Abortion Penalty

[Priran]

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[Cjskater]

Why not?

Because you can argue better then most people on this board, so it would just end up into a 4 page derail (sorta, it's halfway on the rails). I've been awake forever, so I'm not going to risk making myself look an idiot.

[Devek]

iirc there are already tons of kids waiting to be adopted that stay in orphanages/foster care forever.

Children that are not newborns.

Newborn children are what the parents want. Very few people want to adopt at 12 year old that has been in and out of trouble their whole life. Sad but true.

[Ddz]

iirc there are already tons of kids waiting to be adopted that stay in orphanages/foster care forever.

Children that are not newborns.

Newborn children are what the parents want. Very few people want to adopt at 12 year old that has been in and out of trouble their whole life. Sad but true.

Yup. You're not getting adopted if you're not a perfect kid. Which you're most likely not gonna be once you found out mommy and daddy didn't want you. Agree to disagree on the abortion stuff imo!

[Devek]

Erm, I know a lot of people who were adopted out to good homes as babies and they all did fine. I don't think any of them seriously wished they had been aborted instead.

It isn't about being perfect.. the most influential years a parent has on a child is the first five. After that you're just taking care of a kid someone else raised...

[Mufferino]

Threads like this are pretty pointless imo. Its not like its going to accomplish anything in this thread. You aren't going to change everyones mind about this over a forum. Like DDZ was saying I also have known a lot of adopted children. The foster care from what they tell me is horrible. If you are not the most amazing kid or something of that sort you are going to spend almost all of your childhood either in multiple houses or not even getting the chance. Nothing is worse then not feeling loved by anyone which is how almost all of those children feel, from what I've been told.

Added lol ddz almost same stuff beat me!

[miokomioko]

1) kill the kids to prevent 5 months of looking a little fat

Let me get a little ad-hominem up in here... You're an idiot. :/

[Weltall]

The unborn fetus doesn't have a memory or anything...I refuse to believe that it's the same as murder. That choice isn't affecting anyone but the parents of said fetus. In comparison, it's pretty light compared to the murder of someone that knows other people and has ties to the world already. Should not carry the same sentence. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's wrong in my opinion.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

If that single strand of DNA belongs to something alive, and that DNA is human the living being is also human. It has its own unique DNA unlike anyone else in the entire world. It will grow up to have its own unique feelings, its own favorite color, and if given to adoptive parents(in America) would better opportunity at life than more than like 90% of the rest of the planet. This child could grow up to be the person who finds the cure for cancer.

And all of that same potential is wasted by not copulating with every woman I meet. The difference you seem to be making is whether the person is perceived as alive.

So here's a simple question: How do we define 'alive'?

It may seem like I'm arguing semantics but I'm not. I'm trying to see if you have the answer to one of the great unanswered questions: what is a life?

[Mufferino]

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Murder!!!!!!!!!!!! Any man who has jerked it is a killer! Those could all have been a new life!


Sorry I found that picture a while ago and it seemed like the right place to use it.

[SephYuyX]

The only feasable option I can see an abortion being OK, is if the mother would die giving birth.

Otherwise there is adoption.

[Jujubie]

to prevent 5 months of looking a little fat

This made me laugh. It is a lot more than that. It is extreme exhaustion and possibly sickness (puking every day), food aversions and cravings and that is just the first 12-15 weeks before you get baby fat! It is having to pee every 15 minutes, it is stretch marks, and never having your body the same again. Unless you are a woman and have been pregnant you cannot begin to understand what it feels like to be pregnant or give birth.


It is everyone's personal choice. It is something that I personally wouldn't do, I perfer the adoption method if you are unable or do not want to care for a child, there are too many people that desparately want children and can't have their own.

[Mufferino]

Isn't that kind of an odd statement. Its pretty much saying, Well we can only save 1 life. The mother or the child's. So you are saying the mother's life is more important than the child's?

[miokomioko]

Menstral cycles are ok even though they are flushing out a human egg.
Male ejaculations are ok even though they are killing thousands of human sperm.

However, if those two cells simply combine, you are instantly filthy murdererous scum. AMIRITE?

[Weltall]

1) kill the kids to prevent 5 months of looking a little fat

Let me get a little ad-hominem up in here... You're an idiot. :/

1. Lots of people look more than a "little" fat.
2. Lots of people that have abortions don't have the money to take care of it.
3. Giving up the child to foster care and aborting it will have about the same mental damages on the female in the long run. If not, it will be close.
4. Is it even alive yet? Some agree with you, but a lot do not. If killing DNA strands should be illegal, stop jacking off.
5. Lots of people that have abortions would have to give up college/highschool, and they don't want to.

Let them make their own decisions, and if they regret it in the future then that is their punishment. You should push for the cost of abortions to be increased to defer people away from the decision; it would also have an immediate cost/punishment.

Edit- Don't even respond with, "Then don't put yourself in the situation to have a kid." Get real this isn't wonderland.

[SephYuyX]

Isn't that kind of an odd statement. Its pretty much saying, Well we can only save 1 life. The mother or the child's. So you are saying the mother's life is more important than the child's?

It happens often.

[Mufferino]

Menstral cycles are ok even though they are flushing out a human egg.
Male ejaculations are ok even though they are killing thousands of human sperm.

However, if those two cells simply combine, you are instantly filthy murdererous scum. AMIRITE?

Thank you for this.... <3

Added the 'recent post' thing didn't pop up. I'm not saying it doesn't because it does. I'm just saying I think it was a little odd that you are saying oh no its ok to 'murder' that unborn child under these circumstances.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Isn't that kind of an odd statement. Its pretty much saying, Well we can only save 1 life. The mother or the child's. So you are saying the mother's life is more important than the child's?

I would say that somebody who many people have a real connection and attachment to is more important than somebody who people don't have a real connection to yet. If an unborn child dies then there is mostly only damage to the mother and father. A full grown person who has become connected with the world would cause much more damage if he/she died.

[Ddz]

Isn't that kind of an odd statement. Its pretty much saying, Well we can only save 1 life. The mother or the child's. So you are saying the mother's life is more important than the child's?

Yes, because she has ties to the world. People know her, she has memories, can make decisions that affect other people. This is the difference between abortion and murder to me.

[SephYuyX]

Menstral cycles are ok even though they are flushing out a human egg.
Male ejaculations are ok even though they are killing thousands of human sperm.

However, if those two cells simply combine, you are instantly filthy murdererous scum. AMIRITE?

Need some sort of captian planet picture to go along with this.