Do you need to do this to be a credible endgame player?

[savageboy]

nah its not like that its just kinda i dunno...coming from you.
i dunno why ppl being so technical. the limbus thing was kinda retarded, its all about the thrill of the hunt and the accomplishment of the pull and kill. limbus...its not even comparable, u can kite and its not possible to grab any links aka 1 person killing 18. and that last statement...you find ppl credible who know how to play their job in a normal array of circumstances and have knowledgable interactions with other jobs? that sounds like a good, nice player...nothing to do with credibility. you can be that person and not have 1 person know you at all. credibility is ppl knowing you and believing the shit that you say.

[orson]

Savageboy you're so full of crap, not every LS's goal is to strive for fafnir thus the huge push for SE to put alternative methods in for obtaining the gear off them. Not only that but complete and utter newbs with good bots and 50+ people shells kill fafnir all the time being able to waste up to 3 hrs every day on 1 mob is simply a luxury. Beating fafnir is not hard and slowly but surely kings' gear is getting less and less important. Again the only kind of credibility you'll receive from killing fafnir is simply about information regarding that mob which can easily as watching a video of it being killed on youtube.

[savageboy]

you're retarded and butthurt b/c u cant pull in aery...period
an ls that refuses to do kings is an ls that no one wants to be in, except crybabies

[orson]

you're retarded and butthurt b/c u cant pull in aery...period
an ls that refuses to do kings is an ls that no one wants to be in, except crybabies

Or possibly we just don't care to waste our time doing kings when we can spend our time getting our Plds Bahamut Masks, everyone salvage gear, and generally funner things that don't require you to waste 3 hrs in a lag hell hole at 5 am in morning. Obviously to me you're just an asshole who can't comprehend that some people just don't find kings fun to do.

[Lordwafik]

nah its not like that its just kinda i dunno...coming from you.
i dunno why ppl being so technical. the limbus thing was kinda retarded, its all about the thrill of the hunt and the accomplishment of the pull and kill. limbus...its not even comparable, u can kite and its not possible to grab any links aka 1 person killing 18. and that last statement...you find ppl credible who know how to play their job in a normal array of circumstances and have knowledgable interactions with other jobs? that sounds like a good, nice player...nothing to do with credibility. you can be that person and not have 1 person know you at all. credibility is ppl knowing you and believing the shit that you say.

Yeah well sorry to burst your bubble, I don't count camping as part of killing fafnir.

Considering that :

The question asked was, Do you need to have killed fafnir/nidhogg to be considered a credible endgame player?

I am only talking about killing it. Not claiming, killing. Not going to count claim as part of the kill, unless the original question is rephrased to "Do you need to have claimed and killed fafnir/nidhogg".

Whether or not you regard claiming as part of killing fafnir is beside the point, whether or not you find it accomplishing to pull or kill it is beside the point, as is the rush of running to aery. They are not asking for your emotions, they are not asking for your love and devotion, they are asking your opinion of how you would answer the question.


Back to lfg'ing as RDM with a "No RDM for you, as I get no invites on BLU!" search comment because I am an assjacket.

[savageboy]

yes but obviously they do mean claiming and killing...not involving lolimbus
imo the ansewr is painfully yes...simply prove me wrong, who is someone credible here who isnt a fafnir slayer

and orson...why not have both? cry more

[LD]

Yes, because getting to a zone 30 minutes before window and waiting 1-4 hours for your designated bot to go off is the very definition of thrill and challenge and is certainly a measure of ones credibility, as it is sure-fire means of seeing how 'good' they are....


Yea...

[savageboy]

if u were the one who was running and got there 2nd or stared at darters for 3 hrs just to see a bot get it, and came back the next day, and the next, and the next, til u got it, and killed it...yes that makes you credible in my book
and for god sakes please read...claiming and killing fafnir doesnt make u credible. the question is...do you have to have killed it to be credible. (not does killing fafnir make u credible)

[LD]

No, it makes you persistent. Any retard can throw himself against a wall over and over and still not make a dent, if you catch my meaning.

[orson]

yes but obviously they do mean claiming and killing...not involving lolimbus
imo the ansewr is painfully yes...simply prove me wrong, who is someone credible here who isnt a fafnir slayer

and orson...why not have both? cry more

Claiming is BS any good bot can out claim an average player.

Why not have both? Well when people are actually commited to family, friends, school, or work it's a lot easier to dictate when your events happen as opposed to having your events dictate when you need to be on making FFXI a lot more enjoyable of a game for many people. Obviously though you're right no one wants to be in my LS it's not like we're one of the longest running HNMLSs on the server. You're right that people who want to camp kings don't apply to our shell because we specifically say that isn't a major effort for us in this game.

[savageboy]

o shi...u read the opening statement when u pressed play...heres a cookie, you are special

if you dont think part of being credible is being persistent...then ok

[Delekii]

if u were the one who was running and got there 2nd or stared at darters for 3 hrs just to see a bot get it, and came back the next day, and the next, and the next, til u got it, and killed it...yes that makes you credible in my book

Credible in what? How many times have you needed someone to reliably tell you how to get to Aery and stand still for 3 hours?

Fairly obviously, the credibility comes in the knowing how to do something, and pulling is not difficult. Neither is the fight, but at least you have to know how to do that. The concept of pulling a HNM is quite simple - cast and action on it before anyone else, and you win. Obviously there are people that bot, and people that run $5000 no lag machines, but when it comes down to it, the most retarded person on earth can credibly tell you how to pull Fafnir.

"Credibility" in most of FFXI is a joke in any event. It's like people who say "you haven't played WAR, so don't tell me that I shouldnt merit Defender and Aggresive Aim!" 95% of what you need to know can be easily read, and hence I would much rather talk to a smart person who hasn't done shit in endgame, but has done their research, than a stupid person who has done it all, but still doesn't know shit.

[orson]

o shi...u read the opening statement when u pressed play...heres a cookie, you are special

No it's just a lot of people actually have real lives obviously you don't seem to think that's important. You know you're kinda sad trying to mock someone for actually wanting to put their life in front of a game.

[LD]

if you dont think part of being credible is being persistent...then ok

Part of it? Yes.
All of it? No.


aaaaaand thanks for playing.

[Lhexh]

yes but obviously they do mean claiming and killing...not involving lolimbus
imo the ansewr is painfully yes...simply prove me wrong, who is someone credible here who isnt a fafnir slayer

and orson...why not have both? cry more

The linkshell I lead doesn't camp Fafnir anymore, actually we don't camp any kings anymore and have no interest in going back period. We make that quite clear to anyone who tries to apply to us but that doesn't seem to stop mass numbers of people on-server and cross-server from applying to us daily so obviously Fafnir isn't the end-all-be-all to endgame to everyone.

Just for the record I have over 400 Fafnir kills and 25 Ridills under my belt and as far as I'm concerned killing Fafnir means little in the grand scheme of things. Fafnir is a focal point of so many people just because of a Ridill which is probably the most overrated item in the game. I'd estimate over 80% of them go to people with jobs that make poor use of them or to WARs who gimp the hell out of them and can't outparse non-BB MNK/NINs making them a complete waste.

Some people want to argue that you don't need skill to be credible, but as far as I'm concerned in FFXI the only way to be credible is to be skilled because everything is so damn easy in this game. Just because I've killed almost every NM in this game doesn't make me credible, just because I have a Ninurta's Sash doesn't make me credible, but because I actually understand why we execute stragegies the way we do and how to make proper use of the gear I've obtained makes me credible. This follows the previous statement I made about Ridill, just killing Fafnir and getting a Ridill doesn't make you credible but knowing how to put that Ridill to good use does.

[savageboy]

im trying so hard not to pull the real life card here...but there are also ppl who do the same, AND do fafnir. some ppl have bigger priorities whats your point? everyone who claims fafnir has no life?

yes but how can you know how to put it to use if you've never killed the mob that drops it

you guys are just making technical points to make me wrong...theres not one thing that makse you credible. its not black and white, but having camped and killed fafnir (at any given time) along with kings sea sky and a whole bunch of other shit. forming strategies, gettin together with other ls's doing things the new way, better, faster, smarter, that makes you credible. but fuckin killing kings is part of that you cant leave that out

[Almalexia]

This thread is incredible.

[savageboy]

if you dont think part of being credible is being persistent...then ok

talking out of my ass: yes
making a point: no

aaaaaand im still playing with myself.

fixed

[orson]

im trying so hard not to pull the real life card here...but there are also ppl who do the same, AND do fafnir. some ppl have bigger priorities whats your point? everyone who claims fafnir has no life?

yes but how can you know how to put it to use if you've never killed the mob that drops it

Actually many people who claim Fafnir often rely on other people who don't have lives to do so. To successfully camp kings you need 1 of 2 things a group of people with no lives so they can get every ToD and be at every camp or have a huge LS that has many people in many different TZs most LSs that do kings usually have both. If our members feel like camping kings we would but seriously there is just no interest not sure as to why it's so hard for you to grasp that.

Anyone with half a brain and does like 15-20 minutes of research can easily find out whether any item is useful and how to put it to use. The amount of ridill Wars that walk around in Adaman Feet makes me laugh.

[Delekii]

yes but how can you know how to put it to use if you've never killed the mob that drops it

By reading any of the 5 godzillion threads with parses about this setup or that camp or getting the most out of xxx or which of these items should I use or... whatever. There is very little new information about FFXI, and Fafnir is as old as fucking Monopoly. Anyone with a brain can know exactly how to fight Fafnir before they set foot in Boyahda, if they want to.