Asking what the party set-up is.

[LogainDiabolos]

Anyone who goes buy the "Some xp is better than no xp" mentality is a fucking dumb ass(side note: i always thought it was dumbass but the spell check thingy says its dumb ass), because any experienced meriter will tell you that it is not the case. Thats the #1 cause of suicide, bad merit ptys.

Amen

[Doofus]

Anyone who goes buy the "Some xp is better than no xp" mentality is a fucking dumb ass(side note: i always thought it was dumbass but the spell check thingy says its dumb ass), because any experienced meriter will tell you that it is not the case. Thats the #1 cause of suicide, bad merit ptys.

Amen

but srsly i thought it was one word

[LogainDiabolos]

I did too... don't I feel like a dumb ass

[Dulek]

Goes like this:

Slow XP = no fun + warp + tell to party leader, ">> dude, the dunes was 50+ levels ago"
Fast XP = Enjoyable and productive.

To those that get pist off, cause someone ask what the party setup is, is it not cause their 'elitest,' but don't want to waste their time being bored out of their fucking mind cause the party leader is a fucktard that even at 70+ can't build a balance party. To the idiot that comment on page 1, regarding to the extent of, if your melee with known low invites, should accept anything you get without question ask. Yea,... your an f'in idiot.

[Neosutra]

Stop forming parties without bards? Not everyone has a bard attached to them at the hip. Considering they're one of the rarest jobs (and you almost never find one seeking) that advice is completely and utterly unhelpful and stupid.



And it's pretty easy to ask what the setup is condescendingly, I get it a lot. SOmething like, "idk whats the setup?" If someone is polite about it, of course i'm not going to get my panties in a bunch, but when you ask without any sort of politeness, and make it very blunt, I do think ti's rude.

Plain and simple, if no brds seeking, no brds wanting to xp (i ask like every one not anon >.>), or no brd friends want to xp. I DONT XP. There are a shit ton of other things to do in the game productive other then waste 3 hours in a horrific party. If I get an invite, first thing I ask is setup, and if it doesnt include brd, i politely say "i dont party w/o a brd", in which case they dont ask me again till they have a brd.

If SE gave another job the ability to have a mob waiting patiently slept next to me before the current mob is dead all the while keeping my accuracy/attack/attack speed rocking AND doubling my healers refresh rate, I would invite them in an instant. Dont blame players for waiting for the most enjoyable setup, blame SE for making it unbalanced.

Besides, jesus, it takes like a month now to get brd to 75, stop fucking complaining.

[Thistle]

Plain and simple, if no brds seeking, no brds wanting to xp (i ask like every one not anon >.>),

Every time I get asked while not seeking, it makes me even less likely to ever seek on BRD. That might be why no BRDs ever seek.

[VZX]

Say {Yes, please}
accept invite
If PT setup is bad
   disband
else
   join
   if PT performance is shit
       disband/close ffxiapp/take off your power cord/ you know the drill

[iCelerity]

Are you people aware the OP was talking about a lvl 60 Party, and not a merit pt with or w/o bards.

[Khelek]

I do the following and it has worked for me so far:

1. /sea all ??-?? inv and check what ppl are lfp. If there are essentials lfp, I'll make a pt. If not, see 2.

2. Go afk, not seeking, and do something fun. I get invites while afk and not seeking for some reason, and when I do, I ask for the setup and join if it's nice.

Works like a charm tbh.



EDIT:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5...yomyomy9pf.gif

This being an awesome picture and all... Is that a guy dressed as a priest doing the thing with the hand? (the cross round his neck) If it is, it's more pure win.

[Darus Grey]

No love for the CORs.

[Carnusty]

No love for the CORs.

If COR's buffs were more static, I'd want them in a party more.

Personally, I don't want a bard in my melee parties -purely- for their buffs. Alot of people overlook Elegy in a party's survivability...I can go Ni to Ni on ninja thanks to that spell most times x.x

That being said if I don't need buffer on my monk or ninja I party on my bard <_< which...to be honest, I more often than not don't ask what the party setup is. Maybe I have better luck than others in merit pickup parties, usually I get the 4 melee/2 mage parties, and that tends to be enough to at least keep me interested in exp :X

[Bagel]

Bagel Version
If <r> name==stupid
   /tell <r> {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}
If bagelhunger==true
   /tell <r> {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}
   make sandwich
If sky==raining
   /tell <r> {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}  
If PT setup is bad
   /tell <r> {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}
else
   /join
   if PT performance is shit
       wait until Empress Band or Food wears
       /p this party sucks, later
       /pcmd leave
       /item "Instant Warp" <me>
   if PT age < 13
       wait until Empress Band or Food wears
       /p this party sucks, later
       /pcmd leave
       /item "Instant Warp" <me>
   else
      get level

[Jpeg]

/sea all <r> yields rank 2 PUP47 in Kuftal Tunnel... do you really want this invite?

answer to OP: there shouldnt be anything wrong with asking.
easy solution: stop being lazy and make your own party, let gimps know how to improve before kicking (i usually do this in /tell)

[superfob]

How do you come off sounding condescending by asking "Whats the PT set up?"

By the way this wasn't answered.

I pretty much follow the rules stated by others no matter what job I'm looking for (loldrg, sam, drk, etc). Fast XP > hours of crap xp. I don't care if we only party for an hour and get 9k (50-60s), its better than 3 hours of 4k/hr.

I generally automatically search the inviter. If their /anon or undersubbed I will ignore. If they just go pt?, {Party}?, blind invite or some variation of that, I will respond by asking party setup and level range. If they take offense, chances are I will never party with them again.

I only make parties when I see all necessary jobs seeking. If someone asks about the setup, it makes me feel more confident in my choice because they actually care about getting fast xp as well. It doesn't take that much time to talk and reply to people.

Edit: The issue isn't elitism, its about keeping your sanity.

[Thistle]

No love for the CORs.

COR is my next job to 75! It's like the Hume of jobs: okay at both DD and support stuff, but outstanding at neither. So as a Hume COR, I'll be the very model of mediocrity!

But I'll have damned sexy AF while doing it.

[Baha]

Always send out invites with number of people and jobs, and location of camp/targetted mobs. It takes like 3 extra seconds of typing and tabspamming, but it's at least courteous to do so. Face it, half of the time you'd do it for a JP/BRD/RDM/COR/tank you really need anyway, so just make a habit out of it.

If I get an invite without it, really depends on which job I'm seeking on. "High demand jobs", you can gtfo, not dealing with your crap without knowing what I'm getting myself into. Level 55 DRK I'll take my chances at 7k/hr vs 10k/hr. Will still leave shittastic pt's though, decent xp > no xp > xp where I have to tear my hair out.

Also, my policy of not meritting without BRD or COR usually results in me coming BRD, oh the irony. brb twisting more people's arms to level BRD

[Clynt]

On the topic of shitty BRD's, there's nothing I hate more than a shitty fucking BRD. BRD's that can't keep songs up when they're not even pulling. BRD's that do not cast Elegy. I don't know if some BRD's don't understand how good Elegy is, or they're just that incompetent that they can't comprehend when you ask them to cast it. I find that a majority of pickup BRD's won't cast Elegy, even after being asked to, but they sure as hell will cast Requiem. Then you get the BRD's that cast Paeons and shit when you don't even need it, gotta love them... oh, and "what's a Cornette? I cast all my songs with this Harpe." There's also the BRD's that use a freaking Shellbuster or Monster Signa instead of Staves.

[Decimus]

nothing wrong with asking questions about party setup, but when a guy is trying to get a replacement member for his party you should try to be more understanding. He obviously had a bad day or is just a complete dick...or maybe he's a complete dick who had a bad day.

you can always take the initiative and search the player sending you the tell, then search the zone of the player sending you the tell. Should be able to narrow down who's probably with his party.

[Ein]

"i dont want 2 pt with elitist" is noob for "I'm sorry, I can't seem to find a Bard."

you dodged a bullet, also...

i think he was joking about the lv60 sam in dynamis ls thing.

[levish]

As far as PUG go you can ask party makeup if you are: Brd, Rdm, Whm, Cor, Nin, Pld (pre 68). If you are not any of the other jobs I'd personally take any offer for a party since it's better than soloing or browsing the AH.

If you want to be picky and are a melee you need a static or LS parties.