Interview #4

[Max™]

Still haven't seen where someone has tried to lock the Regen, and then kill the Wyvnavs to lock the rest of his abilities since the patch.

It seems that they maybe they meant for the locking, but it was supposed to happen after the Regen, people just figured it out before the Regen thing, and the Regen was broken so it didn't matter til they "fixed" (broke) it.

So we keep asking what we're doing wrong, why we can't kill it, and they keep saying "The only hint we have is the Regen."

Hate to make a new thread since it winds up in derail land within half a page.

[Priran]

The .dats apparently list Meteor as "Special". This is only what I've read, so take it with a grain of salt.

I remember reading that as well, which would put it as the same type of damage as Chi-Blast and Spirits Within. Only way to be certain would be to look it up in the dat files though.

Just because it's special doesn't automatically mean it's non-elemental though does it? The screenshot from Sirlancealot above is definitely pretty compelling evidence that it can be resisted somehow.

As far as I know, none of the "special" damage abilities can be resisted like Black Magic, and none of them have an associated elemental type. So saying that Meteor is non-elemental black magic would make sense.

[Spekkio]

The .dats apparently list Meteor as "Special". This is only what I've read, so take it with a grain of salt.

I remember reading that as well, which would put it as the same type of damage as Chi-Blast and Spirits Within. Only way to be certain would be to look it up in the dat files though.

Just because it's special doesn't automatically mean it's non-elemental though does it? The screenshot from Sirlancealot above is definitely pretty compelling evidence that it can be resisted somehow.

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't mijin gakure non-elemental and resistable? i know i've survived a mijin that people with far more HP than i died to (and it wasn't just stoneskin absorbing the blow) so i can only assume i rolled a resist to remain standing. it's simple enough to prove it's not fire based (go mijin a fire ele and see what it does. if it's fire based damage, you'll hit for peanuts. if it's not, you'll hit for about what you'd expect.) as such, even though meteor's a non-elemental spell (assuming the above is true) it should be possible to roll a resist on it, i would think.

[Therin]

Mijin is fire-based.

[Khamsin]

Shell boosts defense against magic in general, regardless of element or lack thereof. Barspells and elemental resist equipment are specific to certain elements, and there is no non-elemental barspell or resist equipment.

[Remyo]

Still haven't seen where someone has tried to lock the Regen, and then kill the Wyvnavs to lock the rest of his abilities since the patch.

It seems that they maybe they meant for the locking, but it was supposed to happen after the Regen, people just figured it out before the Regen thing, and the Regen was broken so it didn't matter til they "fixed" (broke) it.

So we keep asking what we're doing wrong, why we can't kill it, and they keep saying "The only hint we have is the Regen."

Hate to make a new thread since it winds up in derail land within half a page.

this got me thinking aswell. Everyone is saying the regen isn't the problem so they don't worry about using the hint. Maybe the assfucking meteors wouldn't be a problem if you just followed the hint and killed all the JoL summons and used day correspond skillchains and magicbursts.

[Priran]

The .dats apparently list Meteor as "Special". This is only what I've read, so take it with a grain of salt.

I remember reading that as well, which would put it as the same type of damage as Chi-Blast and Spirits Within. Only way to be certain would be to look it up in the dat files though.

Just because it's special doesn't automatically mean it's non-elemental though does it? The screenshot from Sirlancealot above is definitely pretty compelling evidence that it can be resisted somehow.

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't mijin gakure non-elemental and resistable? i know i've survived a mijin that people with far more HP than i died to (and it wasn't just stoneskin absorbing the blow) so i can only assume i rolled a resist to remain standing.

I've never had a Mijin resisted by a mob, even in the mid-60s on a NM in Besieged. Maybe mob Mijin is different (aside from being AoE).

[Sylvrdragon]

With all this talk of Regen being the key, and then that post higher up about maybe 1k+/tick and we just don't know it. I can't help but think of This guy... Wonder if they added this NM as a hint...

Edit: Also, I wonder if maybe Meteor is classified as Breath damage O.o. An easier way to test would be Apollyon NW against Kaiser Behemoth. Better than waiting for a whole group to wanna do KS99s.

[BRP]

Several decent and do-able ideas have been suggested on this very forum on AV. They confirmed there are other hints outside Regen, and it's probably all they want to give us. Someone should test those theories and stop bothering the game devs about it. The video might be nice if they do it.

[Max™]

Still haven't seen where someone has tried to lock the Regen, and then kill the Wyvnavs to lock the rest of his abilities since the patch.

It seems that they maybe they meant for the locking, but it was supposed to happen after the Regen, people just figured it out before the Regen thing, and the Regen was broken so it didn't matter til they "fixed" (broke) it.

So we keep asking what we're doing wrong, why we can't kill it, and they keep saying "The only hint we have is the Regen."

Hate to make a new thread since it winds up in derail land within half a page.

this got me thinking aswell. Everyone is saying the regen isn't the problem so they don't worry about using the hint. Maybe the assfucking meteors wouldn't be a problem if you just followed the hint and killed all the JoL summons and used day correspond skillchains and magicbursts.

That isn't it either though, there is obviously some piece of code that locks him when the Wyvnavs are killed.

It doesn't make sense that it would just randomly glitch and lock up, especially when you could lock just the 2hrs, or just magic, or all three, etc.

So, now they assume we've figured that out, so if anyone still seriously tries AV, or that guy who was going to try a bunch of things, do the locking shit they keep talking about with JoL, try to get it locked totally on AV, then do the old Wyvnav locking strat.

[divisortheory]

Still haven't seen where someone has tried to lock the Regen, and then kill the Wyvnavs to lock the rest of his abilities since the patch.

It seems that they maybe they meant for the locking, but it was supposed to happen after the Regen, people just figured it out before the Regen thing, and the Regen was broken so it didn't matter til they "fixed" (broke) it.

So we keep asking what we're doing wrong, why we can't kill it, and they keep saying "The only hint we have is the Regen."

Hate to make a new thread since it winds up in derail land within half a page.

Personally I'm starting to think we should just take SE at face value and at least try their "hint", even if it doesn't make any sense. Try a bunch of SCs and bursts and shit corresponding to the elemental day, and just see if anything happens.

[Max™]

I'm pretty sure I can remember reading about people doing the regen locking and just trying to kill him, and it didn't help.

I don't recall anyone locking regen, then trying to lock 2hrs/abilities with the Wyvnavs, but I do recall him being patched, and ever since all we get for tips is "lock the regen."

[Khamsin]

Several decent and do-able ideas have been suggested on this very forum on AV.

And they are drowned out by all the indecent undo-able ideas that involve jailer weapons, ebon panels, killing all the aerns and yovras in sea, killing wynavs, repopping the jailers, having specific jobs in the alliance, etc. that are based on nothing more than the position of the stars in the sky during waning crescent firesday.

So if the real solution ends up being something that was never tried because it was buried amongst all the silly ridiculous ideas that prevent anyone from taking AV theories seriously anymore, we know who to blame: The zammites who shout for promy help in Whitegate and feel compelled to share their ideas on AV while waiting for someone to come leech them through CoP.

[Spekkio]

honestly, i think a video of SE killing AV, from the perspective of an onlooker not able to see chat could be very interesting. it wouldn't outright tell us how to win it, unless it's something really stupid like 18 kclub drk rotation every time one group gets clusterraped by meteor. we'd have to study it and analyze it to figure out what they did and why they did it to lock it or otherwise make it winnable. alternatively, if they intend for it to be beaten without locking it, we could clearly see it spamming meteor on the players and be forced to figure out how they managed to survive it. while it surely would give us a large bank of hints, it likely wouldn't give us all the answers, letting us bring it home ourselves.

on an unrelated note, i seem to remember something about torques AND weapons at the same time showing some promise. was that finally debunked? i think it was eclipse who was going to try it in a thread on the newbie forums here about 5 pages back?

[divisortheory]

Several decent and do-able ideas have been suggested on this very forum on AV.

And they are drowned out by all the indecent undo-able ideas that involve jailer weapons, ebon panels, killing all the aerns and yovras in sea, killing wynavs, repopping the jailers, having specific jobs in the alliance, etc. that are based on nothing more than the position of the stars in the sky during waning crescent firesday.

So if the real solution ends up being something that was never tried because it was buried amongst all the silly ridiculous ideas that prevent anyone from taking AV theories seriously anymore, we know who to blame: The zammites who shout for promy help in Whitegate and feel compelled to share their ideas on AV while waiting for someone to come leech them through CoP.

I wouldn't be opposed to simply instating a rule that says any mention of jailer weapons, ebon panels, repopping jailers, etc will result in an instaban, regardless of whether or not it was joking. >.>

[Therin]

I don't think they'll ever do a full video.

My reasoning for that is because, regardless of how many people the dev-team can muster up, and whatever gear they use (not including obvious GM gear that players can't acquire), the full fight would still take at least an hour just based on the sheer amount of HP AV has (at least 100,000), and his defense/resistance.

So what we might get at the Fan Festival is a 5-minute clip video of SE's dev-team killing AV, but they'll cut it masterfully and neglect to show all of the details that actually make it possible.

"Hey look! SE used SAMs, THFs, and DRKs dressed in full AF2 to make skillchains and BLMs to burst it! And they used PLD/WAR tanks wearing Koenig! But they didn't show the first ten minutes of the fight, so who the fuck knows how they locked it - oh well, at least we know it's killable!"

[divisortheory]

I don't think they'll ever do a full video.

My reasoning for that is because, regardless of how many people the dev-team can muster up, and whatever gear they use (not including obvious GM gear that players can't acquire), the full fight would still take at least an hour just based on the sheer amount of HP AV has (at least 100,000), and his defense/resistance.

So what we might get at the Fan Festival is a 5-minute clip video of SE's dev-team killing AV, but they'll cut it masterfully and neglect to show all of the details that actually make it possible.

They would probably put on invincible mode so that no cures were needed.

[Khamsin]

I don't think they'll ever do a full video.

My reasoning for that is because, regardless of how many people the dev-team can muster up, and whatever gear they use (not including obvious GM gear that players can't acquire), the full fight would still take at least an hour just based on the sheer amount of HP AV has (at least 100,000), and his defense/resistance.

So what we might get at the Fan Festival is a 5-minute clip video of SE's dev-team killing AV, but they'll cut it masterfully and neglect to show all of the details that actually make it possible.

They would probably put on invincible mode so that no cures were needed.

Or just have a GM solo it to death like Fafnir, and say "Hey, we promised you a video of us killing it, and here it is".

[Lordender]

meh i estimate the rate to even see AV is around 5% it doesn't pop nearly enough for alot of people to test all these theories.

[Hanyoko]

I dunno a large wall display running looped for the entire event of the dev team killing AV would likely keep a large group in a trance.