Public opinion: Is dynamis too expensive?

[Intense]

Relics arent supposed to be easily attainable, and there are plenty of ways to make money in this game, im tired of people crying about not making money yet they dont go out of their way to get it, go farm, camp a more random NM, sell some whiteboxes. Dynamis is fine.

If you sell a whitebox for a relic, Xavier will come after you!

[LD]

Who are the assholes who said it should cost more? ;x

SE has hinted that it wouldn't be impossible to change Dynamis (or Limbus) to the Assault format, so if a price drop came along with that, it wouldn't be a problem. Hell, simply lowering the wait time would make schedule conflicts much less of an issue. Once every 2 days for 500~600k sounds good.

[Sanjiyan]

If nothing else they should just make a separate cheaper hourglass for CoP dynamis zones.

[Norellicus]

City runs pay for themselves. I think people are bawwwing over the fact you can't constantly do Xarcabard and turn up a profit. Just do City Run tours to pay for Northlands(or CoP).

To those arguing about lack of "foresight" when suggesting a decrease: I use plenty of foresight when looking at how much this event costs our linkshell and when trying to gauge just how long members are going to be willing to pay.

This isn't foresight.

QFT; I'm not a sackholder(hourglass sponsor) for my Dynamis shell , but am good friends with several of them...and the leadership practically has to make a rotation schedule for those city runs because you walk in spending 1mil and walk out with 3-4mil in currency (and the only time this doesn't happen is when we lose due to a freak accident). Not bad for 4 hours of mindless slaughter.

Dynamis is fine, at least for now. It may someday suffer the same fate as Limbus, but I don't see that happening for a while.

[BerenTebogo]

I think the price keeps every tom, dick & harry from being able to start a dyn LS and sponsor every run til they get relic and break.

I think yes, it's expensive, but in all honesty if they lower it all thats gonna happen is every instance is gonna get cockblocked by waves of noobs lined up for "All AF free - all run free - Currency to me!" dynamis shells.

And even if you're not in a shell that sponsor, average run shouldn't be running you more than 20-30k 2x a week. If you can't pull that, well, you have deeper problems besides how to afford your dynamis runs, a 2 hour XP session if you dont go 59/60 inventory should get you at least 15k gil alone.

[BRP]

City Dynamis does pay for itself and any profit from it can go for less profitable areas. Pretty always get an average of 200~ currency and 1 100 piece from a city run. Dynamis-San d'Oria can sometimes fund up to two Northland runs if you get lucky enough. Worst comes to worst, assuming the LS isn't just Dynamis, bank a Sky or NM drop or two.

And your "foresight" is looking at the current problem, not what may come after you solve that problem.

If Dynamis was only 500k or even less, imagine the bottleneck at the Northlands... it would actually be worse than it is now. If Dynamis was low enough, parties of 6 would hold areas to farm... someone pitch this grand idea to the RMT when it happens.

EDIT: Oh and the poll is just wonderful. Really shows you the majority knows what it's doing. Reminds me of the "Should we have Job Forums?" poll.

[Intense]

Alla brainstorm time: What about adopting the idea from Limbus of everyone purchasing a Key Item(Hourglass) from NPC, purchasable by X amount of Conquest points?

Make it cost enough to not have it overcrowded, but encourage exping in old zones.

[Khamsin]

You forgot the "Yes, and it should cost more" and "No, but it should be lowered" options.

[BerenTebogo]

Alla brainstorm time: What about adopting the idea from Limbus of everyone purchasing a Key Item(Hourglass) from NPC, purchasable by X amount of Conquest points?

Make it cost enough to not have it overcrowded, but encourage exping in old zones.

It's already crowded as it is and apparently 67% of the people think it's TOO expensive. If it was 500k I could sit in SSG for 8 hours as NIN/THF and hold xarc with a party of 6 twice a week to farm my valor body.

Now I'm not that selfish, but with every other topic being posted on forums being about someone hacking / stealing / assfucking someone else, do you really think people arent gonna fuck up your northlands runs w/o a second thought?

If anything, raise it to 2 mil, scare some people away and make people farm an extra hour a week. Boo hoo.

Edit: For the record I voted No, It should stay the same, but if SE released a poll about whether it should cost more or not, I'd happily vote yes.

If people can't afford to do 20-30k per person dynamis twice a week then they obviously have never heard of Beastman seals, Kindred seals, ENMs, or even god fucking damn mining, buy some NQ field gear and get off your asses wow.

[BRP]

HUH? WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T PAY FOR DYNAMIS IF I JUST SPEND MY ENTIRE PLAYTIME BETWEEN CAMPS STARING AT WALLS IN WHITEGATE?!?!?!?!

[Spider-Dan]

Hasn't Squenix stated (at some point in the past) that they don't necessarily intend everyone and their mother to be able to enter (or afford entering, if you like) Dynamis twice a week?

Two-Dynamis-a-week is a privilege, not a right.

[LD]

Hasn't Squenix stated (at some point in the past) that they don't necessarily intend everyone and their mother to be able to enter (or afford entering, if you like) Dynamis twice a week?

Two-Dynamis-a-week is a privilege, not a right.

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*Whoreslap*


SE didn't intend to suck, but maybe they should try working on that too.

'Privilege'....Christ in a canoe...

[BerenTebogo]

Hasn't Squenix stated (at some point in the past) that they don't necessarily intend everyone and their mother to be able to enter (or afford entering, if you like) Dynamis twice a week?

Two-Dynamis-a-week is a privilege, not a right.

.....
*Whoreslap*


SE didn't intend to suck, but maybe they should try working on that too.

'Privilege'....Christ in a canoe...

Why not, isn't it a privilege to be in a good shell that does events anyways? There's no reason that just because you pay your monthly fee everyone else should roll out a fucking carpet so that your tribute to gimpocity or laziness can get xarc gear (not you specifically I just mean people who think it's their god given right to do dynamis or limbus)

Most people with good / rare gear and skill have put in at least a little bit of work to craft, farm, level subs etc etc so they can always make events.

If you can't do the same, then level every job to 75, sit in WG with your maat's cap and stare at walls I don't give a shit.

[LD]

Maybe, but it doesn't mean a small group that is perfectly capable of doing a dynamis run should have to pay a sum that's based on a long since passed economical state, even if they're able to. Just because it's easier for a larger group to make a fair sum of money doesn't mean they earned it any more than the smaller group.

[BerenTebogo]

Maybe, but it doesn't mean a small group that is perfectly capable of doing a dynamis run should have to pay a sum that's based on a long since passed economical state, even if they're able to.

Well it's all relative, do you want to farm with 6 people some night? Fine, go for it, I hope you get drops off every NM.

But if price is lowered, dynamis will be cockblocked, period.

It's been 1mil since doing quests for 2000gil was AMAZING gil. Since LS's pooled gil to do Dynamis-Bastok to try to learn about it and wiped 15 minutes in, even stayed at 1mil when 1 mil was the price of a stack of earth crystals during xmas 2005.

It's been static, any change would cause chaos, I mean every major dynamis LS on fenrir collaborates so we dont cockblock each other, and yet every time some fucknut starts up a new dyn LS somebody ends up fucked on a run. (those are the days I get extra CoP dynamis so I'm happy, but still)

[Amele]

It's been 1mil since doing quests for 2000gil was AMAZING gil. Since LS's pooled gil to do Dynamis-Bastok to try to learn about it and wiped 15 minutes in, even stayed at 1mil when 1 mil was the price of a stack of earth crystals during xmas 2005.

2000gil was never amazing gil during the lifetime of NA release FFXI. you (and most of us) just think it was because 5-7k/hr seemed like omfg gil at level 30 when we were farming tiger fangs and hides. (or silk threads etc).

sky system (with shining cloth drops that were never less than 7-8 million until mid-late 2006 on most servers, behe hides, d.ingots etc.) and avatar runs were in place by the time Dynamis was introduced.

again, using the average price of v.claw, d.ingot, d.log, and s.cloth as the index; dynamis is approximately 10 times as expensive relative to the player economy as it was when it was first introduced.

[LD]

I'm pretty sure I explained this on the first page. Making the Dynamis wait time shorter is obviously the first thing they should do. Even if they didn't, the world wouldn't collapse. If you have some semblance of order now, odds are you'll have it with a lower price. People already go in small groups, all a cost change would do is make it *gasp* cheaper.

Knowledge of Dynamis has advanced to the point where it can be done with fewer people, making 64-man runs ridiculous. This, coupled with deflation, has made the 1m cost completely unnecessary. We should not be taxed for our skill.


Friggin' people and their fear of even positive change...

[Sanjiyan]

Back when gil was plentiful and people walked around carrying 8 digit bank accounts during holiday season of 2005, dynamis was relatively cheap but still wasn't super crowded. I don't see how lowering the price will some how cause a huge case of cockblock like some of you people exaggerate. If someone wants to low man dynamis and thus block others, so be it. It's their freedom. Same thing happened in limbus initially and everyone complained but look at limbus now; solo/duo-ers in limbus isn't that big a problem.

If anything will happen it's that dynamis currency will be plentiful, will end up cheaper as a result (and a new equilibrium established between dynamis cost and currency cost, which will end up discouraging low man groups anyway since they cannot farm as much as normal groups), AF2 will be more plentiful (as if it isn't already), and there will be more upgraded relics around. If you're sole reason for objecting is that you don't want more upgraded relics around, that's a retarded reason.

[Lordender]

I see people having 2 options.

1. farm, craft, your ass off to be able to afford your split-cost dynamis LS.

2. find an all in one LS that does their own dynamis runs and pay thru a LS bank.

My ls does our own dynamis, i havent paid for it 2+ years. We merc random player's cloud evokers and give them all the money drops off ouryu but take the monarch orb and practically fund dynamis off money drops from that and occasional cerberus kills(good money in him as well)

[BerenTebogo]

Back when gil was plentiful and people walked around carrying 8 digit bank accounts during holiday season of 2005, dynamis was relatively cheap but still wasn't super crowded. I don't see how lowering the price will some how cause a huge case of cockblock like some of you people exaggerate. If someone wants to low man dynamis and thus block others, so be it. It's their freedom. Same thing happened in limbus initially and everyone complained but look at limbus now; solo/duo-ers in limbus isn't that big a problem.

If anything will happen it's that dynamis currency will be plentiful, will end up cheaper as a result (and a new equilibrium established between dynamis cost and currency cost, which will end up discouraging low man groups anyway since they cannot farm as much as normal groups), AF2 will be more plentiful (as if it isn't already), and there will be more upgraded relics around. If you're sole reason for objecting is that you don't want more upgraded relics around, that's a retarded reason.

Player base at 75 has at least tripled since 2005, that's why it wasn't as crowded but I get your point.

and to LD if they fix the instancedcy (that's totally not a word lol) then by all means I'm with you, make it cheaper gogo, but I'm against it as it is currently. I'd love to see multiple instances of same dynamis or a smaller wait time, that'd be amazing.