I pushed an old man down some stairs.

[TsingTao]

You and your friends did something slightly stupid. A stupid old man overreacted to your slightly stupid act. You both drove around stupidly for a while. He did something really stupid and hit you. You did something especially stupid back and pushed him down some stairs (in the back as he was running away no less) instead of just laughing at how stupid he was as he ran off. You might get sued over the whole stupid incident.

Morale of the story? Don't do stupid shit. Or the world is full of stupid people. Both apply. Hopefully nothing bad will come of the incident...but try not to sink to other people's level of stupid in the future. At least it made for a funny story.

[Tyr]

Great story, I got a good laugh. Then I saw this:

That's weird just yesterday some jerk pushed my grandfather down a flight of stai.... hey wait a minute....

And now i can't stop laughing.

[Malaquist]

In my opinion the self-defense plea won't work. He fled after he hit you (like a coward) and at that point he was in a WAY vulnerable position to get seriously injured, or even killed.

Self-defense laws vary by state, but I took a class for it last semester (and yes I am aware that this does not make me an expert in law) and one of the biggest points that they drilled into us is that you have any chance of backing away from a confrontation, you're supposed to take it. Considering that this guy was apparently running away, and I assume you had plenty of room to make your own escape, I don't think a self-defense plea is going to hold up. Compounding the matter is that you're only supposed to use enough force to stop whatever's happening, and it sounds more like you retaliated than simply defended. Between that and the bible-tossing it's not making a great case for yourself. Certainly the old guy isn't in the right either since he did follow you and swing at you, but I wouldn't expect to get away scot-free for those escapades.

[Skyylya]

first thing I would do is remove this story so that nobody finds it and uses it against you!

You have witness' he doesn't. You can prove that he followed you to a place that he had no business being at. He can't prove you threw anything out of your car as he didn't stop and pick up the bible, just hear-say that he saw it. He hit you which your witness' can attest to. The only thing he has going for him is his age and any sympathy he can get for that. Other than that he doesn't have a case or anyone to corroborate anything that he claims. Also, he can't even prove that if you threw something out of your vehicle, it wasn't to someone you knew on the trolly.

His case full of holes/lack of evidence.

[Norelco]

Perhaps the old man's lawyer will come here for legal advice and see this thread.

[Eaglestrike]

In my opinion the self-defense plea won't work. He fled after he hit you (like a coward) and at that point he was in a WAY vulnerable position to get seriously injured, or even killed.

Self-defense laws vary by state, but I took a class for it last semester (and yes I am aware that this does not make me an expert in law) and one of the biggest points that they drilled into us is that you have any chance of backing away from a confrontation, you're supposed to take it. Considering that this guy was apparently running away, and I assume you had plenty of room to make your own escape, I don't think a self-defense plea is going to hold up. Compounding the matter is that you're only supposed to use enough force to stop whatever's happening, and it sounds more like you retaliated than simply defended. Between that and the bible-tossing it's not making a great case for yourself. Certainly the old guy isn't in the right either since he did follow you and swing at you, but I wouldn't expect to get away scot-free for those escapades.

At the least the old man should be in more trouble than he is, if they were to press charges against each other. In which case I doubt the old man will do anything, I'd imagine he'd be a little more reasonable once he settled down about the incident. He was more in the wrong than Mioko, and the only one supporting his claims is himself.

[Kurp]

At the least the old man should be in more trouble than he is, if they were to press charges against each other. In which case I doubt the old man will do anything, I'd imagine he'd be a little more reasonable once he settled down about the incident. He was more in the wrong than Mioko, and the only one supporting his claims is himself.

Yeah, I think I would agree if Mioko's well crafted version was the only one I would be hearing.

[thestalkmore]

I lol'd

[Remyo]

Man yesterday some kid tossed a book at some folks, so I went to do my civic duty and tell them off politely. I follow the kids and stay far away because they are driving recklessly. doing u -turns with me behind, almost hitting my land rover. They park and flee the car because they spotted me. little did they know I was track & field champion back in 1911. I catch up to them at the top of the stairs, I say " Excuse me, but you shouldn't litter. Also, you could've injured-" I was intterupted when all 3 of them shove me down the stairs. They then heckle me as I try to seek medical attention from the receptionist. Help me /bg/.


In all seriousness self defense is not from an old man hitting a young man. There has to be a threat like if he had a weapon and you had none. however, there was physical provocation, so you are most likely in the clear as far as jail time is concerned. Suing is another matter and people sue people for less, so idk. but then you could counter with his first attack on you, harrassment, stalking w/e you could find. but then again you have witnesses that can corroborate any story you have, he as far as I can has none. best not to lie though can start a huge shit fest with that.

[wyrmtung]

Self defense would so work. When he goes for his car, Mioko has no idea if he's getting a weapon or what. This guy is capable of anything at this point. Plus he followed him a long time with his car, intimidating him by tailgating with his SUV and practically using it as a weapon when he aggresively tried to block him off. I would think that there was a case to sue the old shit. Maybe you don't win but I think your case is valid enough to be heard in court.

[Remyo]

I think it best to not do anything as far as suing him, unless he sues you.

[Koyuki]

Oh jesus I lol'd.


Find out where he lives and litter his floor with mouse traps.







YEA

[Stormcrown]

Self Defense. Put on a crappy pair of jeans and fall down on some steps and take pics of the red marks.

BTW the old man was so hysterical from assaulting you, he ran down the stairs and his geiser ass stumbled and took him the rest of the way down. At most one of the deans will call you in and ask whats up. Whats the old man gonna say when a judge asks what he was even doing on campus anyways?

Yeah, I'm sure there was no reason for an older man to be on campus.

-Employment
-Extended education
-Relatives
-Public facilities
-Sports, plays, concerts
-Public meetings, political gatherings, clubs, etc

He told her he was pressing charges and claimed that the book he was holding was the one we threw at some innocent bystanders down the road

Obviously, earlier that day he saw some kids throw a book at some innocent people on the road. Watching this, he immediately memorized their license plate number. Then, by lucky coincidence, he saw the SAME car when he was going to the university (for whatever reason).

If he presses charges, press charges against him for harassment and assault. Find out who was on the tour bus and hopefully someone saw your friend throw the book. (Meaning that unless he got very lucky, he followed you.) Find those girls that were watching and have them explain that the old man pushed you first.

Yeah, it's early so that probably doesn't make sense. But seriously, L O L

[othellojr]

Just reread everything...and realized how immature alot of people on BG forums are, honestly to say "lol" and "this is funny" ; if anything this is pathetic, when going over it again, it was an old man...and I would assume you are late teens, early twenties, so wtf would you even push him? Where you really threatened by an old man that you had to push him down some stairs?

If anything, I would lol at your stupidity, and take back my statement that I hope nothing bad happens to you, anything that the school, the old man, and possibly any law enforcement would do to you, you deserve it for your actions in the incident. Really, maybe you will wake the fuck up and everyone else saying it was funny and grow the fuck up. (my grandfather did die from someone pushing him down some stairs seven years ago, so yeah, really its stupid not funny)

[Remyo]

Just reread everything...and realized how immature alot of people on BG forums are, honestly to say "lol" and "this is funny" ; if anything this is pathetic, when going over it again, it was an old man...and I would assume you are late teens, early twenties, so wtf would you even push him? Where you really threatened by an old man that you had to push him down some stairs?

If anything, I would lol at your stupidity, and take back my statement that I hope nothing bad happens to you, anything that the school, the old man, and possibly any law enforcement would do to you, you deserve it for your actions in the incident. Really, maybe you will wake the fuck up and everyone else saying it was funny and grow the fuck up. (my grandfather did die from someone pushing him down some stairs seven years ago, so yeah, really its stupid not funny)

to be fair it was unneccessary for the old man to follow him, then confront him, then he physically assaulted him, and I doubt he was over late fifties. if your grandfather hit whomever pushed him down the stairs then he may have had it coming, not death, but retaliated on yes.

[Maguspk]

lol nice job owning that old guy

[othellojr]

My grandfather died, because someone thought he was walking down the steps too slow and shoved him out of the way..no provocation, just shoved him and he fell, hit his head, and never woke up from his injuries... but thats neither here nor there, fact is, it was very cowardly to push an older man down some stairs, specially since the old man's back was to mioko..which is pretty damn worst than the old man hitting him.

[Maguspk]

My grandfather died, because someone thought he was walking down the steps too slow and shoved him out of the way..no provocation, just shoved him and he fell, hit his head, and never woke up from his injuries... but thats neither here nor there, fact is, it was very cowardly to push an older man down some stairs, specially since the old man's back was to mioko..which is pretty damn worst than the old man hitting him.

That's a totally different situation. Your grandpa wasn't being a douchebag about some teenagers/young adults fooling around. He didn't go out of his way, multiple times for that matter, to get a shot to hit the person.

Mioko's old guy = deserved even though he might've been old maybe crazy?
Your old guy = unfortunate but don't ruin the thread with that depressing stuff that's totally unrelated

[Unklemonkey]

My grandfather died, because someone thought he was walking down the steps too slow and shoved him out of the way..no provocation, just shoved him and he fell, hit his head, and never woke up from his injuries... but thats neither here nor there, fact is, it was very cowardly to push an older man down some stairs, specially since the old man's back was to mioko..which is pretty damn worst than the old man hitting him.

If Mioko's side of the story is accurate the guy obviously had some rage problems, and initiated the physical contact... Not sure why you're even comparing the stories

[miokomioko]

In response to the fact that I pushed him while he was running away from me, there was a very small duration of time between me lunging back at him in retaliation and him turning his back, perhaps less than a second. It's crazy how fast these things go by when you're involved. I made like two large steps at him, and he turned as I was doing that, I still had momentum towards him. It was definitely not like I was chasing him down the whole flight of stairs and finally caught up to him and hit him. He's just fucking lucky he turned around as I pushed or else he would have gone tumbling down backwards the whole thing. Also, keep in mind this dude was not pathetically frail and old or anything. I had no idea if he was some war vet or something, he was definitely spry enough to run up and scale these stairs faster than I and also enough agility to fucking cross-check me off the stairs.

In my opinion, it was the most blatent provoking I've ever seen. The correspondance between us was not violent at all, I didn't care that he was going to talk to anyone at my school. It was talk talk talk talk push, step step push. The end.

The book tossing though... that was blown so out of proportion. I know it was stupid, and I was irritated that my roomate was being a highschool student or something and throwing shit out of my car but you can't honestly be in control of that shit sometimes as a driver. I saw the book leave my window and it came nowhere near hitting anyone. From anyone else's point of view it would have looked like littering. It hit the ground and slid under a bus.



A book leaves a car window. (oh no, report my license plate and go home)
A man starts tailgating me. (trying to intimidate me with his car; aka 'deadly weapon')
He follows me to my destination. (it was obvious he wasn't there for any other reason)
He chases me around a parking lot. (increasing probability that this guy was psycho)
He purposely comes inches from hitting my car and me as a pedestrian. (assault with a deadly weapon)
He approaches me to tell me he's tattling on me. (I didn't care and told him to go ahead)
He hits me and just stands there. (completely unprovoked)
I immediately retaliate. (I don't know what else he's going to try on me if he just did that randomly)
He turns as I lunge back at him. (what did he expect?)
I push him (ungh)
He falls (oof)
I walk away.

I did not want to fight him whatsoever. He attacked me, I immediately responded. I happened to make him fall.

Apparently the campus security and whatnot totally don't care about what happened, they called me before I even left campus a half hour later. He just needs to go by the books and file a report because it happened on their property. I have 2 witnesses to how fucking psycho this guy got after my roomated simply lobbed a little paperback book onto the street. I don't really know if Krystal and the two bystanders saw him hit me first, which sucks. The bystanders didn't say a word about the incident either, though I'm sure they saw him speed up and almost hit me.

I don't know, this whole situation was so retarded. I just honestly didn't know what the fuck this crazed dude planned on doing to me because I didn't care that he was going to "tell on me" to my school faculty. I didn't know if he planned on throwing some punches since he just stood there, he didn't just hit me and run away. He hit me and stood there just barely out of arm's reach. I guess it would be one thing if I hit him back and stood over him or wailed on him. But I pushed him back and walked away. I'm sure he's going to leave out of his story that he chased me, almost hit me twice, and attacked me first. I can't wait to hear his side if I ever get contacted, which I imagine should be soon.