs). Sushi is just overkill in exp, and stacking STR/RAtt instead of accuracy and eating sushi is no where near the damage improvement if stacking Acc/Ratt and eating meat.

As for when using club, I think it depends largely on your max accuracy from the gear options available to you. With 48 accuracy from the job traits, it only takes another 20 melee accuracy to reach the same amount of acc you'd have if RNG had an A+ in club. And then there are enough decent gear options from there to add a good 30-50 accuracy on top of that. You won't get up in the range of the accuracy cap but you should be swinging fast enough to still gain TP within a short amount of time. With Madrigal it's basically not a problem. I suppose this part is more personal preference, but again I don't feel eating sushi would be worth it. The damage improvement on WS is too large I think.

With one BRD, the song preference for any RNG should be Minuetx2 first. With a second, it'd probably just be Minuetx2 and a Prelude if possible. As a kraken RNG with one BRD I'd still probably go with Minuetx2 first, and in the case of a second BRD I think that Madrigal/March would be the best set of second songs. Each Minuet adds too much to your WS damage to be worth sacrificing for something else IMO, just like for the attack food.

[Tempyst]

Even though It's not really the same, what about soboro sam/rng? Is it even worth using for meritpo or normal exp?

SAM/RNG is my goto job for meriting at the moment, it can compete, but I can't see it outdoing a solid WAR or MNK. You really need solid gear and merits to back up the C+ archery, too.

[Beckwin]

KC rng hitrate on mamools without sushi and/or mad is pretty abysmal.

[ZarakiKujata]

Even though It's not really the same, what about soboro sam/rng? Is it even worth using for meritpo or normal exp?

SAM/RNG is my goto job for meriting at the moment, it can compete, but I can't see it outdoing a solid WAR or MNK. You really need solid gear and merits to back up the C+ archery, too.

sam/rng can work really well @ Colibri and can easily keep up with my ridill war or the mandau in my ls on colibri. He eats sushi, pretty sure he has 8archery merits with the last update, and uses soboro/shigeto+1 and tons of other HQ gear, he averages about 1kish a sidewinder iirc. I think youd still be hardpressed to find the average sam/rng being capable of comparing to his or to a decked war/mnk on colibri, but with the right gear and merits it can work quite nicely