Asking what the party set-up is.

[Intense]

As far as PUG go you can ask party makeup if you are: Brd, Rdm, Whm, Cor, Nin, Pld (pre 68). If you are not any of the other jobs I'd personally take any offer for a party since it's better than soloing or browsing the AH.

I dont think this is the case for most of us. I know I dont personally sit around staring at myscreen for a PT invite tell, as Im usually doing other stuff around the house with my laptop in plain view, then I come to the keyboard when I get an offer.

[layoneil]

i live by the rule of: ask party set up if your repping someone; join if your not. if your not repping someone and you join and its a shitty set up, drop and be an asshole, because its the only way they will learn. if your repping someone and the set up is decent - good, join if they plan on staying a while.

am i the only one that has no idea what that word means?

[Intense]

Replacing, I think. Speaking of which, there are jobs I dont like to/very rarely will go as a replacement for someone else, and those are generally RDM and BRD. It might be the "princess" attitude coming out, but I generally dont like to replace someone for various reasons. Im leiniant (sp?) on other jobs though where being a random DD wont make a difference to the flow of a party.

[Neosutra]

How do you come off sounding condescending by asking "Whats the PT set up?"

By the way this wasn't answered.

I pretty much follow the rules stated by others no matter what job I'm looking for (loldrg, sam, drk, etc). Fast XP > hours of crap xp. I don't care if we only party for an hour and get 9k (50-60s), its better than 3 hours of 4k/hr.

I generally automatically search the inviter. If their /anon or undersubbed I will ignore. If they just go pt?, {Party}?, blind invite or some variation of that, I will respond by asking party setup and level range. If they take offense, chances are I will never party with them again.

I only make parties when I see all necessary jobs seeking. If someone asks about the setup, it makes me feel more confident in my choice because they actually care about getting fast xp as well. It doesn't take that much time to talk and reply to people.
Edit: The issue isn't elitism, its about keeping your sanity.

Damn straight. Typically when I invite people, I can always tell the ones that have taken the time to merit their job, farm for their equipment, and do the research to understand how to even play their job, just by the questions they ask.

Factors for the invite:

1. Search Comment - Well formed, do they have one, what information:
(my mnk /sea comment (20-75 lol)
8/8 h2h, 4/4 crit hit
@???? Area: O
Party Long-TIme

2. Rank: Ya, i know, rank doesnt absolutely mean experience, but it does raise the probability youve been around a bit more. Statistically a rank 10 will play better then a rank 5... But ive been wrong before.

3. Obvious stuff, SJ approritate and lvled, has access to all areas.

4. Asks setup, where we are going, and how long we are partying. (dont usually have to ask this since i always state this in an invite).

A solid rocking party, at any level, is the most enjoyable part of this game (aside from epic battles, which follow the same principles of "well prepared and skilled members > zergfest of idiots").

[Septimus]

If you're a melee, aka someone who RARELY gets invites, and you ask for my party setup when there's someone else seeking who can fill the slot, of course i'm gonna tell you to go fuck yourself. Beggars can't be choosers.

This line alone is why I absolutely refuse to join a merit made my people outside of my linkshell. It is why I PL all of my jobs solo to 37 whenever I can. If you were on Bahamut, I would /blist you so that you would never have to worry about me asking for the party set up.

You should always ask the party set up and where the party is going before you accept an invitation so you have an idea how you are going to stand in terms of accuracy (are you highest or lowest, can you get away with meat, are you overcamping) and potential lolSkillchains. If being prepared is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

[Acturus]

Personally, I'm waiting to see what the upper echelon of party invite laziness is going to be. We've gone from

>>>{Party}{Do you need it?}

to

>>>{Party}?

to

>>>pt?

to

>>>pt

A lot of laziness in communication is what causes people to perceive a condescending tone (or a condensating tone, depending on how much moisture is in the air).

Or maybe pick up groups are just one of the levels of Dante's Inferno and we haven't quite realized it yet.

[ashke]

If being prepared is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

Indeed.

Replacing, I think. Speaking of which, there are jobs I dont like to/very rarely will go as a replacement for someone else, and those are generally RDM and BRD. It might be the "princess" attitude coming out, but I generally dont like to replace someone for various reasons. Im leiniant (sp?) on other jobs though where being a random DD wont make a difference to the flow of a party.

Long before I stopped XPing RDM in pickups (and switched to 'Princess Plus' LS only), I stopped replacing others on RDM, unless I happened to know the guy sending me the tell personally. 7/10, it was a RDM bailing from a shitty party, and 9/10 it doesn't last long enough to warrant the trip.

"Oh yeah, everyone is sticking around!" 3K later and the BRD says it's dinner time kinda crap.

[Yutuyu]

If you're a melee, aka someone who RARELY gets invites, and you ask for my party setup when there's someone else seeking who can fill the slot, of course i'm gonna tell you to go fuck yourself. Beggars can't be choosers.

This line alone is why I absolutely refuse to join a merit made my people outside of my linkshell. It is why I PL all of my jobs solo to 37 whenever I can. If you were on Bahamut, I would /blist you so that you would never have to worry about me asking for the party set up.

You should always ask the party set up and where the party is going before you accept an invitation so you have an idea how you are going to stand in terms of accuracy (are you highest or lowest, can you get away with meat, are you overcamping) and potential lolSkillchains. If being prepared is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

If it's obvious that your sentiment and intention is preparedness, sure, I absolutely respect that. I have nothing wrong with that. But if you're just being incredibly picky (i.e. I won't party with you unless you have a bard) I do find it offensive, and that's really how most people come off when they ask party setup. It just depends on how polite they are.

[Credos]

If you're a melee, aka someone who RARELY gets invites, and you ask for my party setup when there's someone else seeking who can fill the slot, of course i'm gonna tell you to go fuck yourself. Beggars can't be choosers.

This line alone is why I absolutely refuse to join a merit made my people outside of my linkshell. It is why I PL all of my jobs solo to 37 whenever I can. If you were on Bahamut, I would /blist you so that you would never have to worry about me asking for the party set up.

You should always ask the party set up and where the party is going before you accept an invitation so you have an idea how you are going to stand in terms of accuracy (are you highest or lowest, can you get away with meat, are you overcamping) and potential lolSkillchains. If being prepared is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

If it's obvious that your sentiment and intention is preparedness, sure, I absolutely respect that. I have nothing wrong with that. But if you're just being incredibly picky (i.e. I won't party with you unless you have a bard) I do find it offensive, and that's really how most people come off when they ask party setup. It just depends on how polite they are.

Since when does asking what the setup include imply that they are looking for a BRD? If you send me a /tell asking "Party?" it's obvious that you don't want to put forth the effort to inform someone of what they will be dealing with over the next few hours. So why should you expect someone to give you the same courtesy?

[Yutuyu]

It doesn't. I'm just going off of experience. LIke I said earlier, the vast majority of people who ask for party setups act in that way in my experience.

[Panella]

I'm in awe at the random invites you guys get. 90% of the invites I get consist of either "(party)" or "pt" followed by an invite. Which prompts me to tell them to go fuck themselves and black list them. Wish I knew why it pisses me off when people can't bring themselves to use a "?" at the very least.

I don't think it's insulting to ask the party set up but I don't generally find it useful either. Joining that mnk/war/brd/rdm party and finding out the rdm thinks smn sub is cool, the monk is rocking full af, the war can't seem to afford a haubergeon and his nin sub isn't remotely up to date, followed by watching the 6th member join up and seeing it's another rdm.... I've defaulted to checking the party leader's job/sj levels, joining if it looks okay, and then checking out the rest of the party myself before I commit to exping with random jokers.

Also, you people that actually accept replacement invites, I hate you. The never ending stream of replacements, each one shittier and more desperate than the last is exactly why I refuse to party with randoms unless my ls/friends make up the majority of the pt.

[Intense]

I don't think it's insulting to ask the party set up but I don't generally find it useful either. Joining that mnk/war/brd/rdm party and finding out the rdm thinks smn sub is cool, the monk is rocking full af, the war can't seem to afford a haubergeon and his nin sub isn't remotely up to date, followed by watching the 6th member join up and seeing it's another rdm.... I've defaulted to checking the party leader's job/sj levels, joining if it looks okay, and then checking out the rest of the party myself before I commit to exping with random jokers.

Yup, I dont waste a second in checking the PT list for sj's, ranks and levels. I get silently annoyed when people are in a party and anon (Its completely understood why certain jobs need to stay anon obviously, but its still bothersome to me!).

Then I start with the annoying "Where are we headed?" /sea "Zone" "Oh no, we cant go there with all those parties/with our set up" routine. :D

[Nikko]

No one should ever ask for the what party setup is.








The party setup should always be in the invite. People who send invites such as "Party?" or "Exp?" are doing the exact same thing as blind inviting. Seek flag is already there to tell you I want a party; the whole point of sending a tell first is to give other information. Where are you planning to exp? What jobs do you have so far? What is the level range of the party? All of that information should be in the invite, not just "Party?". Assuming you are in the same region, what is the point of sending a tell saying "Party?", why not just invite and skip the meaningless step? Do people even remember the term blind invite and what it means? Blind means you dont have information about the party, not that you didnt get a tell first saying "Party".

[Juib]

This is a little unrelated, but I also absolutely hate it when I join a newly forming pt, ask where we will be exping, and the leader responds with something like "idk, i'm a bad leader lol!" why form a pt then? fuck it. /disband

[Amele]

I generally wait until I have a finished (or 5/6) member party to decide on a camp.

things are so fluid with party counts in AU areas these days that it's pretty pointless to pick an area before you even know how long it'll take you to get there.

[Juib]

oh the pt was at 6/6 when i asked

[BRP]

When I'm inviting people, which isn't often(and practically never 50+), I always include party status, like "Hello, Party do you need it? 4/6 RDM PLD MNK etc..". I think it's the proper way to do it.

[Judai]

It doesn't. I'm just going off of experience. LIke I said earlier, the vast majority of people who ask for party setups act in that way in my experience.

In my experience the vast majority of people who ask "Party?" make shitty parties. If I'm seeking, obviously I want a party but you need to make some effort to make me choose your party.

[Doofus]

I'm in awe at the random invites you guys get. 90% of the invites I get consist of either "(party)" or "pt" followed by an invite. Which prompts me to tell them to go fuck themselves and black list them. Wish I knew why it pisses me off when people can't bring themselves to use a "?" at the very least.

I don't think it's insulting to ask the party set up but I don't generally find it useful either. Joining that mnk/war/brd/rdm party and finding out the rdm thinks smn sub is cool, the monk is rocking full af, the war can't seem to afford a haubergeon and his nin sub isn't remotely up to date, followed by watching the 6th member join up and seeing it's another rdm.... I've defaulted to checking the party leader's job/sj levels, joining if it looks okay, and then checking out the rest of the party myself before I commit to exping with random jokers.

Also, you people that actually accept replacement invites, I hate you. The never ending stream of replacements, each one shittier and more desperate than the last is exactly why I refuse to party with randoms unless my ls/friends make up the majority of the pt.

I cried because that is usually how it happens these days, all the good people stay with friends/LS.

[Credos]

It doesn't. I'm just going off of experience. LIke I said earlier, the vast majority of people who ask for party setups act in that way in my experience.

In my experience the vast majority of people who ask "Party?" make shitty parties. If I'm seeking, obviously I want a party..

So true.