Public opinion: Is dynamis too expensive?

[Alleya]

Depressed economies across all servers, falling currency prices, rapidly multiplying demand for the event due to the ease of gaining 75 in ToAU, ridiculously low drop rates on AF...is 2 mil a week just too much to ask now? What can linkshells do to keep up the cost without sacrificing all their other events for gil farming? Is it a big enough deal to bug square about it? Yes/No? Why?

I personally think the fee is prohibitively expensive these days. Back ~2 years ago when a linkshell could waltz out of sky with tens of millions of gil in its pocket and sell the currency for 40-50k a piece upon doing dynamis it was perfectly reasonable to pay a mil for an hour glass, even trivial. But now with prices plummeting across the board, either through square's decision (hi2u dragon talon) or economic realities (10k a shot for currency on bahamut), it's simply gotten out of hand.

What say you? Speak out!

[Darkmessenger]

I agree, Dynamis is too expensive for this economy. It's very hard to make milions and millions of gil for an occupied HNMLS these days. If SE were to lower the pirce to let's say 500-600k I would be more than happy.

[happydude]

I would much rather see instancing of dynamis zones over a decrease in hourglass price -_-

[Amele]

I voted that it is too high, but should stay the same, unless square makes a change to how dynamis entry works;

lowering the fee on limbus congested several limbus zones during popular NA times (EST/PST) on my server, and since it's even easier to get access to dynamis (pretty much every level 75 player has dynamis clearance) any significant decrease in the price of the hourglass has the potential to cause the same problem in dynamis zones.

Ideally, SE would be able to moderately instance (I think 2 copies of each city and outlands, with 3 copies of xarc might be enough - you can even give us a zone select dialog: Dynamis-Jeuno A Dynamis-Jeuno B) and lower the price of a glass (100k today is closest to what 1million was in 2004 on most servers, but I'd take 500k too) but realistically, I don't think it will happen.

[BRP]

It's fine the way it is. SE should release more ways to add gil into the game. If you lower it, when inflation makes a comeback, it'll be too low.

In short: Use some foresight for once people.

[Sanjiyan]

Yes, by virtues of lame ass CoP dynamis.

[Starr]

Relics for everyone pls.

[Tricen]

They should just make it upon completing the zone, you get a refund or something. Or make dynamis more worthwhile with better money drops?

[Alleya]

Relics for everyone pls.

This is arguably already happening. Today it would take roughly 175mil to upgrade an expensive relic, compared to 500+M 2 years ago.

[Guyverarmor]

Kinda agree with BRP on this one. keep It the same, but introduce more gil making ways, but then that means RMT ( I would think)

[Axil]

Who cares just give me gil

[Lordender]

I voted no, because lowering the glass price = more idiots walking away with relic's as if there isn't enough of them already who completely fail at their job but have a relic weapon. I think if the glass price were lower the more of an increased sponsorship will show up and complete relic's alot faster than SE would want it to.

[Teorem]

It is absolutely too high for our current economy.

I would say that it's very unlikely for any linkshell, public or not, to be bringing in 64 people consistently to Dynamis these days and sharing an even split of the hourglass (15625 gil). The cost of the synthesis items that drop are all at lows, and most linkshells are pooling their currency for relic upgrading and not bringing back in gil to cover the hourglass cost through that either. Our linkshell has already taken measures to offset the cost by asking our members to pay a flat rate to attend, but to be honest, I'm really not happy with having to do that.

I was disappointed to hear that they wouldn't consider lowering the cost for the Timeless Hourglass but would for Cosmo-Cleanse because of concerns for "congestion." It's clear they realize that gil-based, non-instanced content (Limbus) is too expensive on an individual basis, but with the three-day control on re-entry and the fact that Dynamis is more than likely the longest-running endgame event that most players already participate in, it seems that not doing anything for the reason they gave is just a cop-out for not being able to consider the potential economic impact of that kind of gilsink being less effective.

I'm not holding my breath, but hourglasses at 500k or 600k would allow us to do so much more without me having to worry about our budget.

To those arguing about lack of "foresight" when suggesting a decrease: I use plenty of foresight when looking at how much this event costs our linkshell and when trying to gauge just how long members are going to be willing to pay. SE has already indicated that they are not going to increase drops in either type of Dynamis, so something else has to give. Can you honestly say that something like Dynamis-Tavnazia--with its incredible returns--is worth 55556 gil per member per run? Have you even been to Dynamis-Tavnazia?

[Amele]

Relics for everyone pls.

This is arguably already happening. Today it would take roughly 175mil to upgrade an expensive relic, compared to 500+M 2 years ago.

it's actually going the other way, relics are becoming less affordable. you forgot to adjust for inflation:

going by the baseline figures from FFXIAH (and a bit of my own observation to correlate it) the average server has experienced between 85-90% deflation since mid 2004 (slightly before 'IGE' christmas)

so 175M today, is the equivalent of 1,750M in 2004.

relics were *most* affordable in nov 2005, to jan 2007, if you could get your coins directly from dynamis drops (whose cost has remained static at approximately 100-120 glasses depending on outlands/icelands mix) because the relative value of even simple player market items was so high compared to the npc economy. (a 60 smither could generate 1 million gil in a little under 2hours sitting at the AH desynthing.)

[Skeetaru]

Relics arent supposed to be easily attainable, and there are plenty of ways to make money in this game, im tired of people crying about not making money yet they dont go out of their way to get it, go farm, camp a more random NM, sell some whiteboxes. Dynamis is fine.

[Suiram]

So much of Dynamis can be done with 6 people, lowering the price on glass is just going to encourage more small farming groups and congest the zones more than they already are. The vast majority of Dynamis groups seem to prefer going on some weekday evening + weekend afternoon combo. On Pandemonium that means if you search Dynamis zones in those times for NA, 3 of the 4 cities, both Northlands, and a CoP zone usually has someone in it. If you search those hours for JP usually all Zilart zones as well as 3 of the 4 CoP zones have people in them. If you cut the price of hourglass let's say in half, it'd be analogous in its effect to halving the drop rate on water/diorite and doubling the pop timers on the sky triggers/curtana.

[Not Kuno]

Just drop the price, it's too much for stuff these days.

[BRP]

City runs pay for themselves. I think people are bawwwing over the fact you can't constantly do Xarcabard and turn up a profit. Just do City Run tours to pay for Northlands(or CoP).

To those arguing about lack of "foresight" when suggesting a decrease: I use plenty of foresight when looking at how much this event costs our linkshell and when trying to gauge just how long members are going to be willing to pay.

This isn't foresight.

[Teorem]

Why, because the scope of how far I'm looking is not just focused on the far reaches of the potential impact on the game as a whole?

I've already considered what may happen if participation in Dynamis generally increases: the cost of currency is lowered even more and we make less of a "profit" bringing us back to where we started. Servers already deal with multiple linkshells through calendaring (assuming people are civilized and work it out, maybe Phoenix is an exception to the rule). Do six-person runs take the full 3.5/2 hours alloted each time? People are concerned about relic weapons falling into the hands of less desireable players, but if you look at the recent numbers about fourth and fifth-stage upgraders from the last census, they're obviously not rare anymore.

However, none of that will matter if the people stop going to Dynamis because it continues to be as expensive as it is now.

You clearly haven't done Dynamis often at all (or deal much with finances of linkshells participating in it regularly) if you think cycles of city runs actually come close to paying for Beaucedine and CoP zones. Xarcabard can potentially pay for itself if you clear the Dynamis Lord and get a random 100-piece during the run.

Edit: allowed for possibility of underestimation of experience

[Quizno]

Dynamis is fine both in drop rate and cost.