Battle Adjustments (08/23/2007) (BST, PUP, COR adjustments)

[Stolin]

This is nice, but it wasn't the updage for BST I was hoping for. This update caters to the exp/merit monkies. I'm still dreaming of an update where we can charm hpmedes, phuabos, euhvis, and xzomits in sea which would strengthen some of our(or give us) end game usefulness.

[deivi]

I've always accepted any invite whilst seeking on BRD, not all of us are that elitist >.>

if it werent for BRDs like you I'd never get to pt with one

[theo]

I was thinking more in terms of what dmg the BRD would actually put out themselves not via buffs to other people.

Notice my post specifically says buffs <.<;

And uh, if a RDM melees or nukes in a merit pt he should probably be kicked. Unless its one of those "nuke to save the chain" kind of deals, but then you have other problems to worry about

Edit: yes i fail at quoting ; ;

[Sagacious Sundi]

I think BST should get a "Charm Mastery" trait at mid/high levels that allows them to charm:
-Definitely: Xzomits, euvhis, and anything they were able to charm long ago (and newer mobs that would fall under what was able to be charmed)
-Maybe: Phuabos, hpemdes, and hell hounds

[BerenTebogo]

After 5 years of

Bard: "I won't join unless you have a NIN & RDM and my pre-approved list of melee job types and we camp where I want and I get to afk and reserve the right to drop party at any moment and insult all your party members."

I say thank god something finally challenges its strangle hold on the game.

He translates, he is looked up to by many, and now he speaks the truth. He is Elmer! He has balls of steel!

New seacom inc -> dont invite unless you have 2 BRDs and a COR or I will blist you.

Win.

[Siatdiat]

This is nice, but it wasn't the updage for BST I was hoping for. This update caters to the exp/merit monkies. I'm still dreaming of an update where we can charm hpmedes, phuabos, euhvis, and xzomits in sea which would strengthen some of our(or give us) end game usefulness.

The sad thing, is if they want to keep some kind of limit on it, just make a 5-10 minute cool down ability like a seal that allows BST to charm more mobs, and it would stay up about 30 seconds, so you can have a second chance if mischarm.

[FinalJustice]

Bye Princess bards?

http://www.arthurchappell.clara.net/bard.gif

[Keftenk]

This is nice, but it wasn't the updage for BST I was hoping for. This update caters to the exp/merit monkies. I'm still dreaming of an update where we can charm hpmedes, phuabos, euhvis, and xzomits in sea which would strengthen some of our(or give us) end game usefulness.

The sad thing, is if they want to keep some kind of limit on it, just make a 5-10 minute cool down ability like a seal that allows BST to charm more mobs, and it would stay up about 30 seconds, so you can have a second chance if mischarm.

Lol, that'd be pretty nice.
Make that a merit ability to replace our lolcircle merit.

[Jkun]

After 5 years of

Bard: "I won't join unless you have a NIN & RDM and my pre-approved list of melee job types and we camp where I want and I get to afk and reserve the right to drop party at any moment and insult all your party members."

I say thank god something finally challenges its strangle hold on the game.

He translates, he is looked up to by many, and now he speaks the truth. He is Elmer! He has balls of steel!

New seacom inc -> dont invite unless you have 2 BRDs and a COR or I will blist you.
Win.

Yeah actually, YOUR seacoms are the most elitist anyone in FFXI has witnessed, rofl. Blacklisting non BRDs ftw

[Spider-Dan]

about COR,
I dont think they're gonna enhance the effect of XI results (many are already stronger than 2 bard songs, think Evoker) because it would make the job kinda broken.

Corsair
After the version update, corsairs across Vana'diel will be the happy recipients of several job enhancements.
For starters, the effect of Phantom Roll will be augmented so that the effects can be felt even when neither a large nor Lucky Roll is made. To make a comparison, the efficacy of a corsair's roll will generally exceed that of a bard's song. Should a corsair roll an 11, the efficacy will, for the most part, exceed that of two bard's songs.

It's an "update note," not a "telling you something that you already have" note.

[Sho]

Yay now I might actually finish bst instead of force feeding it exp scrolls! lol

*hi-fives* Need to feed my BST a scroll today to hit lvl 68. It just so happens that I'm lvling COR from 46 onto 75 shortly after BST.

Dear SE,

<3

[Dakana]

So much sex, so little time. Now to go get my pup out not that I can do some real DMG yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[BerenTebogo]

After 5 years of

Bard: "I won't join unless you have a NIN & RDM and my pre-approved list of melee job types and we camp where I want and I get to afk and reserve the right to drop party at any moment and insult all your party members."

I say thank god something finally challenges its strangle hold on the game.

He translates, he is looked up to by many, and now he speaks the truth. He is Elmer! He has balls of steel!

New seacom inc -> dont invite unless you have 2 BRDs and a COR or I will blist you.
Win.

Yeah actually, YOUR seacoms are the most elitist anyone in FFXI has witnessed, rofl. Blacklisting non BRDs ftw

Can't have any pesky DRGs getting the chance to merit their jump timers on my dime now can I?

[Damane]

Corsair...yeah...so is BRD getting sonic nukes then? The ability to put 3-4 songs on people?
Great for them, but I fail to see how taking a hybrid job with moderate DD capability and boosting their instant-use job ability buffs to be 100-200% of those of a job whose sole purpose is buffing is balanced.

please dont talk of COR as if it would be overpowered, when BRD has as the only job in FFXI the ability to cast a 50% slow on a mob that stacks with the normal Slow spell. Not to mention of Carols brds have, threnodys etc. You still seem to forget that most HNMs are "100-fist-monks" when you dont have elegy at your disposal. not to mention of lullaby and horde lullaby, the eternal sleep duo. I dont consider this update beeing so ZOMG broken COR, it will even out the things between COR and BRD. Please dont tell me you are crying that you might loose your princess status

[Jkun]

about COR,
I dont think they're gonna enhance the effect of XI results (many are already stronger than 2 bard songs, think Evoker) because it would make the job kinda broken.

Corsair
After the version update, corsairs across Vana'diel will be the happy recipients of several job enhancements.
For starters, the effect of Phantom Roll will be augmented so that the effects can be felt even when neither a large nor Lucky Roll is made. To make a comparison, the efficacy of a corsair's roll will generally exceed that of a bard's song. Should a corsair roll an 11, the efficacy will, for the most part, exceed that of two bard's songs.

It's an "update note," not a "telling you something that you already have" note.

lol, that made me laugh so hard for reasons unknown to me.

[Ryko]

I do find it funny that both sides (with a couple of exceptions) make it sound like the bard won't be getting parties for some reason. Last I checked healing RDMs don't sub BLM so you're missing an AoE sleep as well as elegy.

[NynJa]

edit : Btw this patch just made BST AF2 useful, for those not in the know, +CHARM on gear extends charm length, +CHR affects success rate of charm. Now that there is no penalty, there is more reason to charm a T mob for your party, so there will be more reason for a BST to equip AF2 while charming to extend the duration. Even match mobs charm lasts forever, T shorter, VT much shorter, IT.... better familiar ;p

Someone may have answered this, but I'm pretty sure the penalty they're refering to is having a mob charmed at the end of a fight, not having a T/VT mob fight with you.

[deivi]

so is DRG gonna reclaim their throne or what

[Ryko]

so is DRG gonna reclaim their throne or what

Good one.

[vagus]

lol@"Bst's are elite, these changes are stupid"

Guess what, Bst really isn't that damn hard to level, just takes some patience and insanity, yeah, it makes me sad seeing lowbies coming up using Jugs in parties, but it's all worth it when they mischarm a linking mob during a petswap later, freak out and try to run away (even better from a mob with fast movement), and realise they forgot the cardinal rule of Bst: You're gonna die, don't let your Reraise lapse.

Lol. Bst was hard to level before patches by SE. This patch definetly makes soloing BST much much easier. The "Stay/Heal" command pretty much removes the "Ghetto Release". We will have to see if charming Tough mobs will effect XP. If it doesn't it will be interesting to see how that will come into play at level 75.

In terms of using BST end game, this patch has done little to fix that problem. Jugpets are still capped, still very ineffective in sea / sky / dynamis / nyzul isle & at most kings. They should have made "Sic" similiar to what summoners have. Also removed caps of jugs and made a variety of new jugs.

Bst @ 75 is still one of the toughest things to do in the game. This patch will make it more fun for people to level it.

As for the Corsair and Pup Updates. I can care less about Pup. Still useless in my eyes. As for the Corsair, a very interesting patch for them. More corsairs in the game is something we all cannot complain about. Lol.

-V