Lord of Onzozo

[Naygor]

Oh, you mean things like dynamis (excluding your zerg'd DL), einherjar, limbus, hnm camps, etc etc. Yeah, drk is totally useless aside from zerging.

[governor]

Non-zerg damage?

Isn't that why God created black mages?

[Naygor]

Well, sometimes you might not have an army of blm and you might wanna make do.

[Kaylia]

Oh, you mean things like dynamis (excluding your zerg'd DL), einherjar, limbus, hnm camps, etc etc. Yeah, drk is totally useless aside from zerging.

There is better job than DRK for thing like dynamis,einherjar, limbus, so yes, chance is you don't need that job at 75. Not saying DRK75 hace no use endgame (we uses a ridill drk in salvage pretty often), but I would take a lv72 octave in our LS over a lv 75 DRK any day.

[Naygor]

Does your ls do anything besides KV, Bahamut 2, and DL?

[governor]

Well, sometimes you might not have an army of blm and you might wanna make do.

I don't know about you, but all the DRK's in my LS have a job leveled for non-zerg fights and if they aren't around we always have 27 people with BLM leveled.

[Kaylia]

Does your ls do anything besides KV, Bahamut 2, and DL?

Kirin, Jailer of Love, CoP Wyrm (drk go in every 6min).

Tell me where you would bring a lv75 DRK over something else.

[Naygor]

Spoilers: Drk is actually a pretty decent dd endgame. I'd probably rather have a sam for hnm fights or a war to voke things in dynamis, but it's not exactly terrible.

[governor]

Decent isn't best and why not bring the best?

[Zilong]

Spoilers: Drk is actually a pretty decent dd endgame. I'd probably rather have a sam for hnm fights or a war to voke things in dynamis, but it's not exactly terrible.

You're fucking telling people "decent" is acceptable after calling octave DRK gimp because it's not as good as kraken DRK?

The ironing, it's fucking delicious.

[Naygor]

Try to follow this zilong. If you go octave drk you're stuck at 72. You've excluded yourself from every situation that doesn't involve zerging (and there really aren't that many). Now, I'd rather have a sam for something like fafhogg, but I wouldn't exactly throw a shit fit if it was a drk instead. It's called being versatile. Octave drk is a one trick pony. Level 75 drk has far more use endgame and you can do pretty decent against octave drk if you do what I said.

[Ryko]

You forgot to mention the perfect gears bahamut zaghnal requires, as well as brd's special.

Last I checked a gimpy kraken drk that doesn't have that stuff isn't exactly god walking on earth, it's unfair to state one needs it as if the other doesn't.

[Zilong]

Try to follow this zilong. If you go octave drk you're stuck at 72. You've excluded yourself from every situation that doesn't involve zerging (and there really aren't that many). Now, I'd rather have a sam for something like fafhogg, but I wouldn't exactly throw a shit fit if it was a drk instead. It's called being versatile. Octave drk is a one trick pony. Level 75 drk has far more use endgame and you can do pretty decent against octave drk if you do what I said.

Did you not fucking read the part where the OP has DRK as a secondary job just for zerging situation.

No shit octave DRK is a on trick pony, but why the fuck does that matter if you have a better job for anything else? Which Kaylia has been saying for the last page or so.

Did the OP said anywhere that he wants to level DRK for anything but zerging purpose? Or the fact that DRK is his only job?

Seriously, you tried to act clever, but obviously you fucking fail hard on this one.

[Kaylia]

Spoilers: Drk is actually a pretty decent dd endgame. I'd probably rather have a sam for hnm fights or a war to voke things in dynamis, but it's not exactly terrible.

Who said DRK are terrible? You are the one who doesnt seem to understand the endgame situation. There isn't that many HNM you would melee as a DRK75.

If the drk only has DRG and PUP leveled, than yeah, he is better with DRK at 75, and I don't think anyone in this thread said otherwise. I know DRK isn't bad in dyna, but why not go WAR or MNK? Or maybe go rdm and let someone else come with a better job? Your point would be valid if people were limited to a single job, but that's not the case.

[Naygor]

I heard if you curse up a storm you're automatically right. Here's another helpful hint: not every person has every job at 75 and is always on for everything. Decent is a helluva lot better than nothing. The only thing I've been arguing is that a level 75 drk is probably more useful than an octave drk. Other people have been arguing this very point against me. Pay attention, and don't switch the debate at the last second.

[Zilong]

The OP has 75 RNG and WAR levelled

Did I just blow your mind?

[Naygor]

The OP has 75 RNG and WAR levelled

Did I just blow your mind?

I haven't been talking about the OP for this entire page, much like I just said in my last post. Pay attention.

[Ryko]

I'm personally wondering why all the effort to level and camp to use a 72 DRK for zerging purposes when the only uses a RNG has are Zerg fights, maybe JoL, JoF, and KB.

[Kaylia]

You forgot to mention the perfect gears bahamut zaghnal requires, as well as brd's special.

Last I checked a gimpy kraken drk that doesn't have that stuff isn't exactly god walking on earth, it's unfair to state one needs it as if the other doesn't.

With Feint and Sushi, there really isn't much of a difference between Krakken club and Octave club in term of accuracy, so the point is kinda moot.

Capping haste is a lot less important with octave club than it is with Bahamut Zaghal. Difference between 86%>88% (15% speed increase) with Zaghal is much more importan than 61%-->63% (5% speed increase). An octave drk can get pretty close to his cap dmg without doing any big effort, while a Zaghal drk will only be able to do that during SV with the perfect gears.

[Ryko]

You forgot to mention the perfect gears bahamut zaghnal requires, as well as brd's special.

Last I checked a gimpy kraken drk that doesn't have that stuff isn't exactly god walking on earth, it's unfair to state one needs it as if the other doesn't.

With Feint and Sushi, there really isn't much of a difference between Krakken club and Octave club in term of accuracy, so the point is kinda moot.

You missed the point, you said a B zaghnal doesn't count because it requires good gear and a BRD's 2 hour.

Last I checked, for a kraken DRK to be a juggernaut, they need that too. It's invalid to hold it against one then ignore it for the other. The difference of increase between the 2 is understood, but it's not like you're going to leave the kraken drk away from a bard because "well they're good enough", and this is ignoring the fact that the octave DRK is already assed out on 8% haste anyway.