Personal vs Impersonal Killing

[wyrmtung]

Since I did not want to totally derail another thread I made my own topic. This is an offshoot of this thread:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewt...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
I was just moved at how, of all the ways to kill someone, that this father could repeatedly hack at his own son with a cleaver in front of everyone.

I think killing someone with a knife is one of the most personal and brutal ways of killing someone.

Agreed. I cringe at the thought of going out that way. I think anything else (besides burning alive) would be worse.

Snapping someone's neck MGS style is more personal. Being buried alive would be worse than burning if you ask me. And of course there are any number of medieval torture methods that may or may not be worse. Some of them are a little hard to imagine.

Oh, and I thought of the 6 < 7 thing before I finished reading the article too.

I wrote "one of the more personal" because you are cutting through a person and feeling it in your own hand as the blade goes through muscle and bone. Plus you are mutilating another human being. When you cut someone, especially the way the "father" did in this story, the victim doesn't die right away. You have basically a cut up person with their innards showing moving around. It's hard to take.

I used the word "personal" and "brutal" not for the victim's point of view but the killer. Sure a slow death of burning someone or burying them is not a great way to go considering how much you have to endure before you actually die. But those methods are less "personal" to me because a killer can drop a match or bury someone and not have close contact with their victim. It's like shooting a gun. You do it from a distance.

Compare shooting a gun to choking someone to death with your bare hands. If I were to kill someone, I think it would be easier for me to shoot someone rather than feeling someone struggle to breathe, staring at them as you squeeze the life out of them.

Today's warfare allows a person to mentally handle the thought of killing someone a lot better, IMO. Shooting, firing missles, dropping bombs are a lot "easier" to do than in the old days where you had to hack a person to death with your sword until they died.

I think everyone is capable of murder given the right situation. You gotta be one cold blooded mother fucker to be looking in the eyes of your victim as you kill them.

[Intense]

I think choking someone with your barehands is more brutal than both.

[Keno]

There are certainly more gruesome, painful, and personal ways to die; I think all he was trying to say is that it's barbaric and is one of the most personal ways to kill someone.

[MisterBob]

I wonder what its like to be put in an Iron Maiden

[thestalkmore]

It's all about forking.

[Keno]

Hey MisterBob, five starred Jordan and Six on expert?

[Skyylya]

I wonder what its like to be put in an Iron Maiden

My first guess is that it hurts like hell, but upon further review it would depend on how it's built.

If there are spikes in just the front, and not in the head area, you'd be in a lot of pain, for a long time. Cause the spikes would of course pierce you, but since they don't get removed wouldn't cause rapid bleeding since they'd be plugging most holes created. You'd slowly bleed.

If there were spikes in the back as well, and you got pushed into them, well you'd probably have your spine severed if they weren't placed to avoid your spine, and you wouldn't feel much. If they didn't affect your spine, you'd probably suffer the same as in the previous paragraph, unless they punctured your lungs which i believe is easier from the back and you'd suffocate.

If there were spikes anywhere around your head, you'd die pretty quickly and just wouldn't really know.

Whoever invented those was definitely a satist.

[jmc]

I'm gonna have to go with the Stabbings as the worst..... not only is it a extremely painful experience one goes though as they usually do not pass right away, it also takes a emotional toll on whoever discovers a stabbing murder or even any first responders (EMS, Fire, Police) who respond and see that.

Nothing like going to a triple stabbing, to see 2 kids under 12 stabbed to death and thier mother with stab wounds as she tried to kill herself after killing her children.

[Izzy]

I'm gonna have to go with the Stabbings as the worst..... not only is it a extremely painful experience one goes though as they usually do not pass right away, it also takes a emotional toll on whoever discovers a stabbing murder or even any first responders (EMS, Fire, Police) who respond and see that.

Nothing like going to a triple stabbing, to see 2 kids under 12 stabbed to death and thier mother with stab wounds as she tried to kill herself after killing her children.

I'm sorry but, your job fucking sucks lol.

[jmc]

I'm gonna have to go with the Stabbings as the worst..... not only is it a extremely painful experience one goes though as they usually do not pass right away, it also takes a emotional toll on whoever discovers a stabbing murder or even any first responders (EMS, Fire, Police) who respond and see that.

Nothing like going to a triple stabbing, to see 2 kids under 12 stabbed to death and thier mother with stab wounds as she tried to kill herself after killing her children.

I'm sorry but, your job fucking sucks lol.

I dont respond to these usually.... this one was a "I'm in the area, might as well go on this well being check" so guess its my own fault...... but never doing that again.

[Venture]

Gutting rates up there for me. It's a slow, painful and extremely mess death. Even more so by a edged weapon. It's right in front of you, so you get to see it happen the whole time. There's nothing really vital in that area, so blood loss and shock are what's going to kill you.

[Charla]

(first, you said "one of the most", not "one of the more". Also, I did mistakenly read it as "the most" when I responded in the original thread. Now then

Even from the killer's perspective, I would still say there are ways to get more direct force-feedback than with a knife. The whole point of a blade is to focus the applied force into a small surface area to get more effect out of it. Pushing your finger through a piece of cellophane, for instance, takes a lot more pressure than using a blade of any kind. I imagine a spine cracking under Snake's fingers feels a bit more visceral than that of various tissues separating as his knife passes through them.

Part of the point I was making is that the "personal" and "painful" aspects (Wyrm mentioned one, Keno mentioned the other) are completely separate, because there are ways to get a lot of one with none of the other.

Also, the whole thing about "feeling it" as you kill someone reminded me of the part of Grenadier where whatshername talked about how she increased the resistance on her gun's hammer so she had to work every time she cocked it.

[Khamsin]

I wonder what its like to be put in an Iron Maiden

My first guess is that it hurts like hell, but upon further review it would depend on how it's built.

If there are spikes in just the front, and not in the head area, you'd be in a lot of pain, for a long time. Cause the spikes would of course pierce you, but since they don't get removed wouldn't cause rapid bleeding since they'd be plugging most holes created. You'd slowly bleed.

If there were spikes in the back as well, and you got pushed into them, well you'd probably have your spine severed if they weren't placed to avoid your spine, and you wouldn't feel much. If they didn't affect your spine, you'd probably suffer the same as in the previous paragraph, unless they punctured your lungs which i believe is easier from the back and you'd suffocate.

If there were spikes anywhere around your head, you'd die pretty quickly and just wouldn't really know.

Whoever invented those was definitely a satist.

You'd probably die pretty quickly, as one of the haphazard spikes would likely pierce a vital organ.

[Izzy]

ITT: We all turn into psycho killers and think of the worst ways to die!





Gonna see one of these methods on the news in a couple days and i'm going to KNOW its one of you!

[Churchill]

I think in my experiences when it comes down to it, if someone needs to die then the means to the end are immaterial, as long as they end.

[Charla]

And Jack Thompson blames it all on manhunt and the whole board gets V&.

[wyrmtung]

I guess I am going through one of those moods where you know that eventually even you will die. It makes me a little depressed but at the same time it makes me value life more. I just hate when I read about others deciding to take life into their own hands as if it was such an easy thing. I guess all of this means that I would never make a good assassin.

[Charla]

But it is an easy thing. That's why so many people are afraid to think about it.

[MisterBob]

Hey MisterBob, five starred Jordan and Six on expert?

Missing Jordan still, Six is done however