Herald Gaiters

[Kaeko]

I'd recommend first giving it to someone who camped it religiously (as previously mentioned), then either distributing solely by points or selling it ot fund a relic. If someone in the LS just really wants them, they should be able to have them I think, so selling all the Gaiters isn't all that fair in my opinion. I think that camping Tiamat + meeting some set requirements is enough to prove that someone who really wants them deserves them. Funding Relics, getting KCs, filling LS banks, or just splitting a large amount of hard cash are a really great if everyone is ok with it - no one ever sells these on Odin (unless drama is involved) and I'm sure you could easily fund an entire relic with just 3-4 of these.

As far as which jobs get the most use out of it, I'd have to say BLM (although I am horribly biased). But the real answer is it's one of those items that you get more use out of depending on your playstyle - it's a toy to some, it's so good it's a broken item to others. If someone realizes how amazing they would be to compliment their personal playstyle, then they'll work their butt off to camp Tiamat and get them themselves. Creating a job-based lot order is a really bad idea.

Also...

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=14294&hilit=herald+gaiters

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4725&hilit=herald+gaiters

About a combined 7 pages of replies on similar/same question. It's a 30+ M drop - make sure you know what you're doing as far as distribution goes.

[Skeetaru]

All the jobs that can use them should lot, its not like they should be used while nuking or curing or punching things?

[Alibeemac]

Gaiters are a toy however I <3 mine.

Great on WHM for running after tanks to cure, great on BLM for solo work, great on SMN for soloing, MNK meh never understood the reason they got them.

Best use for Gaiters?
Getting to HNMs quicker than other LS's to outclaim >.>
Oh and to train the Garden in Sea on WHM to find Faith ??? and to get people 8-3 prep done in the space of 30mins with no fighting instead of the 2+hrs of everyone climbing the towers and fighting their way there.

Priority?
Whoever deserves them via camping/dkp with no priority on job. They are a toy and NOT an omg must have on any of the 4 jobs.

[aurik]

They improve mnk performance in merit camps...macro them in between mobs because it's all about getting to the next mob first!

Also super useful in salvage for sacing and shedding aggro. Most likely you won't have any blms or smns with feet unlocked.

[Khamsin]

The person with the highest priority. Priority in this case defined by the following rules:

Each member has a certain number of points, earned by participating in events such as camping kings and depleted by inactivity or lotting items. Higher points win over lower points, modified by job priority adjustments.

Each member sets their own personal job priorities. For example, a person who has BRD, WAR, and BLM levelled may set their priorities to WAR > BLM > BRD.

Each item that can be lotted has job priorities attached to it. For example, gaiters might be BLM/WHM > SMN/MNK, meaning BLM and WHM have equal priority, followed by SMN and MNK.

Member lotting priority is in tiers, let's call them A, B, C, D, E, with A being the highest. A member lots items based on a job they have. For every tier below first that job is in their personal priority list, they are knocked down a tier on lotting rights. For example, if someone lots an item as a BLM, and their personal priorities are: WAR > BLM > BRD, they'd have tier B lotting rights. For every tier below first that job is in the specific item's priority list, they are further knocked down a tier on lotting rights. For example, if that BLM with tier B lotting rights wants an item whose priority is WHM > BLM > RDM, they would be further knocked down from B to C.

For a person with lower tier lotting rights to win priority over someone with higher tier lotting rights (based on job), they will have to have a certain percentage more points than that person. That percentage gets larger for every higher tier they are trying to beat. For example, that BLM with tier C lotting priority may win over a tier B WHM if he has enough points. He'll have to have even more points if he wants to beat a tier A WHM.

Whoever ends up having the highest priority, based on job tier and point adjustments, should get the gaiters. In the event that more than one person are within a certain range of each other considering points and job tier adjustments, they may lot together.

[Suiram]

Khamsin, the only thing your rephrasing of our LS's general lotting procedure does is resolve the original question to an equivalent one, "What should the job priority be for Gaiters?" Is your answer to that question going to be "BLM/WHM > SMN/MNK"? lol

(For what it's worth, my opinion is that if you are distributing the gaiters directly to your members, then each job should be equal priority--whether overall or embedded in a system similar to the one Khamsin described--since the broadly-defined "LS benefit" for one job to another isn't sufficient to require any one of them to be given preference.)

[Khamsin]

Khamsin, the only thing your rephrasing of our LS's general lotting procedure does is resolve the original question to an equivalent one, "What should the job priority be for Gaiters?" Is your answer to that question going to be "BLM/WHM > SMN/MNK"? lol

(For my opinion, I think each job should be equal priority, for what it's worth, since the broadly-defined "LS benefit" for one job to another isn't sufficient to require any one of them to be given preference.)

Well, I started by mentioning points adjusted by job priority (since there were opinions that included or excluded points, job priorities, and other factors), but felt a need to explain it a bit better. Saying "BLM/WHM > SMN/MNK, but a SMN/MNK can get it if they have more points" is unclear since it implies points are really all that matters. Likewise, saying "Whoever has the most points, but a SMN/MNK gets it after BLM/WHM" is unclear since it implies that job priority is all that really matters.

By the time I got around to explaining how it'd work, it basically turned into a paraphrasing of our charter. lol

I guess I could say "Whoever has the most points out of BLMs or WHMs can lot, but SMNs or MNKs can lot if they have substantially more points", but that still doesn't cover people who consider BLM their main job versus a secondary job (a point that someone else brought up earlier).

[Skyylya]

When I got mine as a mnk only job the LS rules were attendance based which I thought was fair. I went to every fight vs. people who went to fewer but had jobs, I think i shoulda had priority as it's a toy and really doesn't benefit any job more for real game purposes.

I think i got more use out of it than any blm, whm or smn woulda anyway. I solo'd on mnk a lot and being able to outdistance something for a couple seconds to get a shadow up when otherwise it'd be hackin at me and the +8 eva (before af1+1) was always good to have.

I also was able to kite a lot of things in potential wipes as mnk/war in dynamis and saved from big wipes a few times or at least having a lot of unnecessary deaths due to a rogue NM or boss.

It definitely had it's uses and given that mnk feet is one of the worst places for our equip vs. other jobs at the same equip slot, it's not a horrible thing to give to a person who does mnk to a lot of things. But seriously, it's just a toy and really doesn't matter who you give it to, it's a play thing, so give it based on attendance is probably the most fair thing or sell/split.

They aren't worth much now but before I quit I got about 150+m for mine less than a year ago.

[Lawliet]

Sell gaiters, fund relic.

[draxyl]

Man, they are fun as shit on monk in Ballista.

[Lordwafik]

The person who's about to leave your LS, duh. /snuggles stolen gaiters

[Sidanoir]

Gaiters are definitely a luxury item to some degree but they do have uses just like Striders and Crimson Legs...

Most of the uses involve training, kiting mobs, improving BLM solo ability, getting to Tiamat faster stuff like that..

Personally I find them useful to give to people to scout for the SJ ??? in COP dynamis as well as scouting around sea for ??? etc....

I would not let job come into the decision when deciding who gets them...

As far as selling them, well I don't think its the right thing to do unless EVERYBODY agrees.....

Cause I am sure some people would want to sell Adaman Hauberks/Ridills too right? Or something stupid lol...but its accepted to give out rare/ex gear not sell...

Really dictated by what your shell wants and if there is a deserving individual regardless of job imho..

Granted we have seen 14? gaiters....and lost about half of them to people quitting so yeah...maybe sell woulda been nice

[Judai]

Reading this thread over, I don't think people have a clue what Gaiters can do on the feet of the right BLM. MNKs, SMNs, WHMs, don't get anywhere near the amount of use a BLM can get. Makes me sad people try to say it's just a luxary item. I still think Selling for Relic is better but don't try to say MNKs get better use then BLMs, lolol. The only Kite fight even left for WHMs to use would be KB too. Luxary to most but crazy dangerous with the right BLM.

[Zosi]

Reading this thread over, I don't think people have a clue what Gaiters can do on the feet of the right BLM. MNKs, SMNs, WHMs, don't get anywhere near the amount of use a BLM can get. Makes me sad people try to say it's just a luxary item. I still think Selling for Relic is better but don't try to say MNKs get better use then BLMs, lolol. The only Kite fight even left for WHMs to use would be KB too. Luxary to most but crazy dangerous with the right BLM.

That's why I listed "hardcore solo BLM" first. I'll note that I don't think they should be given away based on job priorities, my LS doesn't do it that way, and I wouldn't want them to.

[Suiram]

Reading this thread over, I don't think people have a clue what Gaiters can do on the feet of the right BLM. MNKs, SMNs, WHMs, don't get anywhere near the amount of use a BLM can get. Makes me sad people try to say it's just a luxary item. I still think Selling for Relic is better but don't try to say MNKs get better use then BLMs, lolol. The only Kite fight even left for WHMs to use would be KB too. Luxary to most but crazy dangerous with the right BLM.

I don't think that anyone actually disputes what a BLM can do with gaiters. The distinction is that most of that stuff is solo/duo situation, and not something which serves a broader LS interest. You could argue I guess that BLM can more effectively solo/duo, for example, NMs in sea or limbus with them, which is true, but if a BLM is forced to solo/duo to progress your LS in sea and limbus, if anything that's more an argument for giving him priority on Novio or Nashira than on gaiters.

[Sidanoir]

The added benefit they provide to BLM doesn't justify giving them to only BLM if someone else with jobs that can use it have far more contributions to the shell

[Judai]

The added benefit they provide to BLM doesn't justify giving them to only BLM if someone else with jobs that can use it have far more contributions to the shell

I didn't say that and if you read my post, I think they should be sold for LS gil or given to dedicated members. I just find it funny people like the MNK a few posts ago think they get more use out of them and some people think they are only good for getting to HNMs faster. Some people just obviously don't know what they can be used for it seems.

[Nirokun!]

i think selling something like gaiters is just retarded lol

[Sci]

Gaiters for a BLM can be used in a lot more situations than just solo/duoing. Running around in Sea looking for ???s I can pretty much ignore all aggro and keep on running. And then there's stuff like Einherjar and Salvage. Before the LBC nerf was discovered, I often was tanking as BLM/NIN which is fairly easy with gaiters. I'd go as far to toss Sleeps and Binds and Stuns at LBC if my MP was low, just to keep hate on it so RNGs and other BLMs could do more damage as I'd run out of range of Homing Missiles and almost never getting hit by anything. Pretty much any situation that you can actually kite the monster a BLM can be benefited with Gaiters if they know what they're doing.

But like anything in the game, you can argue them being a luxury item if you want. Because there's still almost nothing that you can't beat in full AF anyhow.

[aurik]

The added benefit they provide to BLM doesn't justify giving them to only BLM if someone else with jobs that can use it have far more contributions to the shell

I didn't say that and if you read my post, I think they should be sold for LS gil or given to dedicated members. I just find it funny people like the MNK a few posts ago think they get more use out of them and some people think they are only good for getting to HNMs faster. Some people just obviously don't know what they can be used for it seems.

Who said they were more useful on mnk than blm? I don't see it. Also, training sea can be done on any job with gaiters or crimson.