Bend over for Islam

[MF Perm]

The most embarrassing part of being atheist, is when another atheist preaches atheism just like the people who believe in something.

For me, atheism is good because I don't have to believe in anything, and I can just ignore everything else and all the made up stories everyone else believes. But when there's "atheist extremists" waddling around calling anyone who has a religion stupid, it makes me look just as bad as them.

Im not calling anyone that beleives in religion stupid. I dont care what people beleive or do with their life. The problem I have is when people use their religion to justify killing/bigotry and denial of basic scientific facts. I have many friends(most) that are religious and its never and will never be a problem. When i was deployed with my army unit, I think I was the only atheist in about 120 soldiers. Did I think even one of them was stupid or ignorant? Hell no. I stood right beside them and respected their opinions.

What I am speaking out about, and looking down upon, is people that kill in the name of peaceful religions, and actively attempt to squal scienctific education. I dont think any of the founders of any world religion intended for them to be as they are now.

But I would have to agree with you, extreme atheists can be just as bad as extreme religious people. When your extreme anything your views arent very open minded.

So we agree, any extremist, is a bad extremist hahaha.

I'm talking about that.

[divisortheory]

Except Allah is a name for the Christian God which was my point. ;_;

Allah is a name for a god similar but not identical to the christian god.

[miokomioko]

This might as well be an argument about whether we should spell "Favourite" with or without that letter 'U.'

[Venture]

This might as well be an argument about whether we should spell "Favourite" with or without that letter 'U.'

Execute all who spells words with a unnecessary "u"! Praise be to American-English language!

[Demosthenes11]

News flash: you can believe in god, be a follower of Christianity, yet still be logical and free-thinking. This isn't the 11th century for most believers not in the middle east or the south

[Ksandra]

Except Allah is a name for the Christian God which was my point. ;_;

Allah is a name for a god similar but not identical to the christian god.

no...it's the name of which is identical tothe christian god for arabic-speaking christians. I know it's not that big an issue except I can't see why this is so hard for you to understand. Christians who speak arabic call their christian god Allah, how is that so hard to understand lol? Example would be my father says all the time "insha Allah" (dunno how to spell in english so that's jsut the pronunciation) which basically means "if God wills it". He is Coptic which is Christian. Are you claiming he must be talking about the Muslim God because he says "Allah"? Again the Muslims are not the only ones who use Allah as the name for their God. Muslim and Christians who are Arabic-speakers use Allah for the name of their God as well.

Maybe this would help even if it's lolwiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

Arabic-speakers of all faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[2] The Muslim and Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[3] In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.

Read bolded many many times please.

[divisortheory]

I don't care how many words for it they have. Would your argument change if they had 2 words for god? I don't know why you keep bringing it up, because it's totally irrelevant. I'm not talking about words for god, I'm talking about names for god.

If it's the same god it would be the same religion, period. English only has one word for god too, who cares? You're totally missing the point that there is a difference between a name and a noun

[Ksandra]

I don't care how many words for it they have. Would your argument change if they had 2 words for god? I don't know why you keep bringing it up, because it's totally irrelevant. I'm not talking about words for god, I'm talking about names for god.

If it's the same god it would be the same religion, period. English only has one word for god too, who cares? You're totally missing the point that there is a difference between a name and a noun

I was talking about the word/name arabs use for God because I wanted to point out to people (not necessarily you in particular) that Allah is not only a Muslim term, as I have heard that many times from ignorant people. Then you started claiming that Allah couldn't be the Christian God and I was trying to correct you that yes Christians call their God Allah too.

Whether or not you want them to call it something different I could care less about, I was just trying to give knowledge to people that if someone uses Allah that doesn't mean their muslim.

[Exoduso]

You people are still debating the name issue? "Allah" means "god" in arabic just like "Elohim" means "god" in hebrew, and "Dios" in spanish.

This topic is stupid. And the guy who suggested that everyone refer to god as "allah" from now on (and actually thinks it'll solve anything), is obviously on crack.

[Neosutra]

News flash: you can believe in god, be a follower of Christianity, yet still be logical and free-thinking. This isn't the 11th century for most believers not in the middle east or the south

And I dont have a problem with christian believers that use logic and reason and accept scientific evidence. My problem comes with the ones that say evolution and astrophysics(mostly big bang cosmology and solar system development) are fraud, simply because they dont balance out with the traditional religous history. And unfortunately for you, the christians that are tossing out basic peer reviewed science for faith based psuedo-science are in the majority.

And no, you cant call yourself logical and free-thinking if your still calling the earth 5000 years old.

There is a reason religious belief decreases as education increase in a society.

There are NO questions in our universe that can be solved by tossing the god answer into it. The god solution to any mystery we havent unraveled yet is a lazy, lackluster way of squashing the basic curiosity mankind has. Just to satisfy the emptiness you have for not knowing, or not belonging. Your a macroscopic organism that is the result of billions of years of slow and arduous evolution, looking up at the stars in awe of your insignificance. Our questioning nature is our greatest trait as a species, stop trying to pacify it with answers based on no evidence and no science.

"God" is the answer to the great questions for the religious masses, and it strips them of their most precious posession. I for one will continue to keep my curiosity, keep questioning the universe, and will refuse to toss any solution into the formula, just to satisfy my own weakness.

[Demosthenes11]

News flash: you can believe in god, be a follower of Christianity, yet still be logical and free-thinking. This isn't the 11th century for most believers not in the middle east or the south

And I dont have a problem with christian believers that use logic and reason and accept scientific evidence. My problem comes with the ones that say evolution and astrophysics(mostly big bang cosmology and solar system development) are fraud, simply because they dont balance out with the traditional religous history. And unfortunately for you, the christians that are tossing out basic peer reviewed science for faith based psuedo-science are in the majority.

And no, you cant call yourself logical and free-thinking if your still calling the earth 5000 years old.

There is a reason religious belief decreases as education increase in a society.

There are NO questions in our universe that can be solved by tossing the god answer into it. The god solution to any mystery we havent unraveled yet is a lazy, lackluster way of squashing the basic curiosity mankind has. Just to satisfy the emptiness you have for not knowing, or not belonging. Your a macroscopic organism that is the result of billions of years of slow and arduous evolution, looking up at the stars in awe of your insignificance. Our questioning nature is our greatest trait as a species, stop trying to pacify it with answers based on no evidence and no science.

"God" is the answer to the great questions for the religious masses, and it strips them of their most precious posession. I for one will continue to keep my curiosity, keep questioning the universe, and will refuse to toss any solution into the formula, just to satisfy my own weakness.

lol ok

[Blarg]

News flash: you can believe in god, be a follower of Christianity, yet still be logical and free-thinking. This isn't the 11th century for most believers not in the middle east or the south

And I dont have a problem with christian believers that use logic and reason and accept scientific evidence. My problem comes with the ones that say evolution and astrophysics(mostly big bang cosmology and solar system development) are fraud, simply because they dont balance out with the traditional religous history. And unfortunately for you, the christians that are tossing out basic peer reviewed science for faith based psuedo-science are in the majority.

And no, you cant call yourself logical and free-thinking if your still calling the earth 5000 years old.

There is a reason religious belief decreases as education increase in a society.

There are NO questions in our universe that can be solved by tossing the god answer into it. The god solution to any mystery we havent unraveled yet is a lazy, lackluster way of squashing the basic curiosity mankind has. Just to satisfy the emptiness you have for not knowing, or not belonging. Your a macroscopic organism that is the result of billions of years of slow and arduous evolution, looking up at the stars in awe of your insignificance. Our questioning nature is our greatest trait as a species, stop trying to pacify it with answers based on no evidence and no science.

"God" is the answer to the great questions for the religious masses, and it strips them of their most precious posession. I for one will continue to keep my curiosity, keep questioning the universe, and will refuse to toss any solution into the formula, just to satisfy my own weakness.

lol ok

I don't see what made that funny.

[Demosthenes11]

Perhaps because it was just blatantly "Religion sucks, using god in anyway is retarded." Crazies = lol

[Meriandle]

Ok... I just have to say, to those arguing that religion crushes logic and free thinking, mayhaps you should take a look at Newton. He believed in God, AND HE CREATED CALCULUS BECAUSE HE NEEDED NEW MATH. Srsly...

[Neosutra]

Ok... I just have to say, to those arguing that religion crushes logic and free thinking, mayhaps you should take a look at Newton. He believed in God, AND HE CREATED CALCULUS BECAUSE HE NEEDED NEW MATH. Srsly...

Ya, because he didnt say "god makes apples fall". As stated previously those whom beleive in god are not all retarded or illogical, its the ones that use god as an answer to things we can explain scientifically, and deny scientific evidence for things they wish to be true. In my examples I used concepts such as evolution and big bang cosmology. Tossing in an example of someone who beleived yet didnt deny scientific principles only solidifies my argument.

[Blarg]

Perhaps because it was just blatantly "Religion sucks, using god in anyway is retarded." Crazies = lol

To me it seemed more like, if you are religious and believe in Creationism then you are being an idiot. You can be intelligent and believe in god, but the Creationist movement is intellectually empty.

[-Omni]

You can be intelligent and believe in god

You can also be completely fuckshit retarded and believe in God. Funny how it's the ignorant that preach loud and long about God and sin and divine judgment while those with a shred of intellect tend to keep their practices to themselves.

[Kuya]

Thanks for derailing my thead into 3 different topics guys.

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Funny how it's the ignorant that preach loud and long about God and sin and divine judgment while those with a shred of intellect tend to keep their practices to themselves.

This is what religion is suposed to be about. Personal ideals. Organized/globalized religion was just a bad idea.

[Mayareira]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think i read/heard the muslim god and the christian god really are the same god, but muslims believe that the first 2 books, being old testament and new testament, were corrupted and changed by man and aren't the true wishes and feelings of god. The Koran is the inerrant book that details the exact will and thoughts of god that was not changed by man. So same God, but the views and ideas of that god are different because man changed the first 2 books for selfish reasons.

Yea, this pretty much correct. They are both same, just different language.

[Neosutra]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think i read/heard the muslim god and the christian god really are the same god, but muslims believe that the first 2 books, being old testament and new testament, were corrupted and changed by man and aren't the true wishes and feelings of god. The Koran is the inerrant book that details the exact will and thoughts of god that was not changed by man. So same God, but the views and ideas of that god are different because man changed the first 2 books for selfish reasons.

Yea, this pretty much correct. They are both same, just different language.

I have been told that I'm going to hell by christians, and shot at by muslims. I'm not intimately familiar with muslim religion, but do they have a hell as well?

I know christian dogma:
Be a good worker bee = heaven (some nice place, but no real clarification what its like)
everyone else = hell(the god of love banishes you to an eternal life of suffering and torture)

Muslim dogma:
Taking a bath in the blood of the infidels(sp?) = 60 virgins(in heaven?)
Everyone else = ???? (does this version sentence you to hell as well?)