RDM Merit Point Allocation

[japetus]

Anyone want to take a stab at making the case for wind acc merits?

As I understand it, the idea with Ice/Earth acc is that you can swap out more +skill for MND, thereby making a more potent Slow/Para.

For Silence and Gravity, you're already casting in full enfeeble anyway. The only situation I can think of where Wind acc might be marginally useful would be for Temperance and Faith, where you should be casting Gravity sparingly anyway.

Anyway, it seems like almost all RDM merit it, so I feel like I'm missing something.

More OT, I'm planning on the following:
4 Convert
3 Ice
3 Earth

3 Slow II
2 Phalanx2
1 Dia3

[Ruin]

You're on the right track, but id consider lvl dia3 since it barely lasts lvl1.

[Diametric]

I think it's mostly because when you need to cast Silence or Grav, you *really* need it to stick. HNMs aren't everything; gravity is useful for soloing, and the recast time is significantly longer than our other enfeebles. Paralyze II is so random that even casting in full MND gear you'll get occasions where it barely procs at all.

[Credos]

I think it's mostly because when you need to cast Silence or Grav, you *really* need it to stick. HNMs aren't everything; gravity is useful for soloing, and the recast time is significantly longer than our other enfeebles. Paralyze II is so random that even casting in full MND gear you'll get occasions where it barely procs at all.

I went with 4 Wind acc mainly for kited mobs and things that you -need- to have gravity on. Silence is great too, but the recast time on Gravity is what was the seller for me.

[Metah]

I'm not done my merits by any means, but this is what my merits will be:

MP 8
STR 2
DEX 2
MND 1
Axe 8
Sword 6
Dagger 6
Enfeebling 8
Elemental 8
5 Ice Accuracy
5 Wind Accuracy
3 Phalanx II
1 Dia III
2 Paralyze II
4 Critical Hit+
4 Spell Interupption Rate-

[Koyangi]

Didn't want to make a new topic, but I want some specific questions answered about the t2 merits.

Even if I only unlock lvl1 slow2 and para2 it'll still be a better spell than the t1 (despite mp cost)?

Phalanx 1 vs capped Phalanx 2 what's the formula of dmg mitigation, and how long will Phalanx 2 last in total compared to 1?

I want to go Dia3, Phalanx2(3), Para2, Slow2.

95% chance I won't be "main" rdm for mostly any HNM, but I see this useful overall based on what I see myself doing with this job, any other opinions or information outside of the 2 questions would be cool, thanks.

[AzazaelFenrir]

from my experience with Para 2, 1 level is worthless. If you are going all around and maxing one, spend the other point in Dia 3 or Slow 2.

I have Para 2 capped and love it, but wasn't a fan before it was capped.

[Airenn]

Well, my RDM is merit'd out like this.

HP/MP (used to have +30 +50 but i'm moving the MP ones to HP)
HP+30
MP+30

Group1 10/10
5/5 Wind Acc
5/5 Ice Accuracy

Group2 6/6
Lv3 Slow II
Lv1 Blind II
Lv1 Para II
Lv1 Dia III

Magic Skills (16/16)
8/8 Enfeebling (Did this before they updated the total)
8/8 Elemental (Did this post-update when the total was raised)

Attributes (You can do these as you please, some don't do MND at all, and do STR or something, if your not just a mage)
3 MND
2 INT

Other
Crits 4
Spell Int Rate 4


Basically, do the other ones as you see fit based upon your other jobs at 75 too. IE if you want to merit STR to +5 for a melee job then go ahead, merits outside of the Job Specific ones are all your choice Merit Enhancing if ya want, its up to you, but the above is what i've done.

HP: 4
MP: 4

Group1 10/10
5/5 Wind Acc
5/5 Ice Accuracy


Magic Skills (16/16)
8/8 Enfeebling (Before total)
8/8 Elemental (After total)

Group2 6/6
Lv3 Slow II
Lv1 Phal II
Lv2 Para II

Attributes
3 MND
2 INT

Other
Enmity+ 4
Spell Int Rate 2

Combat

Eva 4 (Taking to 8)
Dagger 1 atm (Prolly taking higher)

Close to mine, lol. <3

[Jeryhn]

My plan for RDM looks like this (other jobs are PLD and SMN, and perhaps DRK someday):

8 MP
5 STR
8 Sword, 4 Shield
4 Critical Hit rate, 4 Spell Interruption Rate

5 Convert Recast
5 Wind Accuracy

1 Slow2
1 Paralyze2
1 Blind2
3 Phalanx2 (Fucking excellent for Salvage)

As for magic skill merits, depends on your other jobs. SMN is my "pimped-out" job, and has 8 summoning magic merits. But if you're going to be focusing on RDM specifically, you can't go wrong with 8 Enfeebling, 8 Elemental. Healing, divine, dark and enhancing aren't worth the merit points.

[Osede]

My plan for RDM looks like this (other jobs are PLD and SMN, and perhaps DRK someday):

8 MP
5 STR
8 Sword, 4 Shield
4 Critical Hit rate, 4 Spell Interruption Rate

5 Convert Recast
5 Wind Accuracy

1 Slow2
1 Paralyze2
1 Blind2
3 Phalanx2 (Fucking excellent for Salvage)

As for magic skill merits, depends on your other jobs. SMN is my "pimped-out" job, and has 8 summoning magic merits. But if you're going to be focusing on RDM specifically, you can't go wrong with 8 Enfeebling, 8 Elemental. Healing, divine, dark and enhancing aren't worth the merit points.

In my opinion, for the group 2 merit, either at least 2 points on them, or don't put any at all (beside dia3). The mp cost and effect is not so efficient compare to the slow1,para1,blind1

[Vaxx]

My RDM Related Merits

8 HP, for my other jobs
8 Enfeebling, 8 Elemental
4 Spell Interrupt

5 Convert Recast
4 Ice Potency
1 Wind Potency

3 Bio III
2 Paralyze II
1 Slow II


Built more for solo, as originally Whm was my main mage job (though nowadays I'm always rdm, never whm).

[Tajin]

Group 1: 4 Ice, 3 Wind, 3 Earth
Group 2: 2 Paralyze II, 2 Slow II, 2 Phalanx II
8 Enfeebling

I like this one, but might put 3 in PhalanxII or SlowII. But I have to say, when paralyze procs, boy it looks sexy.

Oh and 8 Elemental because BLM.

Edit: fucking necro

[rrynn]

i second/third/etc the idea of not putting 1 merit into para II. maxed i LOVE it. but one merit in it and it is basically para 1 that costs more mp. if that is all you are going to put into it, save the merit to max out something else instead. our teir II merits are one place that trying to be a jack of all trades really hurts us imho.

[Tomiko]

Eva 4 (Taking to 8)

wut

[Airenn]

Eva 4 (Taking to 8)

wut

Well, I am only a NIN, RDM, BRD. I do shit like pull on BRD where it would help. Tank on NIN where it would help. And constantly Duo/Solo stuff on RDM where it definitely can't hurt, especially not when I have no other need to put merits into the combat category.

I use a sword less than 10% of the time on RDM. If I am on NIN it is probably /DRK tanking where KTN skill isn't going to do much. So EVA is the only logical choice that can possibly help. That and Dagger which I might do as well, since I am thinking of THF next to 75. ;p

[Alistaire]

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For me:
Group 1: 4 wind 3 ice 3 slow so that i cover silence/gravity/bind/paralyze/slow/lolicenukes
Group 2: 3/3 bio because my ls didn't have anyone with that maxed (i wouldn't recommend doing it unless you solo stuff as much as I used to) 1 slow2 1 para2 1 dia3.
-4enmity
8 MP

EDIT: 8 enfeeble 8 elemental

Slow II and Para II are all-or-nothing merits. Don't do just 1 of either. Unless, with slow 2, you're that keen on preventing mobs from hasting themselves.

[Leeto]

I think I've posted in this thread before but I've changed my mind on things since then.

honestly, the only tier 2 RDM merit worth ANYTHING with only one merit in it is phalanx2 (lasts two minutes with one merit I believe). I have one para2 and one dia3, I never really use either except dia3 in zerg situations because they just wear so damn fast. I'm going to drop dia3 and probably go with 3 into slow2, 2 into para2, and 1 into phalanx2. I tend to use phalanx most on the first floor of salvage where 2 minutes is perfectly fine.

I'd also highly highly recommend capping convert no matter what you do, and then going for either a ton of ice or a ton of wind (depending on what you do--solo stuff that can't be slept you're going to want a good bind to rely on, otherwise you'll probably want wind or a mix of wind/earth)

[AzazaelFenrir]

I am amazed at all the RDMs that don't have at least 3 in vert timer.

Mine for reference

3/5 in vert (going for 5)
3/3 Para 2
2/3 Dia 3
1/3 Phalanx 2
undecided on elemental merits, I don't solo much so no point maxing wind out, thinking 3Ice 2Wind.

[Tula]

8/8 MP (elvaan, gear +merits and I have 1017hp/1001mp)
5/5 MND
8/8 Sword (for soloing)
2/8 dagger (for soloing)
8/8 Enfeebling magic
4/4 +enmity (for tanking)
4/4 Crit+
5/5 Ice magic acc.
3/3 Wind magic acc.
2/2 Earth magic acc.
1/1 Dia3
1/1 Slow2
2/2 Para2
2/2 Phalanx2

Almost done with merits, might change my wind/singing merits to ele skill for SCH since that will benefit my rdm aswell

[donnie]

my recommendation would be :
x HP x MP / 8 ( depend which race you are , and wither ur going to tank with rdm or not)
5/5 MND
Shield Skill / Parrying SKill / sword skill ( although most poeple would have a melee job that would rather to put some merits instead of those , but those are only good if your tanking ).
enfeebling 8/8
elemental 8/8
Enmity Decrase / Increase : None , espically you might tank as rdm.
Spell interruption rate 4/4 ( although i dont see the benefit , you shouldnt get interrupt with al fast cast gear )
Convert 3 / Earth 3 / Ice 4 ( i choose convert cause its very helpful for rdm tanking, and wind accuracy is meh cause if a mob can be silenced or gravitated , u would not have any trouble landing it ).

group2 :

Phalanx IIx3 ( obvious choice , with capped phalanx II its more reliable since it last as long as haste last , also gives a suffecient result )
DiaIIIx2 ( since most monsters are being TP burned , having Dia III is nice)
slowIIx1( the curve for slow II even with only 1 minimum , is enough to give good result , and it last just as long as slow II x3 , and always lands easily)
paralyzeIIx0 ( you can do just as well with paralyze x1 with enough MND , its all about how many times it procs)
bioIIIx0( unless your LS manaburn most of monsters , i dont see why would u want that)
blindIIx0( lol)