Bend over for Islam

[Neosutra]

Maybe atheists can start killing and looting and suicide bombing until the church decides to call God "No Such Thing."


Then all the worlds problems would be solved :D

We dont get 40 virgins when we died, else we probably would have started, out of sheer annoyance of mass ignorance. Though I dont see athiests standing up to riot anytime soon about the mass stupidity of the religious right, mostly because there are so damned many of them. Comparing numbers of atheists/agnostics to numbers of psychochristan/islam extremists isnt exactly a heartening feeling.

I finished my graduate degree in Alabama, and I think out of a class of 30 engineers, 29 thought evolution was a fraud from the devil..... I know its the south, so its a bad example. Just hard to see a good solution to raise the education standards of america when we have religious organizations fighting us at every turn saying how evil big bang cosmology is, and how evolution is a lie.

[MF Perm]

I finished my graduate degree in Alabama, and I think out of a class of 30 engineers, 29 thought evolution was a fraud from the devil.....

I don't know if that makes me sad or angry. I can't believe people still think shit like that. After all of the hard evidence supporting it, people would still rather choose ignorance. Well, I guess the saying is true though - ignorance is bliss.

[divisortheory]

I finished my graduate degree in Alabama, and I think out of a class of 30 engineers, 29 thought evolution was a fraud from the devil.....

I don't know if that makes me sad or angry. I can't believe people still think shit like that. After all of the hard evidence supporting it, people would still rather choose ignorance. Well, I guess the saying is true though - ignorance is bliss.

Even the pope supports it vocally, lol.

[Correction]

Even the pope supports it vocally, lol.

The South don't think much of Catholics, either.

[Neosutra]

Even the pope supports it vocally, lol.

The South don't think much of Catholics, either.

Ya, they dont just hate science/education/free thought, they also hate every other religion.

[Venture]

Even the pope supports it vocally, lol.

The South don't think much of Catholics, either.

We have something worse then extremist Islam down here in the south: Southern Baptist.

[Zilong]

Allah, God, is the same thing, that guy's idea doesnt make sense. I think that bishop needs to learn more about Arabic before going public like that. We're a litterbox alright, over an ocean of oil, you want? ofcourse you do

I think he understands that Allah means God, and that is the whole crux of his argument. Did you even read it?

That being said, they are not the same god. Does Allah have a son named Jesus Christ? Did Allah impregnate a woman named Mary? No, one of them exists, and one doesn't. Or if you're neither a Christian nor a Muslim, then neither of them exist.

Your confusion lies in the fact that the English name for "The one God" is just God. If his name wasn't God, but rather Frank, would you still say that Frank and Allah are the same thing?

Jesus Christ is known in the Islamic religion as Isa Al-masih, a prophet born from a virgin that creates many miracles and ultimately returned to heaven. Granted that the muslim doesn't state that he is the messiah or son of god, but hey, neither does the jews.

Christian, Judaism, and Muslim ultimately worship the same God of Abraham.

And frankly, "God" and "Allah" means pretty much the same thing, it's just a difference in language. The french christian call their God "Deux", japanese would call Him "Kami-sama", german "Gott", Indonesian "Allah"

Are you gonna say that those christian worship all different gods because they have different name?

[Ksandra]

Allah, God, is the same thing, that guy's idea doesnt make sense. I think that bishop needs to learn more about Arabic before going public like that. We're a litterbox alright, over an ocean of oil, you want? ofcourse you do

Does Allah have a son named Jesus Christ? Did Allah impregnate a woman named Mary?

Ummm yes he did/does that's our point. -.-; My family lives in Egypt, they speak Arabic obviously. They are also Christian and believe in Jesus Christ and Mary. Guess what they call God? Allah, because that's what Allah means.

Just how Jewish and chirstians both say God in english.

[Neosutra]

Even the pope supports it vocally, lol.

The South don't think much of Catholics, either.

We have something worse then extremist Islam down here in the south: Southern Baptist.

Have to agree, nothing beats the pure obtuseness, ignorance, and hatred of all other races/religions/cultures then Southern Baptists.

[Demosthenes11]

Even the pope supports it vocally, lol.

The South don't think much of Catholics, either.

We have something worse then extremist Islam down here in the south: Southern Baptist.

Have to agree, nothing beats the pure obtuseness, ignorance, and hatred of all other races/religions/cultures then Southern Baptists.

Cept maybe the people running planes into buildings?

[BRP]

The only thing more annoying than a religious fanatic is an atheist who is fanatical in his lack of belief.

[divisortheory]

They are also Christian and believe in Jesus Christ and Mary. Guess what they call God? Allah, because that's what Allah means.

If Muslims and Christians believe in gods A and B, where the circumstances surrounding the entire history of A and B are not precisely the same, they believe in different gods. If the circumstances surrounding A and B were precisely the same, why aren't they the same religion? Therefore they believe in different gods.

That's my take on it anyway.

Regardless, I have a better idea. Christians and Muslims should both start calling God "bog". That's the word for god in Croatian, therefore neither group has to take sides, and they can both feel equally stupid.

[Demosthenes11]

They are also Christian and believe in Jesus Christ and Mary. Guess what they call God? Allah, because that's what Allah means.

If Muslims and Christians believe in gods A and B, where the circumstances surrounding the entire history of A and B are not precisely the same, they believe in different gods. If the circumstances surrounding A and B were precisely the same, why aren't they the same religion? Therefore they believe in different gods.

That's my take on it anyway.

Regardless, I have a better idea. Christians and Muslims should both start calling God "bog". That's the word for god in Croatian, therefore neither group has to take sides, and they can both feel equally stupid.

Until Croatia is bombed into submission

[Ksandra]

They are also Christian and believe in Jesus Christ and Mary. Guess what they call God? Allah, because that's what Allah means.

If Muslims and Christians believe in gods A and B, where the circumstances surrounding the entire history of A and B are not precisely the same, they believe in different gods. If the circumstances surrounding A and B were precisely the same, why aren't they the same religion? Therefore they believe in different gods.

That's my take on it anyway.

Regardless, I have a better idea. Christians and Muslims should both start calling God "bog". That's the word for god in Croatian, therefore neither group has to take sides, and they can both feel equally stupid.

it isn't the same god, I'm talking about the word itself.

Basically what your saying is we can't call a horse a horse because they're are many different breeds of horses. Even people who don't like animals at all would still call it a horse just because that's it's word. Dunno how to explain it any more basic than that -.-;

[Neosutra]

The only thing more annoying than a religious fanatic is an atheist who is fanatical in his lack of belief.

Nothing fanatical about being annoyed at the general education level of the populace or taking a step back to examine the disadvantages of the major religions. Whens the last time atheists killed hundreds/thousands of people for not believing them? I cant think of a dozen times muslims/christians have done it.

[Mayareira]

Maybe atheists can start killing and looting and suicide bombing until the church decides to call God "No Such Thing."


Then all the worlds problems would be solved :D

I finished my graduate degree in Alabama, and I think out of a class of 30 engineers, 29 thought evolution was a fraud from the devil.....

Let me guess. 30th engineer got hit by a truck while crossing the street, right?

[Zilong]

They are also Christian and believe in Jesus Christ and Mary. Guess what they call God? Allah, because that's what Allah means.

If Muslims and Christians believe in gods A and B, where the circumstances surrounding the entire history of A and B are not precisely the same, they believe in different gods. If the circumstances surrounding A and B were precisely the same, why aren't they the same religion? Therefore they believe in different gods.

That's my take on it anyway.

Regardless, I have a better idea. Christians and Muslims should both start calling God "bog". That's the word for god in Croatian, therefore neither group has to take sides, and they can both feel equally stupid.

The way I see things, it's like the sun.

People of many part of the world call it many different name, and prior to the whole understanding of the astrological system, they all have many different story of the sun's origin and nature.

But does that mean they refer to a different sun?

The way I see it, it's just a matter of interpretation of 2 different culture that is passed down as tradition.

They both believe in the same god of Abraham, that much is true.

But with the constant warfare and hatred between the 2 side, one can conclude that if that God exist, he sure have a taste for conflict.

[divisortheory]

The way I see things, it's like the sun.

People of many part of the world call it many different name, and prior to the whole understanding of the astrological system, they all have many different story of the sun's origin and nature.

But does that mean they refer to a different sun?

I disagree. When you refer to "the sun" you use the indefinite article "the" in the front. I have no qualms about telling Christiams that might as well say "God is the one and only allah", because you're still referring to him by name as "god". But the words "God" and "Allah" both have evolved into not only the only word that can be used to described the concept in their respective languages, but also the name of the entity. It is both.

[Izzy]

The most embarrassing part of being atheist, is when another atheist preaches atheism just like the people who believe in something.

For me, atheism is good because I don't have to believe in anything, and I can just ignore everything else and all the made up stories everyone else believes. But when there's "atheist extremists" waddling around calling anyone who has a religion stupid, it makes me look just as bad as them.

[Ksandra]

The way I see things, it's like the sun.

People of many part of the world call it many different name, and prior to the whole understanding of the astrological system, they all have many different story of the sun's origin and nature.

But does that mean they refer to a different sun?

I disagree. When you refer to "the sun" you use the indefinite article "the" in the front. I have no qualms about telling Christiams that might as well say "God is the one and only allah", because you're still referring to him by name as "god". But the words "God" and "Allah" both have evolved into not only the only word that can be used to described the concept in their respective languages, but also the name of the entity. It is both.

Yes but the word "God" and the word "Allah" mean the same thing both in concept and in name is my point. You cannot assume Allah = muslim because it isn't just as much as you can't assume God = jewish.

Point too I don't believe the Bishop is right in doing what he's doing because 1. it's making a bigger deal out of nothing. 2. He's just feeding into the idea to the ignorant that if someone uses the word Allah they must be muslim which just isn't true.