Battle Adjustments (08/23/2007) (BST, PUP, COR adjustments)

[SephYuyX]

BST in PTs is the least of my concerns. We all know BST was meant to solo, however SE says otherwise; I want to see BST buffed on their soloability and be usefull in endgame stuff. In regards to this no xp loss thing, thats great on a solo stance, but we could use more mobs to charm and in more areas. Ever try/see a BST on an HNM? Its funny shit, cant hit for crap both in acc and dmg respect, and the pet cant either. There has to be someway to make BST a little bit more effective agaisnt HNM, some how. Maybe not a dmg or acc increase.. I dunno maybe Charming an NM would cause a certian -status effect on it or something.

[Venture]

I'm gonna be a job protectionist here, since BST was my first job I really loved in FFXI. Technically, SE hurt the BST community again by doing this. We've always been a community outside of the group-bound jobs of FFXI, and consider ourselves the elite of FFXI because of how difficult our job is/was to solo to 75, what kind of skills, knowledge and adaptability that granted, plus how much ignoring we received from SE. Granted, wearing the Horns doesn't mean as much as it did two years ago, because the Call Beast no-XP penalty whores that grew up during the last BST update have really diminished the pride and overall intellectual capacity of the BST community. Too much crying, not enough fixing, depending on sucking on SE's tits for sustenance instead of finding ways around things.

Honestly, fuck SE forever as a older BST. We never liked or needed them before this, but now that we got BST sucking up to SE for crap we didn't need, now we get stuck with even more players who find themselves able to cut it to 75 BST when they couldn't in older renditions of the job. SE took our ability to be the enforcers of FFXI, and now we're gonna get zerg rushed by another wave of '75 BST' who are a second-level of trash behind the Call Beast no-XP penalty party BST.

Thanks, SE. Why don't you just give them their Beast Helm at level 1 and get it over with? Delete our forums while you're at it. People not communicating with SE is proving better then letting BST's whine ourselves into these kind of corners.

[ringthree]

Why would you charm VT or IT? It's still a party member, still highest member exp loss...

I may be wrong, but the way I read the update notes it seems they will now be treating charmed mobs like Wyverns, Summons or Automatons, in that they are not even considered part of the party.

Maybe I am wrong, but it seems silly to mention it if this wasn't the case.

I read it as, there is no more xp loss, but the pet still carries a level with it, and the BSTs exp may still dampened by that. I hope im wrong though.

Yeah, it could be read either way. And its still a translation, so there is that thrown in. We will just have to see on update day.

If its just no automatic 30% xp cut then its pretty win.

If its "mob not considered as part of the party" then its titanic level win.

[SephYuyX]

I'm gonna be a job protectionist here, since BST was my first job I really loved in FFXI. Technically, SE hurt the BST community again by doing this. We've always been a community outside of the group-bound jobs of FFXI, and consider ourselves the elite of FFXI because of how difficult our job is/was to solo to 75, what kind of skills, knowledge and adaptability that granted, plus how much ignoring we received from SE. Granted, wearing the Horns doesn't mean as much as it did two years ago, because the Call Beast no-XP penalty whores that grew up during the last BST update have really diminished the pride and overall intellectual capacity of the BST community. Too much crying, not enough fixing, depending on sucking on SE's tits for sustenance instead of finding ways around things.

Honestly, fuck SE forever as a older BST. We never liked or needed them before this, but now that we got BST sucking up to SE for crap we didn't need, now we get stuck with even more players who find themselves able to cut it to 75 BST when they couldn't in older renditions of the job. SE took our ability to be the enforcers of FFXI, and now we're gonna get zerg rushed by another wave of '75 BST' who are a second-level of trash behind the Call Beast no-XP penalty party BST.

Thanks, SE. Why don't you just give them their Beast Helm at level 1 and get it over with? Delete our forums while you're at it. People not communicating with SE is proving better then letting BST's whine ourselves into these kind of corners.

It will be easier to get to 75, yes (it's still a bitch regardless though), but who the hell will? So they can solo CN escort easier?

[Venture]

It will be easier to get to 75, yes (it's still a bitch regardless though), but who the hell will? So they can solo CN escort easier?

For the challenge and experience? Wait...we don't do 'difficult' in FFXI anymore. Nerf difficulty. Where's the 5K XP a pop quests?

[ringthree]

I'm gonna be a job protectionist here, since BST was my first job I really loved in FFXI. Technically, SE hurt the BST community again by doing this. We've always been a community outside of the group-bound jobs of FFXI, and consider ourselves the elite of FFXI because of how difficult our job is/was to solo to 75, what kind of skills, knowledge and adaptability that granted, plus how much ignoring we received from SE. Granted, wearing the Horns doesn't mean as much as it did two years ago, because the Call Beast no-XP penalty whores that grew up during the last BST update have really diminished the pride and overall intellectual capacity of the BST community. Too much crying, not enough fixing, depending on sucking on SE's tits for sustenance instead of finding ways around things.

Honestly, fuck SE forever as a older BST. We never liked or needed them before this, but now that we got BST sucking up to SE for crap we didn't need, now we get stuck with even more players who find themselves able to cut it to 75 BST when they couldn't in older renditions of the job. SE took our ability to be the enforcers of FFXI, and now we're gonna get zerg rushed by another wave of '75 BST' who are a second-level of trash behind the Call Beast no-XP penalty party BST.

Thanks, SE. Why don't you just give them their Beast Helm at level 1 and get it over with? Delete our forums while you're at it. People not communicating with SE is proving better then letting BST's whine ourselves into these kind of corners.

Were you in the drama club in high school? Did you wear a duster? Perhaps a silly slanty haircut? Did mommy and daddy just not understand you?

I keed. LOL

But seriously, the whole counter-culture thing in a video game is a bit infantile.

[theo]

I'm glad to see the COR update. This brings the job one step closer to being able to replace a BRD in a 4xDD 2xMage merit party, which is great considering how annoying it is to find a BRD these days.

Its still missing a reliable sleep spell for pulls... Maybe in a RDM+COR pt the RDM could try to cover the sleep duty, but it would be a pain.

[FinalJustice]

COR...just wow, not sure that this was needed and confused why they made rolls GENERALLY better than bard songs.....seems kind of silly and a bit more than needed but ok! Buff on!

I think this is because BRD has, in general, more utility than COR. COR's buffs are being made stronger than BRDs as a balance to this. BRD's also have consistant buffs while COR's are much more varied. A lucky COR may even now be able to step past BRD in merit parties, but BRD's will still be much preferred at endgame because of March, Elegy and Carols.

Not to mention that even with this update, Bards, and Cors STILL do not compete with each other. They function differently and both have difference weaknesses and strengths. Brd is more defensive, and Cor is more offensive. Which is why they complement each other so well. I have never had to compete with the other in a merit setting. We always both get invited.

I just can't wait to see this new ammo. Hopefully it's cheaper then Iron, and better dmg. As it stands now, with the current cost of iron bullets, I stopped SPAMMING them a long time ago.

[FinalJustice]

I'm glad to see the COR update. This brings the job one step closer to being able to replace a BRD in a 4xDD 2xMage merit party, which is great considering how annoying it is to find a BRD these days.

Its still missing a reliable sleep spell for pulls... Maybe in a RDM+COR pt the RDM could try to cover the sleep duty, but it would be a pain.

They don't replace each other. Their roles are different in a party. Why replace when you can have both?

[layoneil]

I'm glad to see the COR update. This brings the job one step closer to being able to replace a BRD in a 4xDD 2xMage merit party

you mean a 3xDD BRD BRD Healer PT.

[Toth]

I'm gonna be a job protectionist here, since BST was my first job I really loved in FFXI. Technically, SE hurt the BST community again by doing this. We've always been a community outside of the group-bound jobs of FFXI, and consider ourselves the elite of FFXI because of how difficult our job is/was to solo to 75, what kind of skills, knowledge and adaptability that granted, plus how much ignoring we received from SE. Granted, wearing the Horns doesn't mean as much as it did two years ago, because the Call Beast no-XP penalty whores that grew up during the last BST update have really diminished the pride and overall intellectual capacity of the BST community. Too much crying, not enough fixing, depending on sucking on SE's tits for sustenance instead of finding ways around things.

Honestly, fuck SE forever as a older BST. We never liked or needed them before this, but now that we got BST sucking up to SE for crap we didn't need, now we get stuck with even more players who find themselves able to cut it to 75 BST when they couldn't in older renditions of the job. SE took our ability to be the enforcers of FFXI, and now we're gonna get zerg rushed by another wave of '75 BST' who are a second-level of trash behind the Call Beast no-XP penalty party BST.

Thanks, SE. Why don't you just give them their Beast Helm at level 1 and get it over with? Delete our forums while you're at it. People not communicating with SE is proving better then letting BST's whine ourselves into these kind of corners.

God forbid SE attempts to improve a job that has been waiting forever for updates. I know you have pride but there are many other BSTs who no doubt welcome the changes.

[epigram]

I'm not getting this cor vs brd thing, I'm pretty sure any reasonable pt would kick the drg/nin and make room for both of them

[Priran]

I'm gonna be a job protectionist here, since BST was my first job I really loved in FFXI. Technically, SE hurt the BST community again by doing this. We've always been a community outside of the group-bound jobs of FFXI, and consider ourselves the elite of FFXI because of how difficult our job is/was to solo to 75, what kind of skills, knowledge and adaptability that granted, plus how much ignoring we received from SE. Granted, wearing the Horns doesn't mean as much as it did two years ago, because the Call Beast no-XP penalty whores that grew up during the last BST update have really diminished the pride and overall intellectual capacity of the BST community. Too much crying, not enough fixing, depending on sucking on SE's tits for sustenance instead of finding ways around things.

Honestly, fuck SE forever as a older BST. We never liked or needed them before this, but now that we got BST sucking up to SE for crap we didn't need, now we get stuck with even more players who find themselves able to cut it to 75 BST when they couldn't in older renditions of the job. SE took our ability to be the enforcers of FFXI, and now we're gonna get zerg rushed by another wave of '75 BST' who are a second-level of trash behind the Call Beast no-XP penalty party BST.

Thanks, SE. Why don't you just give them their Beast Helm at level 1 and get it over with? Delete our forums while you're at it. People not communicating with SE is proving better then letting BST's whine ourselves into these kind of corners.

QQ

[SephYuyX]

It will be easier to get to 75, yes (it's still a bitch regardless though), but who the hell will? So they can solo CN escort easier?

For the challenge and experience? Wait...we don't do 'difficult' in FFXI anymore. Nerf difficulty. Where's the 5K XP a pop quests?

Yeah, it is fun, and it's a different way to experiance FFXI, and for BST who got 75 the old fashioned way know a great deal of the mechanics of the game. But as you said, no one likes difficulty anymore, and there really is no "real" benefit for getting BST to 75 aside from the fredom and experiance. I dont regret getting to 75, and I really do enjoy the job, I love it, I think it's one of the best jobs in the game.. but people dont care about BST because they "cant do anything".

[theo]

I'm glad to see the COR update. This brings the job one step closer to being able to replace a BRD in a 4xDD 2xMage merit party

you mean a 3xDD BRD BRD Healer PT.

Yeah... The only way that happens on Sylph is if you have a lot of BRD friends or you get lucky and find 2 BRDs seeking (read: never).

[Jkun]

I'm not getting this cor vs brd thing, I'm pretty sure any reasonable pt would kick the drg/nin and make room for both of them

Any reasonable party wouldn't invite a DRG/NIN in the first place.

[Tajin]

Careful reconsideration has led us to raise the current skill limits for automatons as well. With these increases, puppetmasters can expect to see improved performance from their automata in such areas as attack power and accuracy, magic accuracy, and more!

Stay in the back line mother fuckers (the masters, not the automatons) .

The xp change for BST is loooong overdue. Also, this does not fix BST at all, it just makes a tad easier to level (only to hit 75 an learn you job is as useful as a BST1 to keep Absolute Virtue from depop).


P.S. For the record, i have never partied with a puppetmaster >_> flame on anyway.

[Jkun]

Careful reconsideration has led us to raise the current skill limits for automatons as well. With these increases, puppetmasters can expect to see improved performance from their automata in such areas as attack power and accuracy, magic accuracy, and more!

Stay in the back line mother fuckers (the masters, not the automatons) .

The xp change for BST is loooong overdue. Also, this does not fix BST at all, it just makes a tad easier to level (only to hit 75 an learn you job is as useful as a BST1 to keep Absolute Virtue from depop).


P.S. For the record, i have never partied with a puppetmaster >_> flame on anyway.

WOW I HATE YOU I LOVE PUP IT'S THE BEST JOB EVER HOW DARE YOU INSULT IT. BAWWWWWWW

I'm kidding. But thanks for bumping that point in bold. Make me cream my pants every time I read it. <3

[Charismatic]

BST still sucks in sea

[Sev]

I'm not getting this cor vs brd thing, I'm pretty sure any reasonable pt would kick the drg/nin and make room for both of them

Any reasonable party would shoot a DRG/NIN in the first place, to put the poor fuck out of his misery.

Fixed.