Question for Atheists/Agnostics with Kids

[Neosutra]

The belief in God, for those that do believe, needs no evidence or acts of God to continue the belief. It is a personal belief that you are a part of something greater than what appears. A comfort

Every beleif has a starting point, a foundation, in which you originally base those beleifs. You are not born religious, or with an inherent knowlegde of any god or diety. Thus your beleif is manifested at first from any number of foundations (parents, church, friends, religious history, personal exerperience). Those foundations are indeed test-able and are the very things that fall short of any logic/truth filter. The fallacy that your beleif is above testing because it relies on faith alone is both:

1. Incorrect because your beleifs are originally based on the above examples as you didnt leave the womb speaking in tongues and prophesizing.

2. A reaffirmation that your beleif has no evidence, nor wants it, because it is content with beleiving anything it wants as long as it makes you happy. The fact that what you just stated doesnt sit home with you as an ultimate slap in the face of your own blind views is quite astonishing. "I dont need evidence to beleive something"... And you get mad at me for belittling your reasoning skills when you make statements like that? Really?

With all the enlightening and intelligent responses ive seen on this topic, I was hoping you would start putting some more thought into your posts, but apparently your only replying on emotion and blind banter. Please stop wasting our time.

[Blarg]

The belief in God, for those that do believe, needs no evidence or acts of God to continue the belief. It is a personal belief that you are a part of something greater than what appears. A comfort

Do you mean that the bible is not necessary to believe in god?

[Demosthenes11]

The belief in God, for those that do believe, needs no evidence or acts of God to continue the belief. It is a personal belief that you are a part of something greater than what appears. A comfort

Do you mean that the bible is not necessary to believe in god?

I do believe that. I don't buy into half of what the bible says, does that mean I don't believe in god? I pray, I believe, and I take comfort, why is this such a bad concept?

Neosutra: the only possible evidence there could ever be of god is god himself meeting you face to face or some bullshit like that. That will not happen. Also, it is natural to wonder what your purpose on earth is, and god is one way of explaining that, so yes I do think it is quite natural to believe in god or "a higher power."

P.S: You are still being a huge douche

[Blarg]

The belief in God, for those that do believe, needs no evidence or acts of God to continue the belief. It is a personal belief that you are a part of something greater than what appears. A comfort

Do you mean that the bible is not necessary to believe in god?

I do believe that. I don't buy into half of what the bible says, does that mean I don't believe in god? I pray, I believe, and I take comfort, why is this such a bad concept?

Neosutra: the only possible evidence there could ever be of god is god himself meeting you face to face or some bullshit like that. That will not happen. Also, it is natural to wonder what your purpose on earth is, and god is one way of explaining that, so yes I do think it is quite natural to believe in god or "a higher power."

P.S: You are still being a huge douche

What god are you praying to then, do you consider it the Christian god? The bible says to follow every 'jot and tittle' of it, so why do you only choose to believe half of it, was that line only an idle threat by god? Is it worth risking eternal torture to think that you have the enlightenment to know that half of what god said isn't really important and the other half is? If your god is omnicient omnipotent omnipresent yadda yadda why would half of the bible, which is the word of god, not be worth following, do you not have faith in his intelligence?

[Siniroth]

I don't think it'd be lack of faith in God's intelligence, I think it'd be lack of faith in man's intelligence when writing the bible.

[Blarg]

I don't think it'd be lack of faith in God's intelligence, I think it'd be lack of faith in man's intelligence when writing the bible.

So then by what basis is he asserting what parts of the bible aren't really true in gods eyes? If the bible really was changed by man so much that half of it wasn't true anymore how can you say that the whole thing wasn't fabricated, where do you draw the line, and how do you know that any of it was changed in the first place. You better be damn sure that the parts of your bible that aren't really gods wishes and you don't follow is true because you are risking eternal torture if you get it wrong.

By this logic an omnicient god created the bible knowing that it would become half corrupted like this, so why did he do nothing to correct it? Does God want all the christians to believe 100% in only half truths here, what does that say about god?

[Demosthenes11]

The belief in God, for those that do believe, needs no evidence or acts of God to continue the belief. It is a personal belief that you are a part of something greater than what appears. A comfort

Do you mean that the bible is not necessary to believe in god?

I do believe that. I don't buy into half of what the bible says, does that mean I don't believe in god? I pray, I believe, and I take comfort, why is this such a bad concept?

Neosutra: the only possible evidence there could ever be of god is god himself meeting you face to face or some bullshit like that. That will not happen. Also, it is natural to wonder what your purpose on earth is, and god is one way of explaining that, so yes I do think it is quite natural to believe in god or "a higher power."

P.S: You are still being a huge douche

What god are you praying to then, do you consider it the Christian god? The bible says to follow every 'jot and tittle' of it, so why do you only choose to believe half of it, was that line only an idle threat by god? Is it worth risking eternal torture to think that you have the enlightenment to know that half of what god said isn't really important and the other half is? If your god is omnicient omnipotent omnipresent yadda yadda why would half of the bible, which is the word of god, not be worth following, do you not have faith in his intelligence?

because I don't belong to that church? I believe in god. I live a moral life and pray because I believe that is what god wants. Other people have different interpretations, but that is my own.

[Siniroth]

Maybe he didn't create the bible, maybe there was some other book of his that has since been lost to the ages, and the bible was a way for religious leaders to take control of the masses.

I dunno, I'm just throwing my own view of things into the discussion...

As an agnostic, I'd try and make my kids as knowledgeable as I can, and let them decide things for themself

And indeed, you can believe in God without being Christian

[Neosutra]

Neosutra: the only possible evidence there could ever be of god is god himself meeting you face to face or some bullshit like that. That will not happen. Also, it is natural to wonder what your purpose on earth is, and god is one way of explaining that, so yes I do think it is quite natural to believe in god or "a higher power."

P.S: You are still being a huge douche

I beleive you ignored everything typed in the previous posts, continuing your trend of spamming /respond w/o giving everyone here the respect of thinking your post through. It is not a general concept of some higher being that we are attacking (though i went over this several times), it is the foundations that those beleifs are built on, which are real and VERY susceptable to examination. And it is not natural to beleive in a higher power, as you are not born with it, you are taught too through the formentioned foundations(again, mentioned in the last post).

And, I will continue to treat your posts with the disrespect they deserve until you give me reason to change that. Notice your the only one here yeilding that response, as you are the only one here posting so ignorantly.

[Blarg]

The belief in God, for those that do believe, needs no evidence or acts of God to continue the belief. It is a personal belief that you are a part of something greater than what appears. A comfort

Do you mean that the bible is not necessary to believe in god?

I do believe that. I don't buy into half of what the bible says, does that mean I don't believe in god? I pray, I believe, and I take comfort, why is this such a bad concept?

Neosutra: the only possible evidence there could ever be of god is god himself meeting you face to face or some bullshit like that. That will not happen. Also, it is natural to wonder what your purpose on earth is, and god is one way of explaining that, so yes I do think it is quite natural to believe in god or "a higher power."

P.S: You are still being a huge douche

What god are you praying to then, do you consider it the Christian god? The bible says to follow every 'jot and tittle' of it, so why do you only choose to believe half of it, was that line only an idle threat by god? Is it worth risking eternal torture to think that you have the enlightenment to know that half of what god said isn't really important and the other half is? If your god is omnicient omnipotent omnipresent yadda yadda why would half of the bible, which is the word of god, not be worth following, do you not have faith in his intelligence?

because I don't belong to that church? I believe in god. I live a moral life and pray because I believe that is what god wants. Other people have different interpretations, but that is my own.

So your God isn't the god of any religions that exist?

[Demosthenes11]

I guess you could say that?
Congrats?

[Blarg]

Maybe he didn't create the bible, maybe there was some other book of his that has since been lost to the ages, and the bible was a way for religious leaders to take control of the masses.

I dunno, I'm just throwing my own view of things into the discussion...

As an agnostic, I'd try and make my kids as knowledgeable as I can, and let them decide things for themself

And indeed, you can believe in God without being Christian

Yes you can believe in god without being christian, but which god is the one you believe in? Mormon god, muslim, jewish, norse gods? If your god isn't one of the gods that belongs to any religion then how do you have knowledge of that god, would he even like to be prayed to, does he give a shit about you, where does the knowledge of this come from?

It's as if the name 'god' is just given to a made up comfort in the belief that your life on earth is guided by some powerful being. Regardless of the comfort something gives you it leads no credence to its truth/existence. This seems to me like willingly self delusion, you know what you believe makes little sense but you continue to believe because it feels good to.

[Blarg]

I guess you could say that?
Congrats?

I'm not trying to be an asshole to you, but you definitely seem to be trying to be one to me, so maybe ill return the favor. If your belief was logical you shouldn't feel threated by someones questions about it. Does my trying to figure out what your beliefs are bother you because you can see how rediculous they are? You have your own personal and unique god, congratulations, I guess that makes you his prophet.

[Siniroth]

Some people have faith? *shrug* as I said, I'm agnostic, I dunno how people feel that way... but I think, that just because there's no major religion to give you a picture and set of rules your god expects you to follow, doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't exist.

[Demosthenes11]

To me, things fit too perfectly together to happen by perfect chance. Life's events seem to follow a really rigid order, and things happen to compensate other things a lot. With these thoughts, along with a wonder of personal existence, a higher being is only natural. Take it or leave it.

Edit: wasnt trying to be an ass, I just didnt see where you were going with your questions (still dont really). Your questions dont make me question my faith at all, for it comes from my own life experiences and not from reading

[Neosutra]

To me, things fit too perfectly together to happen by perfect chance. Life's events seem to follow a really rigid order, and things happen to compensate other things a lot. With these thoughts, along with a wonder of personal existence, a higher being is only natural. Take it or leave it, makes no difference to me

So because you dont take the time to understand basic biology and cosmology, we have do deal with your ranting on forums of the "naturality of the disorder of the universe"? Just because you didnt study in college doesnt mean the physical status of the universe dont follow a statistical deviations and isnt understood by the people that actually put forth effort. But I guess its hella easier just to make up reasons for things that have valid scientific explainations, since its much harder to actually read about them. Your laziness is getting almost too much to take.

[MF Perm]

The belief in God, for those that do believe, needs no evidence or acts of God to continue the belief. It is a personal belief that you are a part of something greater than what appears. A comfort

Do you mean that the bible is not necessary to believe in god?

I do believe that. I don't buy into half of what the bible says, does that mean I don't believe in god? I pray, I believe, and I take comfort, why is this such a bad concept?

Neosutra: the only possible evidence there could ever be of god is god himself meeting you face to face or some bullshit like that. That will not happen. Also, it is natural to wonder what your purpose on earth is, and god is one way of explaining that, so yes I do think it is quite natural to believe in god or "a higher power."

P.S: You are still being a huge douche

What god are you praying to then, do you consider it the Christian god? The bible says to follow every 'jot and tittle' of it, so why do you only choose to believe half of it, was that line only an idle threat by god? Is it worth risking eternal torture to think that you have the enlightenment to know that half of what god said isn't really important and the other half is? If your god is omnicient omnipotent omnipresent yadda yadda why would half of the bible, which is the word of god, not be worth following, do you not have faith in his intelligence?

I live a moral life and pray because I believe that is what god wants. Other people have different interpretations, but that is my own.

Hi2u 4chan avatar. Moral life lol

[Demosthenes11]

a little joke here and there doesn't hurt, especially when you ask forgiveness. Making a racist joke doesnt make you a racist, being a racist makes you a racist.

[Demosthenes11]

To me, things fit too perfectly together to happen by perfect chance. Life's events seem to follow a really rigid order, and things happen to compensate other things a lot. With these thoughts, along with a wonder of personal existence, a higher being is only natural. Take it or leave it, makes no difference to me

So because you dont take the time to understand basic biology and cosmology, we have do deal with your ranting on forums of the "naturality of the disorder of the universe"? Just because you didnt study in college doesnt mean the physical status of the universe dont follow a statistical deviations and isnt understood by the people that actually put forth effort. But I guess its hella easier just to make up reasons for things that have valid scientific explainations, since its much harder to actually read about them. Your laziness is getting almost too much to take.

basic biology? The way cells work together with life to create all that they do is basic? It's a very complex system, and that points to a higher being for me. Quick being such a dick, wow

[Blarg]

You are using god of the gaps to explain mysteries, 'if i can't explain it then it must be god'. The problem is the nature of cells in the human body IS explainable by science. Also, I don't see whats so wrong with saying 'I don't know why' without automatically attributing it to god.