Battle System Adjustments (08/14/2007)

[FinalJustice]

You haven't stopped being a tard about this for pages now, You have still yet to provide a reasonable argument WHY smns SHOULDN'T be adjusted. Nothing you have provided makes your argument for you. You're only glimmer of hope is to throw smns at things melee can do better, yes lets throw more smns at Kirin while we are at it. weeee

[Ryko]

So I'm guessing you're dodging the question because, yes, you did in fact pull that 3 hour figure straight from the depths of your colon. I even cited which HNMs I was talking about so bringing up Kirin, a mob perpetually stuck at 300% TP, is a non-sequitur almost not even worth responding to. I'm not the one who started the recent chain of responses that brought us to this point (granted I've been perpetuating other arguments otherwise because all of your claims as to why smn is in a situation by itself are ridiculous).

Because only a retarded dumb ass would think SMN is SO fucking awesome that its the BEST thing to throw at HNM..
Yea unique indeed.

That's what I responded to, you said it, don't act like I started this little exchange.

It's also starting to become rather obvious that you're a jeunojockey if you can't distinguish 1 HNM's behavior from another.

So you're telling me 7 DD's that can output 400-1k damage every 48 seconds would take 3 hours to kill tia khim or cerb, that's what you're saying.

[evilpaul]

Yeah then you hit level 50 and are back to not being a gil-spamming retard.

oh and

Wow, you should level NIN on Hades. You'd fit in with the rest of the Utsus-onry retards who don't hold hate for shit.

As much as Ryko, Beckwin, and yourself would like to ignore it slapping /WHM on PLD or BLU or any job with MP works as well as SMN/WHM.

The only one of us 3 who even argued that point was beckwin and he slapped it down by mentioning the other 2 jobs can't haste party members. When he did you were like "omg bring up something else". Why does he have to? It's a perfectly valid reason, I dont see the point in making him change the subject when he soundly contradicted you.

No, it just shows both of your glaring ignorance of SMN in EXP/meritpo. Post-Crawler's Nest, Cure IV and another Cure III becomes somewhat important to have around because mobs can do massive damage in a short amount of time with their TP moves. More than you can heal spamming Cure 3 (or even alternating with Cure 2 while 3's timer cools down).

Have fun with your SMN healer with no Cure IV on Erucas (along with the gimped Enhancing Magic). Or on a Sickle Slash. Or on a Fang Rush or Rushing Drab. Or even a Pecking Flurry on a zerked (and/or Counterstanced) melee. Or with a retard who doesn't know they still can cast :Ichi after level 74.

SMN mainhealing has never meant "the only person in the party with a Cure spell", but why would someone who just craps on SMN and whines about WAR/MNK needing updates (and refusing to aknowledge all the new shit they got) know that? Guess what other job that probably means who can cast Haste as well as Refresh and has an A+ in Enfeebling Magic?

So, you've read about this where as you say your LS doesn't use SMNs?

We don't, at what point in any of that does it imply we do? Like I said, we're an exception because we're probably the melee heaviest HNMLS on any server and definitely the heaviest on ours.

Yeah, it just points out what bullshit you're spouting. "Don't improve SMN at all in any way because it's zomguberwtfbbqawesome on Tiamat and Khimaira so much that it's also completely unnecessary there." Makes perfect sense.

wow smn get's 99% of it's invites from 1-75 exping based on the role their subjob provides

Wow hey so do ninjas, when's the last time you invited one to set up blade: chi or hojo the mob for leet slow skills again?

Well, you only aknowledge people can play Ninja as a gimp DD with Provoke, so why would you?

[Koyangi]

wow smn get's 99% of it's invites from 1-75 exping based on the role their subjob provides

Wow hey so do ninjas, when's the last time you invited one to set up blade: chi or hojo the mob for leet slow skills again?

hardly the same thing, if the NIN was invited because it subbed war, then it wouldnt cast shadows, woops it will and does, and it DD's with A- skills etc already mentioned stuff so it clearly does it's main job functions. Reread my outline and you'll see smn not fulfilling anything in it's role besides /whm for 99% of it's invites.

[FinalJustice]

Because 90% of your argument is made up BS that NO ONE is fucking arguing, THATS why you're a tard.

[Not Kuno]

mean who in their right mind would want a mob, especially 2 of which get a new move at a critical point in its life, to not gain tp?

That's the players choice on how to deal with the mob. Fulmination can get stunned. Gates can get stunned. And oh boy like 3-4 mobs TOPs, thats totally such an overpowered job that never gets seen in the 95% of normal HNM and regular ffxi play.

[Ryko]

Wow, you should level NIN on Hades. You'd fit in with the rest of the Utsus-onry retards who don't hold hate for shit.

My nin's been 75 for well over a year and hate gain is definitely not my weak point in any situation on any job I'm on, I pulled with the only enfeeble I used on the way to 75, hojo, because mobs died rather quickly. The last thing you want to question is my ability to play this simple mindless game, especially on a job that needs to A) do damage and b) keep a mob's attention. It'll get you nowhere even if it had validity, which frankly it doesn't.

Yeah, it just points out what bullshit you're spouting. "Don't improve SMN at all in any way because it's zomguberwtfbbqawesome on Tiamat and Khimaira so much that it's also completely unnecessary there." Makes perfect sense.

Because we're accustomed to using melees, it's what we do, it doesn't change that every other LS on the server smn bombs the shit out of the mobs.

Well, you only aknowledge people can play Ninja as a gimp DD with Provoke, so why would you?

Because in EXP it's a gimp DD with provoke, that's it's deal. No ninja in the history of ever would come close to what a pimped monk or warrior is going to do, and no amount of meritmonkey jinjas telling you otherwise is going to change that.

hardly the same thing, if the NIN was invited because it subbed war, then it wouldnt cast shadows, woops it will and does,

That's like saying if a WAR/NIN were invited for its shadows it wouldn't voke. They work together.

Because 90% of your argument is made up BS that NO ONE is fucking arguing, THATS why you're a tard.

Because only a retarded dumb ass would think SMN is SO fucking awesome that its the BEST thing to throw at HNM..
Yea unique indeed.

Yeah, no one.

That's the players choice on how to deal with the mob. Fulmination can get stunned. Gates can get stunned. And oh boy like 3-4 mobs TOPs, thats totally such an overpowered job that never gets seen in the 95% of normal HNM and regular ffxi play.

What HNMs do you do aside from khim cerb fafnir and tiamat again that don't reside in some remnants? Just wanna make sure, you're not exactly rocking D ring attempts and I swear the only dalmy I even vaguely remember seeing is on sendoh.

[FinalJustice]

Again made up statements no one is saying...

[Ryko]

You said it, I responded directly to something you said. You're saying you didn't explicitly state the quote I've posted 3 times in the last 2 pages. It didn't happen, right?

[Toth]

What HNMs do you do aside from khim cerb fafnir and tiamat again that don't reside in some remnants? Just wanna make sure, you're not exactly rocking D ring attempts and I swear the only dalmy I even vaguely remember seeing is on sendoh.

The Rykoshet school of thought: Having pltheora of gear from botted HNms means you and your shell are 'good' lol Isn't their a Galka with a certain shield on our server...

But thats deviating from the discussion >.>

[Not Kuno]

So what I'm hearing from the SMNs in this topic is that SMN is useless for HNMs and EXP.

So why did you level it?

Because it was supposedly a really strong job but it was before alot of people knew about its flaws (I leveled it in 2004). Stuff like "too far away", 1 minute recast and other crap.


As for dalms we have Nikkei, Sendoh, Slone, Curtis and theres probably some more active atm. There are other ffxi events like 3 kings, dynamis, limbus, ein, salvage, most sea + sky stuff that have no use for SMN at all. Seeing as how most of that is bread and butter for most end game LSes (FYI they dont all camp kings or the 3day pop stuff).

[Ryko]

What HNMs do you do aside from khim cerb fafnir and tiamat again that don't reside in some remnants? Just wanna make sure, you're not exactly rocking D ring attempts and I swear the only dalmy I even vaguely remember seeing is on sendoh.

The Rykoshet school of thought: Having pltheora of gear from botted HNms means you and your shell are 'good' lol Isn't their a Galka with a certain shield on our server...

Toth, you have a person in your HNMLS that is a bought account renamed to replace the account HE lost because he wanted to download "gilseller secrets" and only had an adaberk because you teamed up with another shell AFTER he claimed the mob AFK. I didn't question kuno's shell's ability, I was asking what other HNMs they concentrated on regularly. Shut the fuck up.

[FinalJustice]

Explain how said quote refers in anyway what smns are wanting?

[Naygor]

Toth takes his pup to cerberus when he can go blm or smn. But I'm getting off topic.

[Ryko]

Explain how said quote refers in anyway what smns are wanting?

I don't believe I stated it does. You said I was responding to shit no one was saying. I responded directly to something YOU said and you dodged it 3 times then said no one was saying anything. Pick a side and stick with it.

[FinalJustice]

You have said over and over that ppl wanted smn to be omg uber fantastic the best at anything in the game.. which is made up bs.

[Toth]

Toth, you have a person in your HNMLS that is a bought account renamed to replace the account HE lost because he wanted to download "gilseller secrets" and only had an adaberk because you teamed up with another shell AFTER he claimed the mob AFK. I didn't question kuno's shell's ability, I was asking what other HNMs they concentrated on regularly. Shut the fuck up.

Therin's right. You can never stay on the topic at hand without bringing up something completely unrelated to prove your point. FYI, Ingwe's new account isnt bought but you'll believe whatever you want to sleep better at night.

Oh, and for the record, I bring BLU now to Cerberus.

[Kaslo]

SMN isn't invited to exp because of it's main job duties

Tanks: pld, nin, maybe war
DD: anything but smn will be invited for that role here
support: brd, cor, rdm will get this glory, ive seen smn invited for loldispelga before, but that's almost negligible to mention because it's rare as hell
main healing: whm, rdm, and smn/whm

wow smn get's 99% of it's invites from 1-75 exping based on the role their subjob provides, their main job brings absolutely nothing worthwhile to the table to be invited for where another job will do it much better.

invite a blm/whm and ask it to main heal, see how that goes, it would seem omgosh they get invited to actaully DD!

I actually requested to main heal on BLM if possible >.> but this was mainly to get the damn SJ done ;p but I did have some BLM main healers at higher levels.

Oh and did I notice SMN are complaining about having to be /whm onry... I guess BRDs should complain cause they are /whm or /nin onry, or PLD /war /nin onry, or WAR /nin onry, or ect. I guess you want to be allowed to /thf and SATA those sweet Staff WSs huh?

[Ryko]

You have said over and over that ppl wanted smn to be omg uber fantastic the best at anything in the game.. which is made up bs.

Actually beckwin did, I said that there are plenty of jobs in the game that excel at nothing or have gotten far less than SMN has in the last 3 years that could stand to be thrown a bone instead of pandering to a coddled job that wants to be better in exp. Keep up here skippy.

Therin's right. You can never stay on the topic at hand without bringing up something completely unrelated to prove your point. FYI, Ingwe's new account isnt bought but you'll believe whatever you want to sleep better at night.

Yeah he "got it at a party from someone who didn't need it", right? You're the one who acted like my question to kuno of what HNMs he camps regularly aside from the 4 mentioned was my trying to judge the shell's worth and YOU brought up the bot non-sequitur in an attempt to speak on my behalf and change the subject when you fail at speaking on your own. Of our 2 shells, one's claimed multiple nidhoggs afk, the other hasn't. Shut the fuck up.

[FinalJustice]

Kalso... that is not what ppl are arguing.

And Brd is not a /WHM 90% of its jobs life.