Ridill vs Mandau vs MNK/WAR

[Xno]

wafik and archain have same non crit avg though

hmm speaking of wivre... we did like 6~ wivres i guess it screws the parse a bit :/

[aurik]

wafik's average ws is about 1200 when archain is 1700 >.> , why such a difference ?

yea i noticed my melee avg was a bit low , i dunno why, on other parse its more around 195~ , but when you re doing 170 its as /WAR ?

Archain had 2 BRDs in that party for one thing. But given that the wafik parse was taken pre-wivre, I think that was before wafik had some of his hecatomb.

1400-1600 seems pretty normal for me nowadays, assuming we're not fighting any wivres.

He was also /war which means no guaranteed offhand. Also, he only ever stacks with TA when subbing war, which is a lot weaker than SA or double-stack. This parse was before Wafik got homam body and several other goodies too, it's pretty old.

A good portion (20%?) of the enemies fought were bugards as well, no piercing bonus and higher def on those.

[Xno]

a got a question , for thf , ridill is the best offhand or you dont have enough acc to eat meat ?

[RKenshin]

yea i noticed my melee avg was a bit low , i dunno why, on other parse its more around 195~ , but when you re doing 170 its as /WAR ?

Yep I'm always SAM/WAR.

[Xno]

im /sam dont forget lol , i dont have berserk XD

[RKenshin]

Oh, yeah I kind of forgot about that. Used to the idea of like every DD having Berserk.

EDIT: And to answer your previous question, Ridill sucks pretty bad for THF in exp. I think just about all of the best THFs here will agree too.

[Francisco II]

Aurik, we're you /WAR Counterstancing in that parse - and if so how much of an MP strain was it from non-counters and Pecking Flurry?

I want to try out /WAR in merits a little more; but I don't have Spharai. I have capped Counter merits, and I've been working on getting Retaliators - which I think would be better than Destroyers in certain situations (Salvage bosses specifically).

[aurik]

Aurik, we're you /WAR Counterstancing in that parse - and if so how much of an MP strain was it from non-counters and Pecking Flurry?

I want to try out /WAR in merits a little more; but I don't have Spharai. I have capped Counter merits, and I've been working on getting Retaliators - which I think would be better than Destroyers in certain situations (Salvage bosses specifically).

From the LJ post about the party:
"""
With counterstance up, Tusk did a bit over 700 dmg. Pecking Flurry maxed out at 650ish when all the hits landed. The other heavy weaponskills -- Tail Roll, Bone Crunch -- only did 200-450, and normal hits (when they weren't countered) only did 200ish. Now you may think that's a lot of damage, but with only 2 rdms we had so much mp that they just spam-cured me to their heart's content, and because of our incredible damage output they never took hate.

[image]

You can see some nice things from the parse here.

First, notice my counter rate--41.1%. This is pretty good considering several times I was slept, stunned or just had counterstance off. Probably a 42% rate when conditions dictate I can counter. With a 74% accuracy rating, that is about a 56-57% base counter rate. Very sexy.
"""

[Eaglestrike]

a got a question , for thf , ridill is the best offhand or you dont have enough acc to eat meat ?

210 skill, Ridill is nothing more than a toy made of e-peen for thf. I honestly don't understand why THF's ever get it over jobs that can make some actual use out of it.

[Baha]

Agree, it seems mostly a toy for THF. Then again, some of those who have one will swear up and down that it's super-awesome, can't see how, but yeah.

[Medivac]

a got a question , for thf , ridill is the best offhand or you dont have enough acc to eat meat ?

210 skill, Ridill is nothing more than a toy made of e-peen for thf. I honestly don't understand why THF's ever get it over jobs that can make some actual use out of it.

perhaps its because they are more deserving? im sure once anyone that gets ridil is immediatly going to lvl war or drk, therefore its no problem for me due to the fact it takes how long to lvl war to 75 these days? it takes years to get a ridil

edit: in no way trying to derail this into a who deserves a ridil more thread

[XxSlusherxx]

I partied with a ridill thf once, on birds(which made it even more lol) it's horrible, if you really want you can do the lvl50 knife a friend of mine had one of those for a while, but I'm a tp nazi so I was not a big fan

[MNKing]

I love all three jobs and believe they can all deal damage effectively and well. Mnk/war is an mp sponge, I agree on that. But in order for mnk to reach its full potential it has to sub either /war or /drg. I went to a colibri party once as mnk/drg with 2 brds, a rdm along with a war and nin for dmg. Both the war and the nin disconnected and I ended up soloing mobs alone acquiring chain 53 before we ended the party, as the only source of dmg with no rest. I do believe spharai helped though because I was consistant with my counters. Some mnks dont optimize themselves the way they should. I have a pretty solid setup for every mnk job ability. My chakras go off for 480 + 280 regen effect from invigorate lv 3. I believe that in order for a mnk/war or mnk/drg to be effective they should have guarding capped or atleast over 250. The guarding procs more and less dmg is dealt, which is always helpful for the mages. Parsing is never really accurate beacause as most people know, there is some crazy melee in the party that goes on a solo rampage when he hears the sentence "I'll be parsing you guys". What I'm mainly trying to get at is that mnk was made for pure dmg. That is why it is hard to see a mnk ws for over 1500 on any mob unless they have spharai, which is still rare even when you have that. And I don't believe mnk/nin is anywhere close to dealing the same dmg as mnk/war or mnk/drg unless the mnk just fails.

[Sidanoir]

Ok I gotta go after Ehud on my server only THF i know of with mandau...want to see what they are capable of....

And that WAR/NIN beating that MNK/NIN by a landslide = LOL.....Im assuming non ridill war too? Easy to come out way ahead when partying with gimps...

[Eaglestrike]

a got a question , for thf , ridill is the best offhand or you dont have enough acc to eat meat ?

210 skill, Ridill is nothing more than a toy made of e-peen for thf. I honestly don't understand why THF's ever get it over jobs that can make some actual use out of it.

perhaps its because they are more deserving? im sure once anyone that gets ridil is immediatly going to lvl war or drk, therefore its no problem for me due to the fact it takes how long to lvl war to 75 these days? it takes years to get a ridil

edit: in no way trying to derail this into a who deserves a ridil more thread

I just personally wouldn't lot a toy over someone who would make good use of it. I don't mean to criticize LS's that give Ridill's to THF's as much as I am the THF's that will lot them over LS mates who would make better use of it. But maybe I'm weird and focus on utility of items over e-peen.

[suji]

Agree, it seems mostly a toy for THF. Then again, some of those who have one will swear up and down that it's super-awesome, can't see how, but yeah.

What makes a weapon a toy? If you don't use it in merits or HNM, it's a toy?

I used to think "I'd never want Ridill on THF" until I played a bunch with a THF friend who had it, and he was always shredding everything faster than me by a huge margin. If you spend most of your time doing things like Dynamis, Salvage and general NM camping (not HNM), Ridill can be quite good on THF, but it seems like most people would consider someone who primarily does those things to be "toy" players. ;p

At any rate, since WARs are actually using Ridill on HNMs these days, the argument that it's a toy for them too is no longer valid, so I don't believe so strongly in the above sentiment anymore. And to be explicit, I'm saying if you use it on HNM, it's not a toy.

[moguri]

a got a question , for thf , ridill is the best offhand or you dont have enough acc to eat meat ?

210 skill, Ridill is nothing more than a toy made of e-peen for thf. I honestly don't understand why THF's ever get it over jobs that can make some actual use out of it.

perhaps its because they are more deserving? im sure once anyone that gets ridil is immediatly going to lvl war or drk, therefore its no problem for me due to the fact it takes how long to lvl war to 75 these days? it takes years to get a ridil

edit: in no way trying to derail this into a who deserves a ridil more thread

I just personally wouldn't lot a toy over someone who would make good use of it. I don't mean to criticize LS's that give Ridill's to THF's as much as I am the THF's that will lot them over LS mates who would make better use of it. But maybe I'm weird and focus on utility of items over e-peen.

A THF speaking about utility of items and jobs? lol. If you really cared about utility of items you wouldn't have sponsored dynamis over a BRD or PLD in your LS getting horn and aegis. Your mandau is a toy, the only real "utility" knife you need is THF Knife. Waste of gil and dynamis currency!

[Ryko]

Floodgates go, I did chuckle though.

[divisortheory]

A THF speaking about utility of items and jobs? lol. If you really cared about utility of items you wouldn't have sponsored dynamis over a BRD or PLD in your LS getting horn and aegis. Your mandau is a toy, the only real "utility" knife you need is THF Knife. Waste of gil and dynamis currency!

Clearly you only see black and white. A ridill for a thf is practically useless, whereas a mandau for thf is revolutionary for the job, whereas a gjallarhorn for a brd is revolutionary for the game.

[Ryko]

A THF speaking about utility of items and jobs? lol. If you really cared about utility of items you wouldn't have sponsored dynamis over a BRD or PLD in your LS getting horn and aegis. Your mandau is a toy, the only real "utility" knife you need is THF Knife. Waste of gil and dynamis currency!

Clearly you only see black and white. A ridill for a thf is practically useless, whereas a mandau for thf is revolutionary for the job, whereas a gjallarhorn for a brd is revolutionary for the game.

You can't really bitch about him not seeing the grey when he was basing his statement as a response (if one was concerned with utility over e-peen they wouldn't have gotten a personal e-peen item over other options that provide way more utility, unless the buck stops at the point where it doesn't become personally gratifying.). Secondly plenty of jobs still use sushi, a thf doing the same can still use a ridill and honestly easily outdo most setups short of the "big three". It's not zomguber but it's far from "practically useless" and you will be holding up your end in a merit party with no problem.