Ridill vs Mandau vs MNK/WAR

[Priran]

Depends.

Are they taru?
Do they have a Ninurta's sash?
Is their WAR sub underleveled?

If the answer to any of these is no, then they have no chance of outparsing a top geared WAR.

[Julian]

Getting chain 100+ at Mamools is hard?

amconfused.

shh, let them keep meriting on their lolcolibris

[Lynsy]

Getting chain 100+ at Mamools is hard?

amconfused.

Actually, it's really hard if your party kills too fast. I've had plenty of parties where we ended up either ditching a DD or had the BRD purposely only sing 1 song and got much, much better XP because we didn't kill everything so damn fast that chain died before every set of repops. There really aren't many mobs at Mamool camp so you have to be careful of that.

It's for that reason I don't entirely understand why people act as though kill speed increase > all for merits. There is an ideal kill speed for each camp. Any slower and you're under-utilizing it. Any faster and you break chain because everything is dead and you're standing there waiting on repops.

And as someone already mentioned, MNK/WAR is much better as far as TP spam than Ridill or, well, really anything. Subtle Blow. MNKs have, by far, the best dmg dealt to TP dealt ratio. However, a solo MNK/WAR has such high dmg DOT that there is little hope of anyone pulling it off them. Which brings you to:

When there is one MNK/WAR in the pt, yes they become MP sponge. With 3 MNK/WARs, they destroy mobs so fast they don't get to attack much.

Unadulterated ass-kicking, thy name is MNK.

[Gafgarionn]

Depends.

Are they taru?
Do they have a Ninurta's sash?
Is their WAR sub underleveled?

If the answer to any of these is no, then they have no chance of outparsing a top geared WAR.

i lol'd irl

[Veli]

and what about sam with amano , is it better than top geared ridill war ?

I had a party with a top geared ridill war and a top geared monk with a SAM/AMANO and the SAM did waaaay too much damage. I mean they can dish out damage but i dont wanna heal them all day.

[Judai]

Anyone else find it ironic he's complaining about tp spam on colibri with war/nin yet wants to come on mnk/war, which is a helluva lot more annoying if you're talking about ws damage. If you're looking at it from the point of view of getting your food eaten, you're gonna pull hate a lot either way on mnk/war and it's not that hard to afford mithkabobs. Sounds like a bunch of epeen crap to me.

Congratulations, once again you prove how little you know and how much of an idiot you are. MNKs give less TP per damage then anyone(other then BLMs.

[Heian]

Damn having capped weapon merits and using a balance of Acc. Att. and haste gear must be so hard. I don't have to eat food or have Madrigal on Colibri. I still do decent damage for not having the absolute best gear. This seems like one of the more dumb threads I've seen in a while.

[Swatt]

Anyone else find it ironic he's complaining about tp spam on colibri with war/nin yet wants to come on mnk/war, which is a helluva lot more annoying if you're talking about ws damage. If you're looking at it from the point of view of getting your food eaten, you're gonna pull hate a lot either way on mnk/war and it's not that hard to afford mithkabobs. Sounds like a bunch of epeen crap to me.

Congratulations, once again you prove how little you know and how much of an idiot you are. MNKs give less TP per damage then anyone(other then BLMs.

SMN.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh pwned

[Judai]

Anyone else find it ironic he's complaining about tp spam on colibri with war/nin yet wants to come on mnk/war, which is a helluva lot more annoying if you're talking about ws damage. If you're looking at it from the point of view of getting your food eaten, you're gonna pull hate a lot either way on mnk/war and it's not that hard to afford mithkabobs. Sounds like a bunch of epeen crap to me.

Congratulations, once again you prove how little you know and how much of an idiot you are. MNKs give less TP per damage then anyone(other then BLMs.

SMN.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh pwned

DAMN YOU! I should have left it as mages.

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

and what about sam with amano , is it better than top geared ridill war ?

I had a party with a top geared ridill war and a top geared monk with a SAM/AMANO and the SAM did waaaay too much damage. I mean they can dish out damage but i dont wanna heal them all day.

SAM/WAR Amano fucking destroys. From what I recall, Ruke outparsed me by a good 3-4%, me being a ridll war w/ capped combat/war merits + haub+1, 19%, and such. And you know what? He keeps Seigan up 90% of the time. Than again, it is Ruke?

[divisortheory]

Getting chain 100+ at Mamools is hard?

amconfused.

It's virtually impossible because of all the overcrowding

[Plow]

Any time I try MNK/WAR in merits, it's like it flips a switch that makes mobs use twice as many multihits, so I end up either a MP sponge or, occasionally, dead.

so so true, of any job not just monk

IMO on Collibri camp,

SAM/RNG > all DD

I'd be happy to parse vs anyone in shiva.

Anybody can outparse anyone if they stand at range and pull hate immediately then run around making the melee chase and be all but worthless the whole time.


Hey guys I can outparse ridill wars on blm, I just have to stand at max range and open every fight with thundaga 3 before you even get to the mob, then run around casting II's.

[Xno]

its really old , almost 1 year ago at bhaflau tickets :

i didnt have apocalypse at that time

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3219/chain283sh6.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/766/expmn9.jpg

or maybe you speak about mamool of nyzle-bhaflau and then i should have shut up XD

[Priran]

and what about sam with amano , is it better than top geared ridill war ?

I had a party with a top geared ridill war and a top geared monk with a SAM/AMANO and the SAM did waaaay too much damage. I mean they can dish out damage but i dont wanna heal them all day.

SAM/WAR Amano fucking destroys. From what I recall, Ruke outparsed me by a good 3-4%, me being a ridll war w/ capped combat/war merits + haub+1, 19%, and such. And you know what? He keeps Seigan up 90% of the time. Than again, it is Ruke?

By 3% of the party damage or by 3% of your damage? (i.e. 30% vs 33% or 30% vs 30.9%)

latter is kind of meh

[Xno]

even 30% vs 34% is not so impressive, if you only have 19%, as sam he must have 23% ( since tachi kaiten should be enough for 6 hit tp build )

a 4% haste difference is a lot if you have 2 brd (2march 2minuet), as for him beeing 90% of the time in seigan, its part of the job

[Naygor]

Anyone else find it ironic he's complaining about tp spam on colibri with war/nin yet wants to come on mnk/war, which is a helluva lot more annoying if you're talking about ws damage. If you're looking at it from the point of view of getting your food eaten, you're gonna pull hate a lot either way on mnk/war and it's not that hard to afford mithkabobs. Sounds like a bunch of epeen crap to me.

Congratulations, once again you prove how little you know and how much of an idiot you are. MNKs give less TP per damage then anyone(other then BLMs.

Yeah, it couldn't have been that my point was tp spam on birds is irrelevant because the healing is so ridiculously light and it's not that hard to buy some stacks of mithkabobs. Thanks for pointing out the obvious as though it were relevant to the conversation, idiot.

[Judai]

Anyone else find it ironic he's complaining about tp spam on colibri with war/nin yet wants to come on mnk/war, which is a helluva lot more annoying if you're talking about ws damage. If you're looking at it from the point of view of getting your food eaten, you're gonna pull hate a lot either way on mnk/war and it's not that hard to afford mithkabobs. Sounds like a bunch of epeen crap to me.

Congratulations, once again you prove how little you know and how much of an idiot you are. MNKs give less TP per damage then anyone(other then BLMs.

Yeah, it couldn't have been that my point was tp spam on birds is irrelevant because the healing is so ridiculously light and it's not that hard to buy some stacks of mithkabobs. Thanks for pointing out the obvious as though it were relevant to the conversation, idiot.

Damn you are stupid. You missed the entire point of his rant. Not to mention you missed the point that Birds don't get off more then 1-2 moves with 3 MNK/WAR and they get off 4-5 moves with WAR/NINs. I have both jobs, no it's not a big deal and I generally enjoy WAR more but you still don't have a fucking clue about anything. MNKs don't take a shitton of damage like everyone thinks. MNKs were doing TPburns long before anyone else.

Mages are fcking sissies now usually anyways.

[alphacat]

and what about sam with amano , is it better than top geared ridill war ?

I had a party with a top geared ridill war and a top geared monk with a SAM/AMANO and the SAM did waaaay too much damage. I mean they can dish out damage but i dont wanna heal them all day.

SAM/WAR Amano fucking destroys. From what I recall, Ruke outparsed me by a good 3-4%, me being a ridll war w/ capped combat/war merits + haub+1, 19%, and such. And you know what? He keeps Seigan up 90% of the time. Than again, it is Ruke?

By 3% of the party damage or by 3% of your damage? (i.e. 30% vs 33% or 30% vs 30.9%)

latter is kind of meh

Who the fuck converts damage in the perspective of your own output? It's pretty obvious he's talking about total damage.

[Koyangi]

Probably beating a dead horse here, and I'm in no way saying Amano SAM is gimped 1 bit, but they can skew the parser by at least 2-3% because a WS killing a mob will deal full damage, and war/mnk/nin etc lose a few hit's... yeah I know it's usually not wise to WS a mob at 5-10%, but when 2 people WS at once at 60%, if the MNK or WAR's WS went after the SAM and kills it with like 9-10 TP return, they lost hits which means lost damage and a skewed parser in favor of SAM, same thing if he were to have had killing blow instead.

[Carnusty]

Damn you are stupid. You missed the entire point of his rant. Not to mention you missed the point that Birds don't get off more then 1-2 moves with 3 MNK/WAR and they get off 4-5 moves with WAR/NINs. I have both jobs, no it's not a big deal and I generally enjoy WAR more but you still don't have a fucking clue about anything. MNKs don't take a shitton of damage like everyone thinks. MNKs were doing TPburns long before anyone else.

Mages are fcking sissies now usually anyways.

Bolded the important part...lol. Biggest proof of this was when I tried making a monkburn in KRT one time, just to do it...the BRD for some reason forgot what pulling was, didn't finale BLM skeles, no one Banish'd ghosts...Pretty sure I died two times from pure ignorance -.-;

The only reason I despise ToAU was because it made 90% of all mages retarded when it came to stressing situations. Not that KRT parties are really stressing...but apparently, it was.