Mnk h2h question

[Amele]

My understanding of the situation is that while they are worth using for single-hit weaponskills, they certainly do not outperform chram for multi-hit weaponskills. I keep my Soil Gorget in my locker any more, I haven't noticed any loss in performance for Rampage since I started using chram full-time.

it wasn't certain, is all I'm saying; and we shouldn't start passing it around as a fact or common knowledge until it is.

but it also wasn't compelling that they *would* outperform PCC given more tests, and other circumstantial evidence about how multihit weaponskills behave make the conclusion reasonable enough that I wouldn't fault someone who didn't use it for a multihit weaponskill.

[Max™]

People WS In Brown Belt?

People complain about Warwolf over Brown, an irrefuteable upgrade for WS purposes?

Str 5, Haste 8%
Str 5, Dex 5, Vit 5

Haste don't make you hit faster during Asuran.

I thought Life Belt was the thing, or maybe Potent, and why do I feel weird when I swap from Sniper/Rajas/Brown for TP (cause dammit, it looks too nice to swap out full time) to Sniper/Woodsman/Tilt (43) to try and make sure I land 5/5 in Raging Fist, since lolhthmods, and all that?

Also: Before I got a PCC, I wanted a Gorget.

Now that I have a PCC, and have seen testing suggesting its minimal, I'm @needing a Yovra to complete, and have been for a couple months.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

For asuran I swap in (of course I swap temple gloves for the boost, then back to bando before ws)
Soil Gorget
Rajas Ring (I keep snipers on for a little extra acc)
Melee Gaiters (little extra dex)
Warwolf belt (sometimes, im usually counterstance tanking most of the fight anyway so the enmity doesnt bother me much)
I think thats it >.>

Wow, I see a lot wrong there. First of all, Do you keep Rajas on or snipers? You should be keeping at least one sniper if not two unless you're consistenly hitting all 8 hits. Missing a hit in favor of the very minimal boost Rajas Ring gives you is not worth it.

Melee gaiters? Might as well do assaults for the pawluhan feet, use Hume RSE2 or Taru RSE2 if you're either of those races, or even shura feet are all better than Melee Gaiters for asuran.

Warwolf Belt? Losing the STR from Brown belt all for 5 VIT is again, not worth it.

Also, there was a post awhile ago that proved the sea gorgets only have an effect on the first hit of any weaponskill. Therefore, it is pretty worthless for something like asuran, since it only works on one of the eight hits. Peacock charm or ideally a faith torque seems to be the better option.

1. tp gain I use sniper/woodsman, ws I use sniper/rajas, but I will consider keeping them both on, ill have to try it out. Being a melee at heart I use rajas in ws macros for all my jobs, but I know mnk is different due to the extremely low mod that str gives on asuran. I know acc is the main thing, just gotta keep trying things out to be sure.

2. Hume RSE isnt a bad Idea, honestly just never thought of it. That and until I get destroyers and sell my CC I dont have the cash for it. I just had the gaiters so figured Id put them into my macro because 4 dex > dune boots. Ill have to look into that choice a little more. P. Feet I dont have enough assault points for yet, but I do have a static so will get there eventually, were helping friends rank up and getting points in other areas atm.

3. Warwolf belt is better then Brown belt for the reason said above. 5 str 5 dex 5 vit > 5 str + haste during WS. But potent and life arent a bad idea, I have a life belt, wouldnt be hard to get a potent and try them all out.

Ty all for the tips, and hope to hear more

[chiyio]

For the weapon question, as long as you have the stones faith are the best mnk h2h weapon. Hell, they may be the strongest weapon in the game.

Maybe for some reason they won't be as good at 73, but well geared at 75 nothing can touch them.

Take 2 mnks who parse within 1% of eachother, toss faith on one and he'll steadily gain over the other.

*edit I should say in xp/assualt, stuff like that. For hnm I don't think the damage/tp given would make them the best choice.

[Sendra]

For the weapon question, as long as you have the stones faith are the best mnk h2h weapon. Hell, they may be the strongest weapon in the game.

Maybe for some reason they won't be as good at 73, but well geared at 75 nothing can touch them.

Take 2 mnks who parse within 1% of eachother, toss faith on one and he'll steadily gain over the other.

*edit I should say in xp/assualt, stuff like that. For hnm I don't think the damage/tp given would make them the best choice.

What is this based on? (POIDH)

[Max™]

Well, the bulk of Monks base Damage is from the skill, not the weapon (30 something base damage+18 destroyers is monstrous, remember) so 9 dmg isn't as much of a hindrance.

Last I checked they can stack with double attack, so thats up to triple attacks, which also, last I checked, can proc on both hands, so its like dual wielding Dmg 39ish Weapons with 200 something delay (Faiths are +9/+113 right? 300+113, 206 "delay" per fist basically) that can double or triple attack.

*thinks*

Whats another dmg 40ish weapon with 200+ delay that can double or triple attack...

[chiyio]

For the weapon question, as long as you have the stones faith are the best mnk h2h weapon. Hell, they may be the strongest weapon in the game.

Maybe for some reason they won't be as good at 73, but well geared at 75 nothing can touch them.

Take 2 mnks who parse within 1% of eachother, toss faith on one and he'll steadily gain over the other.

*edit I should say in xp/assualt, stuff like that. For hnm I don't think the damage/tp given would make them the best choice.

What is this based on? (POIDH)

Many, many, many merit parties. Linkshell and otherwise. From before this expansion in the Tomb to plenty of 2-3 brd xp parties at the greater Colibri camp. I pretty much always parse, have since 2005.

I'd be pretty surprised if they're beatable by any job/weapon. (for merits)

[aurik]

32+9=41 base damage, and stone consumption rate is 50%, leading to a 2.5% triple / 50% double / 47.5% single distribution, whereas ridill looks like 40/40/20 with a 45 dmg weapon (albeit not an A+ weapon and not dual-weilded)

[Max™]

Ridill is 45 Dmg?

Is this including fStr or something I didnt know about?

Ridill is 40/236

Faiths are 41-41/413, but you have to dual wield something with Ridill unless you're /Drg and Shielding it or something, say Rid Joy, 40-35/460 (~368) should be a hell of a TP spam fight, course, gotta Mnk/War to get the full absurdity of +15% Double on top of Faiths, where Rid/Joy can hide behind shadows.

[aurik]

Oh right <_< ridill/joy is 40/35, not 45/40...

[Max™]

Oh right <_< ridill/joy is 40/35, not 45/40...

45/40 would kind of kill hopes of anything beating out that kind of retarded spamfest.

49/40, 512 (398~) Man/Rid is pretty retarded though.

Course, neither of those factor in Kicks and whatnot, and the fact that Mnk/Nin hangs in the big leagues with Ridills is a testament to just how fucking fast Mnk/War gets faceraped huh.

[chiyio]

Not sure why this is turning into a mnk vrs war debate. Destroyers are more then enough for maxed mnk to easily beat maxed ridill wars as it is. Countertanking is where it's at for mnk. (for the record I, and most of the linkshell people I merit with are two boxers so I'm always /war)

For the OP's question, I really don't know if faith would be better at 73, but at 75 they definitely are. Regardless, they're really overkill anyway, destroyers are great. But since you don't have destroyers, I'm thinking faith can get you to 75 just fine.

If you really want to know how to increase your damage, engage fast, don't afk, and ws at 100 tp.

[Sanjiyan]

According to another person's estimate, you'd go through your stack of pouches of stones in around 1.5-2 hours. I can't confirm it myself but if it's true that's really not practical. You'd have to farm 1 hour for every 2 hour of exp you plan to get from full-timing faiths.

[Amele]

According to another person's estimate, you'd go through your stack of pouches of stones in around 1.5-2 hours. I can't confirm it myself but if it's true that's really not practical. You'd have to farm 1 hour for every 2 hour of exp you plan to get from full-timing faiths.

this doesn't seem close to right. it should be possible to get organs much faster than 12 in one hour. (although I admit I've never bothered to try farming them solo on whm/nin)

[sleekmotorwurkz]

According to another person's estimate, you'd go through your stack of pouches of stones in around 1.5-2 hours. I can't confirm it myself but if it's true that's really not practical. You'd have to farm 1 hour for every 2 hour of exp you plan to get from full-timing faiths.

this doesn't seem close to right. it should be possible to get organs much faster than 12 in one hour. (although I admit I've never bothered to try farming them solo on whm/nin)

I said that earlier in the post as an estimate, I did underestimate a lot though. I can farm as TH4 so on the average aern kill I can get a tissue or an organ or both. Id say 2 stone pouches per 3 kills max. Doesnt take that long to get a stack of pouches. So far (20k into 73) I have gone through 8 pouches so its not so bad. Once I hit 75 and stack on all my haste gear im sure I will blow through them much faster.