Why people get kicked from Uber.

[Zosi]

The way I see it, if you have chronic RL absences like the OP because your work schedule is ALWAYS at the same time as events, you should take a no-fault leave and find another LS. "Sorry guys, this just isn't working out with my work schedule, I'm gonna find an LS that has events I can make." You know you can't make events, and you know you won't be contributing nearly as much as someone who does make events, so there's no sense in sticking around AND expecting loot. If you don't expect loot, then by all means, stick around and be social, but don't pull shit about how you deserve stuff even though you can never attend events.

About the "friendly" vs "item-focused" LS thing, that depends greatly on your LS. If you're a bunch of close friends who just want to have fun, then you don't need a points system or lines or anything. If you're a bunch of relative strangers joined together in an LS to kill stuff and get phat lewt, then yeah, you need a system of some kind, and if you want people to stay, it better reward the people who put more into the LS than the people who don't care or can't make events. You can't rely on everyone to be selfless and say "Oh, I'd like a Ridill, but this poor sap works 80 hours a week and makes one LS event a week, I bet it'd make his day to get a Ridill over everyone else."

Oh yeah, and LS property items = LOL. Get the fuck out of 2005. If you can't trust your members to not sell their Novia/Novios, then kick their asses and find members that don't suck.

[Mulligan]

Anyone who can attend ALL should definitely be more rewarded than those who are occupied with work/school/etc.

I disagree!

The "reward" should simply be that they get to be at all events.

If the LS is one where everyone is having fun and likes each other then you should be pleased to congratulate your friends who just got home from work or school and won some great item! If someone in your LS only wants items and doesn't care about anyone else and doesn't make efforts to /befriend anyone then they shouldn't be there anyways...thats what the /breaklinkshell command is for.

People who attend ALL events should actually get LESS items because they're always online and thus have more skill/experience and don't need the tiny stat boosts as much as someone less blessed by excessive /playtime..but thats beside the point -- everyone in the LS should have an equal chance at items! Or else you're not working as a team and people are going to always be whining and bitching...

Wow, i think im going to transfer to valefor and join your ls. Then i can show up to 10% of things and get all the gear i want since i need the stat boosts from them to be as good as those 'experienced' players who dont need good gear because they play their job more.

I can't disagree more with your point. I understand that some people have IRL stuff so they can't do everything. I myself can't make it to all my ls's events, but i dont expect to have as much of a chance at items as those people who go to everything. If you're only in an LS to get items you're playing for the wrong reason and aren't in it for the 'team' as you say. Also, if your shell is getting drops so infrequently, especially when you only do sea, that this is that much of an issue, you really need a new ls.

[rydiu]

Wow, i think im going to transfer to valefor and join your ls. Then i can show up to 10% of things and get all the gear i want since i need the stat boosts from them to be as good as those 'experienced' players who dont need good gear because they play their job more.

Good luck getting in!! With that attitude I doubt you'd make the cut....And if you only go to 10% of events you wouldn't be getting jack anyways, cuz thats only 10% of stuff you'd be lotting on

[S N K]

Anyone who can attend ALL should definitely be more rewarded than those who are occupied with work/school/etc.

I disagree!

The "reward" should simply be that they get to be at all events.

If the LS is one where everyone is having fun and likes each other then you should be pleased to congratulate your friends who just got home from work or school and won some great item! If someone in your LS only wants items and doesn't care about anyone else and doesn't make efforts to /befriend anyone then they shouldn't be there anyways...thats what the /breaklinkshell command is for.

People who attend ALL events should actually get LESS items because they're always online and thus have more skill/experience and don't need the tiny stat boosts as much as someone less blessed by excessive /playtime..but thats beside the point -- everyone in the LS should have an equal chance at items! Or else you're not working as a team and people are going to always be whining and bitching...

k Afk in DA, I'll lot the Ridill when I'm back...

Good luck getting in!! With that attitude I doubt you'd make the cut....

Woooooosh!

[rydiu]

Not only are you a fucking retard, but you're a fucking retard. You're saying that even though I show up to more shit than my members I should "pass" it for them because they spent less time than I did? God, I hope you're seriously joking...

No.. I never said anybody should "pass" anything....I said everyone should have a fair shot if they show up....If people are clearly being greedy and not part of the team then boot em.

BTW, I find that 99% of the time when somebody makes a put-down type comment about somebody else they're really just talking about themself... So sure call me a "fucking retard." My 150+ IQ level reassures me that I'm not a retard, but I have serious doubts about if YOU are in fact retarded (2-3 standard deviations below mean IQ)

[Khalil]

No.. I never said anybody should "pass" anything....I said everyone should have a fair shot if they show up....If people are clearly being greedy and not part of the team then boot em.

BTW, I find that 99% of the time when somebody makes a put-down type comment about somebody else they're really just talking about themself... So sure call me a "fucking retard." My 150+ IQ level reassures me that I'm not a retard, but I have serious doubts about if YOU are in fact retarded (2-3 standard devations below mean IQ)

Let me get this straight...You expect someone to have equal lotting rights all around your board, even though some may put in more time than others? That's like saying everyone in one dept has a chance to become a Manager or Supervisor even though only a couple are competent? I really like your logic behind this...

I'd rather reward those who show up to events than those who are pre-occupied with RL things such as work, school, family, etc.

[Tempyst]

BTW, I find that 99% of the time when somebody makes a put-down type comment about somebody else they're really just talking about themself... So sure call me a "fucking retard." My 150+ IQ level reassures me that I'm not a retard, but I have serious doubts about if YOU are in fact retarded (2-3 standard deviations below mean IQ)

haha did you seriously just quote your IQ

[Shuemue]

Chill folks, Rydiu is good people.

[rydiu]

Let me get this straight...You expect someone to have equal lotting rights all around your board, even though some may put in more time than others? That's like saying everyone in one dept has a chance to become a Manager or Supervisor even though only a couple are competent? I really like your logic behind this...

Competence and attendance have NOTHING to do with each other.. your logic failed before it even left the front door...

[layoneil]

Competence and attendance have NOTHING to do with each other.. your logic failed before it even left the front door...

People who attend ALL events should actually get LESS items because they're always online and thus have more skill/experience

pick one or the other, not both. everyone's a hypocrite sometimes but at least make the effort to not do it in the same thread.

[rydiu]

..but thats beside the point

RTFA

[layoneil]

since when does "besides the point" mean you think it's not true?

[Skeetaru]

Good god this thread is making me stupider.... AFK BANGING HOT CHICKS AND MAKING TONS OF MONEY

[Shuemue]

Good god this thread is making me stupider.... AFK BANGING HOT CHICKS AND MAKING TONS OF MONEY

This post really added genuine value.

[Skeetaru]

Good god this thread is making me stupider.... AFK BANGING HOT CHICKS AND MAKING TONS OF MONEY

This post really added genuine value.

So did yours, mine was tongue in cheek

[divisortheory]

Good god this thread is making me stupider.... AFK BANGING HOT CHICKS AND MAKING TONS OF MONEY

This post really added genuine value.

So did yours, mine was tongue in cheek

Back already? That must have been a quickie

[Skeetaru]

her husband came home early, but she paid alot KEKEKEKEKEKEKE

but seriously gonna go watch Superbad

[Sidanoir]

No.. I never said anybody should "pass" anything....I said everyone should have a fair shot if they show up....If people are clearly being greedy and not part of the team then boot em.

BTW, I find that 99% of the time when somebody makes a put-down type comment about somebody else they're really just talking about themself... So sure call me a "fucking retard." My 150+ IQ level reassures me that I'm not a retard, but I have serious doubts about if YOU are in fact retarded (2-3 standard devations below mean IQ)

Let me get this straight...You expect someone to have equal lotting rights all around your board, even though some may put in more time than others? That's like saying everyone in one dept has a chance to become a Manager or Supervisor even though only a couple are competent? I really like your logic behind this...

I'd rather reward those who show up to events than those who are pre-occupied with RL things such as work, school, family, etc.

Time the fuck out....since when do competent people become managers or supervisors?


The greedier person is the one who knows they don't contribute much and wants to lot anyway...not the person that is always there and wants to receive their rewards.

[Ein]

leeches don't happen in LS that have a point system, no? there is no leech to sympathize with. again, the only thing that's really WTF here is the loot system. arbitrary decisions regarding loot, mages getting bent over, ect

[rydiu]

Competence and attendance have NOTHING to do with each other.. your logic failed before it even left the front door...

People who attend ALL events should actually get LESS items because they're always online and thus have more skill/experience

pick one or the other, not both. everyone's a hypocrite sometimes but at least make the effort to not do it in the same thread.

Since you took those 2 statements out of context I will analyze them as such.

Competence is not something you develop.. its something you already have. Skill is something you don't have and is developed by experience.

Hence, I am not contradicting myself or being a hypocrite.

There are very competent FFXI players who do not have great skill at hunting wyrms or sea monsters only because they don't have the experience of fighting them. The same players might be expert at many other aspects of the game, and I'd rather have one of them with 25% attendance than 5 total noobs with 100% attendance.