Battle Adjustments (08/23/2007) (BST, PUP, COR adjustments)

[Bagel]

I can't wait to see Rocl's new fake PUP AF2 this update.

[Rocl]

I can't wait to see Rocl's new fake PUP AF2 this update.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[zerohero]

id like to get feedback from endgame cors not relating to merit parties. i go to endgame events like sky, dyna, sea, hnm, wyrms almost 100 percent /whm. maybe certain limbus or city dyna ill go /rng.

my job is not to dd, that what melee,rng, and blms for. i feel my role is to get the most out of rolls, help debuff and throw out needed cures and raises to keep things moving fast.

merit parties i dont have to pull i go /rng. with full acc merits i can hold my own while keeping four rolls easy. when pulling you are doing zero dd so i /whm or /nin depending on curing jobs in party.

so back to first point i guess but are cors really going to kirin and gods, jailers, hnms, wyrms, ice dyna as /rng?

[evilpaul]

I can't wait to see Rocl's new fake PUP AF2 this update.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

im in ur hands martialing ur arts

[Sho]

I can't wait to see Rocl's new fake PUP AF2 this update.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

UR ON NOTICE *points*

...something like that.

[Mifaco]

I can't wait for Taj's joke item this update!

[Venture]

This'll prolly be the patch that kills FFXI for me. I didn't want to switch to another MMO or quit outright, because mainly 75 BST isn't something you just threw away lightly. Now that SE is making a joke out of the job, the overall challenge of FFXI is pretty much equal or less to any other MMO out there. CoP was the last worthwhile accomplishment FFXI could offer, and they nerfed that, too. Didn't want to go to the Dark Side, but if I have to choose between two games of equal challenge, i'd rather farm gold and get XP at the same time, too...oh yeah, and fuck Aery for 3 hours a day.

[BRP]

Job pride is probably the zam-i-est of all the zam crimes.

Get a goddamn grip or get the hell out.

[Venture]

Wait about 6 months. SE should be suitably caught up behind other MMOs by now to add Silence II to the RDM list, so you can stop Meteor and Aeroga IV spam on AV. Gravity II, too, you know...just because some newb LSs still take 45 minutes to kite kill Kirin. What else doesn't work that could be buffed to make it easier? Bind II? Hell yeah!

Of course by then, all Salvage will be equal to Limbus, and Einherjar will be as bad as Icelands Dynamis was three years ago. You'll still be sitting in Aery/Valley/Dominion for 3 hours, though. Gotta cockblock all the other 75's for your 10th Dalmatica for your WHM with AF2 Body.

[Metah]

Job pride is probably the zam-i-est of all the zam crimes.

Get a goddamn grip or get the hell out.

I will get a grip, once the patch comes out! Then I'll buy a lot of grips!

[Dreampainter]

Ok thats fine then, the rest of the jobs will gladly take the updates. Bst on the other hand should reject the update and ask for SE not to impliment it. Clearly bst is better of staying how it is so that people will have something to complain about. I haven't heard such unreasonable "I leveled this job before you noobs" non-sense since the time they added level20 avatar battles for summoner.

I will get a grip, once the patch comes out! Then I'll buy a lot of grips!

thats the spirit!

[Nirokun!]

level summoner solo, that was a fun thing to do, and its much cuter, and weaker, than bst :3

i still feel superior to the smn's that PTd, and thats something that SE cant take away from me

[Remyo]

This'll prolly be the patch that kills FFXI for me. I didn't want to switch to another MMO or quit outright, because mainly 75 BST isn't something you just threw away lightly. Now that SE is making a joke out of the job, the overall challenge of FFXI is pretty much equal or less to any other MMO out there. CoP was the last worthwhile accomplishment FFXI could offer, and they nerfed that, too. Didn't want to go to the Dark Side, but if I have to choose between two games of equal challenge, i'd rather farm gold and get XP at the same time, too...oh yeah, and fuck Aery for 3 hours a day.

QQ more, they're only fixing what 99% of BSTs viewed as a fuckup with the MPK patch as far as lvling. if it's a joke of a job now then it was a joke of a job for 4 years. gtfo and stop pissing on everyone elses parade.

[Spira]

This'll prolly be the patch that kills FFXI for me. I didn't want to switch to another MMO or quit outright, because mainly 75 BST isn't something you just threw away lightly. Now that SE is making a joke out of the job, the overall challenge of FFXI is pretty much equal or less to any other MMO out there. CoP was the last worthwhile accomplishment FFXI could offer, and they nerfed that, too. Didn't want to go to the Dark Side, but if I have to choose between two games of equal challenge, i'd rather farm gold and get XP at the same time, too...oh yeah, and fuck Aery for 3 hours a day.

Good riddance.

[OctavoGilgamesh]

i'd rather farm gold and get XP at the same time

Dude, your already playing another game by saying 'farm gold' instead of farm gil. This patch pretty much puts beast back where it was before, but just might make it faster to level it to 75. If you don't like that, just keep playing something else and gtfo.

[Tonko]

This'll prolly be the patch that kills FFXI for me. I didn't want to switch to another MMO or quit outright, because mainly 75 BST isn't something you just threw away lightly. Now that SE is making a joke out of the job, the overall challenge of FFXI is pretty much equal or less to any other MMO out there. CoP was the last worthwhile accomplishment FFXI could offer, and they nerfed that, too. Didn't want to go to the Dark Side, but if I have to choose between two games of equal challenge, i'd rather farm gold and get XP at the same time, too...oh yeah, and fuck Aery for 3 hours a day.

If you don't like the benefits they're adding to the Stay command, don't use it. How exactly are they making a joke out of the job?

i still feel superior to the smn's that PTd, and thats something that SE cant take away from me

Because you know, it takes more skill to cast Carbuncle over and over and over and over out of aggro range of a Bomb/Snoll and let it auto-attack than it is to level, in a party, and heal + dd + support buffs from avatars to 75, while managing your MP effectively.

Of course.

Of course.

[Dreampainter]

level summoner solo, that was a fun thing to do, and its much cuter, and weaker, than bst :3

I did this too, and in my experience it works out better than just partying to 75. I leveled mostly solo and duo/trioing with bsts on my smn. Soloing you find a use and understanding of pacts and tactics you just don't use in parties. This goes for most jobs that were not designed to solo, and more often than not a smn/blm/rdm/etc who can solo very well will outperform one that can't solo well by knowing all the little intricacies and nuances of the job that a party protects you from having to deal with. My personal experience bst was a breeze after mostly soloing smn and drg to 75. I died in ifrit's cauldron much more often on smn than on bst.

[Venture]

I'd rather SE would have kept their paws off BST after the MPK update. SE didn't understand BST when they implemented it, and they let it become it's own identity when they ignored it for so many years. It's a different job and community, and that's hard for most of you to grasp, because you haven't been part of the BST community for going on four years now. You have to come to understand that as much as we solo, we also have gotten used to being the black sheeps of FFXI. Back when we could MPK, we could and would do it just because we were above the law of SE, and their rules didn't apply to us back in the day when we were the only solo job. GMs were and still are worthless when it comes to MPK, and I know at least I kept daily kill counts on RMT and players who annoyed me alike.

SE lets us steam for years and years without doing anything about it, and we get into this mindset that things will never change, and we'll always fly under the radar. Then they go and take away our MPK ability. That'll be sorely missed, but despawn is beneficial to BST, because we can work it to our advantage for only a slight increase in difficulty. Now, instead of nerfing us again, which they seem allergic to do outright after the RNG fervor, they nerf our community by allowing people to get BST to 75 who weren't going to cut it in previous installments.

But most of you are not BSTs. I'm sure your BRDs, RDM and WARs at 75 weep for job changes you didn't get, but your jobs are dime-a-dozen, and I wouldn't expect you to have any special point of pride for them. Being xenophobic loners in a party-oriented game is just what BSTs were about. This game's nearing the end of it's lifespan, anyways. Over 5 years, they're just doing crap to appease it's player base to keep resubscribing. I really hate to say good-bye to my Horns, after all the frustrations and stress went into earning and fighting with them, but if some of the trash that walks around Whitegate is indication of kind of BSTs were produced after the Call Beast XP removal; I don't care to stick around to see 43/21 BST/WAR LFG(!) in my /search. End of a fine era...

[Rocl]

facepalm.swf

[Max™]

Funny, I have a shell of Bst's who are happy about this, many who date from waaaay back in the bloody glorious days of dropping huge bat trains on offensive lowbies, when walking around with a charmed Scorpion was like waving a gun at people, and RMT's were kept under control by an ingame police force.

They all think it's pretty sweet so far.

At the least they were pleased that /Bst will be a lot better now.