Version Update 8/27/07

[HAcoreRD]

Pit delayed. Who called it!

[Valacirca]

Is it possible to search through the Nashmau data and find what that new NPC sells?

I wouldn't be surprised if they just added Iron/Steel bullets that will be far more expensive than buying from AH. >.>;

[Lordwafik]

/fume @ Salvage bosses giving titles when they no longer hold the difficulty factor that salvage once had :\

[Jkun]

Looks like a great update! Nice hands for PUP and the new heads look very useful. We'll find out soon HOW useful...

DRAIN AND ASPIR BITCH DRAIN AND ASPIR!

Do you think the adjustments to Howling Fist and Dragon Kick mean they're good for PUP now? oh ho ho ho.

And yeah definatly gonna macro in thos heads and hands for Ventriloqy.

I can't see them messing with HF and DK for any other reason than Pup, hope it's noticable. Still expecting more pieces from that set though, a 2 piece set with a set bonus is just weird.

Eh, I hope not. They're okay but not amazing, I wouldnt' want to carry 5 pieces of okay gear for a macro switch that I hardly use except for soloing. Plus the pieces for DRK and BLM with the Set_ Enhances Drain and Aspir, if that was a 5 piece set then it replaces some really goot dark magic+ and INT+ pieces that I would rather use instead unless the enhancement is incredible.

The set for RNG is fantastic, together they're better than Scouts feet and Opt hat again if the R.Att is good.

Edit: Fixed. lolquotes

[Lhexh]

now that i think about it more, there's really only 3 gear differences between your sam/war and my war/sam.
adaberk vs haub+1
fire bomblet vs tiphia sting
dusk gloves vs hachimankote+1

and merit wise it would be:
store tp vs DA merits
meditate recast vs berserk recast
+15%ws dmg on every ws vs. guaranteed double attack every 10 mins

to searain: yes it was on colibri, he does have joyeuse but he seems to like axe/rid more for some reason. i'm tried to find a rid/joy user on sylph with adaberk and speed belt but couldn't so i just picked the next best thing

If you are using Carbonara though then you are losing a lot of attack compared to Ruk's SAM/WAR who xps only with Red Curry. Even when I used Red Curry, at Mamool I couldn't average 1K with Metatron and that just puts me way to far behind Ruk who can average 1100 Kaiten's in the ideal party setup we use. I'll probably bring Bravura out from retirement to at least play with it for a while against Ruk and see how the changes measured up, especially with Raging Rush spam instead of Metatron.

[Meat]

/fume @ Salvage bosses giving titles when they no longer hold the difficulty factor that salvage once had :\

Wonder what the armored chariot title will be?

[Sho]

Hagun is simply better, just mathematically. Think about it.

You have 6 swings per WS (technically you should have less considering meditate, but lets go with 6). In those 6 swings you need to make up for the damage difference between Hagun & Onimaru on WS. Hagun adds an extra pDIF*.5*(D+WSC+fSTR). D=75, say you have an STR of 130, fSTR of 12, and an average pDIF of 1 (average). That's gonna be like, 85 extra damage per WS (more if pDIF is higher). And if your pDIF is one like discussed, you'll only see about an extra 7*6 + 7*1.5 damage done in each melee hit in the 6 hit TP gain and the WS, which only comes out to be about 52.5. Hagun is better.

EDIT: Just for the record this fails to take into account the slightly lower delay that Onimaru has, it's attack, and ACC. But I think all 3 of those are negligable at best considering I didn't take into account the fact that you'll be WSing more than once every 6 hits on average due to meditate.

EDIT2: It's obviously a different case for Soboro. I don't even want to get into the math there, especially post edit, soboro may be better. But Onimaru/Shinsoku DEFINITELY isn't.

Way to much math o.~ You'd need to match up gear and fully factor out Shinsoku's and Onimaru's bonuses. Also merits (or none at all), GKT DoT, and buffs/def on mob. Factoring 6 swings (and WS shots) is awesome on paper, but you gotta include alot of outside factors as well. Outside of that, Soboro is just out there, lol.

Btw, I don't play SAM much anymore, so I kindly sidestep a futher argument and let you win. D:

[RKenshin]

If you are using Carbonara though then you are losing a lot of attack compared to Ruk's SAM/WAR who xps only with Red Curry. Even when I used Red Curry, at Mamool I couldn't average 1K with Metatron and that just puts me way to far behind Ruk who can average 1100 Kaiten's in the ideal party setup we use. I'll probably bring Bravura out from retirement to at least play with it for a while against Ruk and see how the changes measured up, especially with Raging Rush spam instead of Metatron.

Your acc/DA/overall melee DoT should be better though, and I think that this WS fix could open the possibility to average ~1k or higher with Raging Rush (if not Metatron). I think it'd be a fun comparison either way!

I'm really anxious to see how significant the melee damage increase will be though. The idea of averaging 200 a swing makes me laugh...

[Xerlic]

/fume @ Salvage bosses giving titles when they no longer hold the difficulty factor that salvage once had :\

Wonder what the armored chariot title will be?

Frog Boiler.

[Ryko]

<_< they have charioteer titles

[Shadida]

/fume @ Salvage bosses giving titles when they no longer hold the difficulty factor that salvage once had :\

Wonder what the armored chariot title will be?

Frog Boiler.

rofl, I love it

[underscore]

now that i think about it more, there's really only 3 gear differences between your sam/war and my war/sam.
adaberk vs haub+1
fire bomblet vs tiphia sting
dusk gloves vs hachimankote+1

and merit wise it would be:
store tp vs DA merits
meditate recast vs berserk recast
+15%ws dmg on every ws vs. guaranteed double attack every 10 mins

to searain: yes it was on colibri, he does have joyeuse but he seems to like axe/rid more for some reason. i tried to find a rid/joy user on sylph with adaberk and speed belt but couldn't so i just picked the next best thing

If you are using Carbonara though then you are losing a lot of attack compared to Ruk's SAM/WAR who xps only with Red Curry. Even when I used Red Curry, at Mamool I couldn't average 1K with Metatron and that just puts me way to far behind Ruk who can average 1100 Kaiten's in the ideal party setup we use. I'll probably bring Bravura out from retirement to at least play with it for a while against Ruk and see how the changes measured up, especially with Raging Rush spam instead of Metatron.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6948/relicue9.th.jpg
the middle two were in mamool camps, my ws avg is right around 900 so it's not that much worse compared to kaiten

the higher tp modifier on kaiten also has to do with him doing more dmg(3.00 kaiten vs 2.75 metatron)
oh and dont forget the 18%def down(almost twice the effect of dia 2) added effect of metatron so you were helping his dmg out :d
what kind of war merits do you have though? also if possible could you get his max attack with berserk/food/minuetx2, i run around with 730atk in my tp gear with those conditions using carbonara.

also, your ws dmg suffers over time simply because you're not doing enough of them compared to a 6hit build. if you check my parses all of them have my overall dmg at least at 40% coming from wses.

[Nagamaki]

- Two-handed weapons will now receive larger benefits from a character’s attributes, and will also inflict more damage when facing higher-level opponents or enemies with high defense.

This is what 2handed users should be focused on right now since the WS adjustments could be many things. That wording very strongly suggests that 2handed weapons will have their STR-VIT and ratio calculations adjusted to work more like they do for ranged attack. If its straight up the same as ranged from now on, that's quite significant, but even a step in that direction will help.

For people that don't understand stats, using the ranged calculation here would be doubling the effect of high STR on your base DMG ("larger benefits from a character’s attributes") and cutting the attack/defense ratio level difference correction in half ("inflict more damage when facing higher-level opponents or enemies with high defense"). If that's what they're doing, its a pretty damn big deal.

As far as the weaponskill themselves go, it is speculation until we can log in and people test, but the list of WSs they posted doesn't really look like what it should be if their goal was to diminish the power of TP Bonus weapons, WSs like Steel Cyclone/Spiral Hell/GSW would be on there as well. It could be just for Hagun, but that seems a little odd to me, it really could be anything, I'm pretty curious what they'll do with HF and DK too considering they are only efficient on MNK/THF, which isn't exactly the most common use sub.

[Lhexh]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6948/relicue9.th.jpg
the middle two were in mamool camps, my ws avg is right around 900 so it's not that much worse compared to kaiten

the higher tp modifier on kaiten also has to do with him doing more dmg(3.00 kaiten vs 2.75 metatron)
oh and dont forget the dia2 added effect of metatron so you were helping his dmg out :d
what kind of war merits do you have though? also if possible could you get his max attack with berserk/food/minuetx2, i run around with 730atk in my tp gear with those conditions using carbonara.

I'm meritted more for Ridill than I am GAxe, 4/4 Berserk/Aggressor with 2 DA and sword merits with no GAxe merits. When I use Red Curry I have over 800 attack with berserk up in full haste gear. Kaiten's modifiers certainly help but that 15% Overwhelm damage is what really skews the parse a lot. It will probably be a few weeks though before I get my ass stomped by Ruk since I'm moving.

[Sargas]

If this is infact the case, I fail to see why SE is rushing with WoG if the endgame area of ToAU has to be still released. I mean WoG is announced for december. There is only one update before the release.

Is WoG december? I thought I read 2008

as far as I remember they said December 2007

Only definitive information has been Winter 2007.

SE's said in a couple interviews that they definitely want to release the expansion before the calendar year is up. I bet there's plenty of pressure to release it in time for Christmas.

[Godlywargod]

when did onimaru and shinsoku start being better then Hagun in exp? or soboro for that matter(I was always told that hagun barely beat out soboro)?

I must have missed this ; ;

[Yutuyu]

when did onimaru and shinsoku start being better then Hagun in exp? or soboro for that matter(I was always told that hagun barely beat out soboro)?

I must have missed this ; ;

Shin/Oni are NOT better. Soboro may be.

[Valacirca]

If this is infact the case, I fail to see why SE is rushing with WoG if the endgame area of ToAU has to be still released. I mean WoG is announced for december. There is only one update before the release.

Is WoG december? I thought I read 2008

as far as I remember they said December 2007

Only definitive information has been Winter 2007.

SE's said in a couple interviews that they definitely want to release the expansion before the calendar year is up. I bet there's plenty of pressure to release it in time for Christmas.

The timing of the FFXI event suggests December as well, perhaps even late November. Its there they'll likely do as much to hype up release with stuff such as previews and revelation of one of the new jobs, and they'll want to do this fairly shortly before the actual release.

[Godlywargod]

when did onimaru and shinsoku start being better then Hagun in exp? or soboro for that matter(I was always told that hagun barely beat out soboro)?

I must have missed this ; ;

Shin/Oni are NOT better. Soboro may be.

everyone was saying things like "hagun is exp is just silly" and some such, I was like....uh what?

[underscore]

I'm meritted more for Ridill than I am GAxe, 4/4 Berserk/Aggressor with 2 DA and sword merits with no GAxe merits. When I use Red Curry I have over 800 attack with berserk up in full haste gear. Kaiten's modifiers certainly help but that 15% Overwhelm damage is what really skews the parse a lot. It will probably be a few weeks though before I get my ass stomped by Ruk since I'm moving.

i meant ruke's attack with redcurry/minuet/etc, but i'll take 75 less attack for being able to ws one swing earlier. i want to try red curry with askar body eventually but i cant find people who want to do nyzul over salvage.

i never really used bravura either until i got 299 gaxe skill, so i know what it's like. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised once you've merited for it. bravura has 20acc on the weapon along with the eva- proc on hit, so i figured i might as well have 5% more chance to DA rather than 50secs more of aggressor.

i think the biggest reason you don't see alot of relic great axes is because jaypee and i bashed the hell out of it back then, while for sams you have ruke's lj to showcase it