A Bad GM decision?

[Vodou]

There seems to be a lack of information here.

As far as someone saying earlier in the thread about killing with the same amount of people in an hour: I can't really say much about this without bringing up more drama that I don't want in my legitimate thread. All I can say is look at the poster who made that comment and then search comments about this poster. I can guarantee you that this didn't happen as I'm sure anyone here will state. Ask whoever you want about being able to kill Khim with 7 in an hour. Hydra yes easily but Khimaira no.

Luniarians did Khimmy with 7 in 1 hour... sorry if this seems irrelevant, but I was there and it was not ever close to a wipe. Mind you, its not the way we would "want" to do it, but it was doable, so we apparently did over 4 times the damage with 1 fewer person.

To beat the dead horse, well yes, 12% in 30 mins is not 0%, but its slowby. It does not matter IMO, once the GM shows up and says start killing it or disengage, then you have your choice. No one posted the exact conversation on what happened, so the thread sorta speculates, but if a GM shows up, sees a sliver of damage done so far and hardly a crew capable of killing, asks to see progress made on killing, then gets no reply or sees no progress, it sorta seems obvious to me.

The server side LS politics aside, the "guys are on the way" aside, we all know that the rule is not if you do 1 HP of damage per hour, or 1% for 30 mins, nor if you do a good job with a few people, or an amazing job with only 4 white mages, etc. Khimmy should never take 4 and 1/2 hours to kill. It simply is not reasonable.

I just think: after 30 mins the only DD there is a botted WAR. Doesnt seem like there was an urgency to do the deed.

[Dammerung]

There seems to be a lack of information here.

As far as someone saying earlier in the thread about killing with the same amount of people in an hour: I can't really say much about this without bringing up more drama that I don't want in my legitimate thread. All I can say is look at the poster who made that comment and then search comments about this poster. I can guarantee you that this didn't happen as I'm sure anyone here will state. Ask whoever you want about being able to kill Khim with 7 in an hour. Hydra yes easily but Khimaira no.

Luniarians did Khimmy with 7 in 1 hour... sorry if this seems irrelevant, but I was there and it was not ever close to a wipe. Mind you, its not the way we would "want" to do it, but it was doable, so we apparently did over 4 times the damage with 1 fewer person.

To beat the dead horse, well yes, 12% in 30 mins is not 0%, but its slowby, but umm, it does not matter IMO, once the GM shows up and says start killing it or disengage, then you have your choice. No one posted the exact conversation on what happened, so the thread sorta speculates, but if a GM shows up, sees a sliver of damage done so far and hardly a crew capable of killing, asks to see progress made on killing, then gets no reply or sees no progress, it sorta seems obvious to me.

The server side LS politics aside, the "guys are on the way" aside, we all know that the rule is not if you do 1 HP of damage per hour, or 1% for 30 mins, nor if you do a good job with a few people, or an amazing job with only 4 white mages, etc. Khimmy should never take 4 and 1/2 hours to kill. It simply is not reasonable.

I just think: after 30 mins the only DD there is a botted WAR. Doesnt seem like there was an urgency to do the deed.

When you low man something, job setup naturally plays a huge role in how effective you are. If, for example, I wasn't in class in the morning and had come out, Deevo could have come ranger and we would have had steady damage, probably killing it around 1-1.5hr if nobody else came to help, and the other white mage could likely have changed to bard.

[Healer]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...griefbgtm9.jpg

This is absolutely epic. I'm going to keep a copy of this pic.

EDIT: And might I add I ROFL'd pretty fucking hard when I saw this...
Major loss on SE's part...

[ringthree]

<--- Admittedly an asshole and seeking help for it! The only cure? PUSSY.

From reading this thread it is plainly evident that pussy is not something you or your LS has in short supply.

[MisterBob]

One time Cichy got hit by Flare while kiting a single demon in Dynamis-Xarcabard as a NIN.

[Cichy]

hi bob

[Medivac]

GMs aren't supposed to be able to make that call if you state simply that "you are waiting for more to arrive."

If you talked to a GM before he sent you to jail, you should have told him that. GMs constantly say that they can't take action with holding monsters if you're waiting for more people to show up. Yes, that GM definitely stepped out of line if he didn't talk to one of your members first.

It's a very easy cop-out. Just say you're waiting for more people and they can't do shit.

Uh... the "waiting for more people" excuse is exactly why people held HNMs in the first place, and why it was a problem. You're not supposed to hold an HNM with 3-4 people for 30 min until reinforcements get there, and that's what GMs will get you for.

Your reinforcements should be there in 30 minutes or less. Much like a Domino's Pizza.

And the only thing that I hate worse than a low-man group taking forever to kill something is when several parties take forever to kill something easy. Like 10 minute NQ Behemoths with 12 or more people.

or a 1 minute adamantoise? amiright?

[Fade]

lol, I knew I shouldn't have said anything, as Eiladar was seeking that kind of reaction, Classi.

Respect on this server is called, Diaga'ing slept darters while pulling spiders thru fafhogg. There are no innocent linkshells here and GMing on a whim is but a small part in what goes on in the Wonderful World of Fenrir.

Respect is not given away freely, Eiladar; It's earned. Why do you think all the other linkshells get along and have mutual respect for everyone else, with an exception of yours? Look no further than this very thread. While I respect a few choice individuals within Kupo, that's something dwindling away, day-by-day.

Nicely put, one thing I've noticed is that even though I'm not in one of these HNM shells is that whenever Fenrir drama is started it always involves Kupo. Every other LS on Fenrir Omen, Vanquish, ect... seem to be able to get along with other. I think even the JP shells hate Kupo also. To sum it all up Kupo = scum of Fenrir

[DnightX]

It's more about respect, let them deal with their shit. If they wipe...Fair game! Otherwise sit tight. If you don't like it, move along. Coming from a linkshell that small mans shit a lot, I know what it's like to get GM calls. Empathy, empathy.

Respect on this server is called, Diaga'ing slept darters while pulling spiders thru fafhogg. There are no innocent linkshells here and GMing on a whim is but a small part in what goes on in the Wonderful World of Fenrir.

Actually that's just your linkshell. The other HNMLS are on good terms with each other, or at least a mutual respect to let the other do their thing when they win claim and no /say /emote etc. harassment on a daily basis

This made me lol

[Zim]

It's officially time to pull the real life card out on this useless thread.

What happens when you receive a PM of this caliber?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../Relevance.png

Well, you find their RL picturezzzz!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...FK/Eiladar.jpg

[Charismatic]

and then get bant?
Isn't it against some rule here to post pics of folks without their consent?

[Remembrance]

Zimphhhhhhhh why don't you fuck me no moreeeeee

[Darkslitter]

and then get bant?
Isn't it against some rule here to post pics of folks without their consent?

he and his ls have done it 3 times in the other thread

[Eiladar]

It's officially time to pull the real life card out on this useless thread.

What happens when you receive a PM of this caliber?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../Relevance.png

Well, you find their RL picturezzzz!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...FK/Eiladar.jpg

Drats! Fooled again I am clearly not A-List porn star Peter North!

I thought I told your mom to erase that pic she took of me on the shitter!

But checkout the emo bitch himself Zimph in his gothic bliss at:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=47163104

http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/0...32584937_l.jpg

This was my favorite, gotta nice little mustache comin in there son. Or is that dirt?

[Melchiah]

There seems to be a lack of information here.

As far as someone saying earlier in the thread about killing with the same amount of people in an hour: I can't really say much about this without bringing up more drama that I don't want in my legitimate thread. All I can say is look at the poster who made that comment and then search comments about this poster. I can guarantee you that this didn't happen as I'm sure anyone here will state. Ask whoever you want about being able to kill Khim with 7 in an hour. Hydra yes easily but Khimaira no.

Luniarians did Khimmy with 7 in 1 hour... sorry if this seems irrelevant, but I was there and it was not ever close to a wipe. Mind you, its not the way we would "want" to do it, but it was doable, so we apparently did over 4 times the damage with 1 fewer person.

To beat the dead horse, well yes, 12% in 30 mins is not 0%, but its slowby. It does not matter IMO, once the GM shows up and says start killing it or disengage, then you have your choice. No one posted the exact conversation on what happened, so the thread sorta speculates, but if a GM shows up, sees a sliver of damage done so far and hardly a crew capable of killing, asks to see progress made on killing, then gets no reply or sees no progress, it sorta seems obvious to me.

The server side LS politics aside, the "guys are on the way" aside, we all know that the rule is not if you do 1 HP of damage per hour, or 1% for 30 mins, nor if you do a good job with a few people, or an amazing job with only 4 white mages, etc. Khimmy should never take 4 and 1/2 hours to kill. It simply is not reasonable.

I just think: after 30 mins the only DD there is a botted WAR. Doesnt seem like there was an urgency to do the deed.

Still doesn't get around the fact that SE's policy regarding holding is specifically worded to address intentional and gross adjustment of a spawn window to keep it in more favorable time zones. It doesn't fucking matter how slow they were killing it, or how fast some other group of 7 people can kill it, they were not violating the holding policy. If they had him under %90, any reasonable person would conclude intent to kill. The point here is that they had intent enough to kill it to do over %10 damage, the GM was making up policy on the fly( or is just a complete retard), calling the GM was a bitch move, and that about sums it up.

[Zim]

I was about to slit my dog's throat and then part my lips on the wound... sucking the blood out while red rocketing my other dog.

But she looked at my erect penis and screamed "QUINN PITCOCK." This caused me to ironically glare directly at my sister, who took a picture.

I call it: "Failing Life"

By the way, the myspace is linked in my current sig, sir.

[Melchiah]

I was about to slit my dog's throat and then part my lips on the wound... sucking the blood out while red rocketing my other dog.

But she looked at my erect penis and screamed "QUINN PITCOCK." This caused me to ironically glare directly at my sister, who took a picture.

I call it: "Failing Life"

By the way, the myspace is linked in my current sig, sir.

I...

I have nothing. Well done sir. This exceeds any random vileness I have ever come up with to disrupt a discussion. I don't even think Zalius can top this.

[Healer]

It's officially time to pull the real life card out on this useless thread.

What happens when you receive a PM of this caliber?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../Relevance.png

Well, you find their RL picturezzzz!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...FK/Eiladar.jpg

Drats! Fooled again I am clearly not A-List porn star Peter North!

I thought I told your mom to erase that pic she took of me on the shitter!

But checkout the emo bitch himself Zimph in his gothic bliss at:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=47163104

http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/0...32584937_l.jpg

This was my favorite, gotta nice little mustache comin in there son. Or is that dirt?

I lol'd

[Zim]

I was about to slit my dog's throat and then part my lips on the wound... sucking the blood out while red rocketing my other dog.

But she looked at my erect penis and screamed "QUINN PITCOCK." This caused me to ironically glare directly at my sister, who took a picture.

I call it: "Failing Life"

By the way, the myspace is linked in my current sig, sir.

I...

I have nothing. Well done sir. This exceeds any random vileness I have ever come up with to disrupt a discussion. I don't even think Zalius can top this.

Thank you.

[omgleggonowai]

I've read most of this, and I have some thing's to say, i won't quote cus itt'l get a bit confusing.

Dnight, it made you lol, when dammerung said that, but you know for a fact it's completely true.. We respect everyone, believe it or not. I think roni's attempt was outta shear fustration of you guys' idiocy. I mean, you personally, have attempted to mpk about 10 times in the last 6months i've been on the game. That doesn't include eiladars, jumeyas, soma's, and sin's attempts (btw lol at that cyber). And we have tried, not as an ls decision but a member decision, once. Now, before you go and say it was your and only your decision, please tell me why you mt'd "should i try it again" after attempting to run a spiuder through Twinkleorb's Fafnir (it's only faf).

Eiladar, I didn't get kicked cus I hit wrong macro and horded the darters, i got kicked cus i told sacks to STFU. You also said that we GM'd you guys for KV, I can't even began to counthow many times you and your "linkshell" has done that. And I apologize for us taking to long to kill something, next time we'll be sure it'll be killed while your on...so we can kill between 12am and 12am right?....We don't care how long it takes us to kill, we've done 7min faf's soooo what who cares how fast we kill....we have the mob carry on with your life of ffxi.


It's quite possible that I'm wrong for posting this post, but really, you guys are more at fault then you think. IIRC you guys started because people left your ls to join us....and revenge was your motive. Woopdy-do...we've proved we can kill everyuthing you can kill....with more precision.....like having 3 stunners on cerb and not whiping compared to your 2x cerb whipes with 6+ stuns.

It's evident that you guys get jealous when we claim, and when we kill....you guys shrug it off by the stupid "/em waves to Kai. or /em checks his watch." So it was 40min, we killed you didn't get the fuck off our nuts and go play the game and ahve fun rather then trying your hardest to get me gm'd or anyone else....if it brings that much joy to you become a police officer. (and bring up when i got raka banned, lolfunny) I swear you guys act like it's the last NM to ever pop.

Of course the GM was called by a rival linkshell I guess who hates that we can actually kill Khimaira with 7 instead of wiping, who knows.

Cept we killed it with 7 in about an hour 5 MONTHS AGO, and have gotten it to 80% with 4 people in about 20 minutes. Next time don't bio it to hell while you have 3 PLDs flashing it to death.

4ppl 20percent no hate control...ya' ok.
No brd you die.
No whm or rdm you die.

1 tank any dd rdm brd can't damage that much.....you die.
2 tanks will need a brd w/ 1 dd and no healer...you die.
so i think that was a wipe or never actually occured man

I still smell the reak of jealousy when you guys spam bar-spells during fulmi stage so we can miss stun...lol you guys don't like us..that's evident. We don't like you guys, that's evident also. Whoever claims let them fight the mob, if they wipe they wipe...if they lose they lose. and IIRC it didn't pop maxlate....so if it would've popped max late that would of been 3-4 hours later. If your complaining about time would you guys of called gm if we claimed w/ fully ally?........or wait, if we woulda wiped we woulda wiped about an hour before max late, you would hav ethe mob and win get drops and be all happy merry. If we taking too long just keep hold team out there....i dunno just 2 outta your 1 million tanks, a healer and a brd...i mean im sure others wont complain.

No, kai doens't play, and yes you can check your watch all you want.

Kupo stop being stupid and stop w/ the stupid stuff please, it's very annoying.