Loltarupld with enmity issues

[Nagatharu]

/poke

Thanks for answers.

I'll use Holy Circle more often.

I also discussed this issue with PLD in my LS. It seems the DD route is worth a try. Hate control can't be worse anyway.
So I thought I would fully merit sword and shield to begin with. Then try to borrow hauby and STR/Attk stuff. I'm not sure I'll need much acc+ with maxed sword. So far, my buddies said they would be ok to lend me pcc (or I can grab Chiv. chain), Amemet+1, Potent Belt and - maybe - Hauby. I can also grab a STR ring I guess. That's a start. I'd like to keep most of my AF on cause, hell, I chose that job to tank (so enmity+). If I wanted big numbers, I would have chosen another job. Plus I don't have much gil, as I mentioned above*.

Now about the DD who spam WS even in the first few secs, there isn't much I can do I guess. That's just the way ToAU is. I'm not even sure the new generation of people would understand me if I yelled at them about that.

I don't feel confident enough to use my PLD against big end-game bosses. I don't have time and gil to build a good PLD with AF2, abj, Limbus stuff, HQ items, etc, not to mention merits and of course skills and experience. My Dyna and end-game LSs work with job priority and I'm not any close to give up on RDM.

* Too many things to do IRL to spend a big amount of time IG. I'll be a slowpoke.

[riddaraan]

Um, Holy Circle generates no enmity. Neither does Cover.

[superfob]

Um, Holy Circle generates no enmity. Neither does Cover.

Could've sworn it generated a little bit. I've had a mob turn after using it, but it could've been the melee getting hit .

[riddaraan]

Um, Holy Circle generates no enmity. Neither does Cover.

Could've sworn it generated a little bit. I've had a mob turn after using it, but it could've been the melee getting hit .

I've seen all kinds of evidence strange things you wouldn't think generate enmity, do. For instance, using food generates some hate. Probably about the same as a full Cure II at Lv75. But Holy Circle never has. Usually it's a hit, or someone else getting hit (thusly losing enmity) that would cause it easily to be mistaken.

No worries.

[Sylphet]

Um, Holy Circle generates no enmity. Neither does Cover.

Could've sworn it generated a little bit. I've had a mob turn after using it, but it could've been the melee getting hit .

I've seen all kinds of evidence strange things you wouldn't think generate enmity, do. For instance, using food generates some hate. Probably about the same as a full Cure II at Lv75. But Holy Circle never has. Usually it's a hit, or someone else getting hit (thusly losing enmity) that would cause it easily to be mistaken.

No worries.

Every action in this game short of standing still and not doing anything has an effect on enmity. It may be a small or a large effect and it may be a positive (enmity gaining) or negative (enmity losing) effect but nothing is hate free. Food, resting mp, etc all have small effects on enmity generation, we just generally don't see them.

In case people don't believe me I just tested it out.
Party:
Player 1 = level 1 job
Player 2 = PLD

Location: West Ronfaure

Scenario A:
Player 1 attacks a bunny.
Player 2 uses Holy Circle so that it hits both players but never engages the mob or does any other action.
Player 1 dies.
The bunny attacks player 2.

Scenario B:
Player 1 attacks a bunny.
Player 2 remains in party but with no actions at all.
Player 1 dies.
Bunny goes white, never looks twice at Player 2.

Holy Circle does have enmity associated with it.

Screenshots if anyone really wants.

[riddaraan]

Okay, maybe it should be better said then. By performing an action on a Player 1 who has hate with a mob, even though Player 2 has no previous engagement with the enemy, Player 2 will always adopt a base level of enmity with the mob. However, I should have clearly stated, that the enmity associated is not the kind which will cause a tank to perpetuate or spike any sort of hate.

In other words, if Player 1 attacks a bunny as a Lv1 job with no enmity equips or merits, and Player 2 uses Holy Circle with +40 Enmity in gear and merits, the bunny will not turn to attack Player 2, even though Player 1 is alive. I'm 99.9% sure of this. However, it does warrant a test. So, when I get home tonight, I'll go do so.

[Sonomaa]

make a HP drop macro, you said you wear a lot of HP gear, make a macro to slap that gear off then put it back on, your HP drops, you could probably wipe 200ish HP from yourself then another macro to put it back on a CureIV to pop your HP back to full and make a lot of hate.

I have no enmity merits and Ive been able to hold hate into the late 40s, you might want to get a melee/thf friend who can constantly trick you with nice WS

[Nagatharu]

/poke

Thanks for advice guys.

I heard Holy Circle causes like 0.1 enmity+. Of course you'll never draw a mob back to you with it but since it's an action, it generates a bit of cumulative hate. No?

I need my LS to set a BBQ run in order to make full use of HP/heal trick. Errr that won't help much on Eruca I guess, unless I wanna suicide. ^^;

[Kaylia]

Are you sure the melee you are partying with aren't the problem? Any decently geared melee can pull hate off pld, and overnuking blm can do it as well. Pld who says they could keep hate full time are bs'ing, or playing with bad player in pickup. It's not that hard to be a "good" pld, and I doubt based on what you say that you are doing something really wrong. However, I do agree with people who said "dd route" is the best around your level.