Items, Grips, and Misc Info Gathering Thread

[Ryko]

I did an exp pt today with SAM/WAR, DRK/SAM, DRG/SAM, BRD BRD WHM. The closest I ever got to dying was overdoing it with souleater on a wivre, which we had to kill to keep chain because the colibris would always die with 90 seconds before repop. I would often cast absorb TP then fire off a guillotine that killed the mob off from 40 to dead before it could fire it back.

[Siatdiat]

People need to stop crying b/c some DRGs used 2hr and all buffs with brd and cor buffs to do epeen ws on a fly in mire. All these ss of high damage are from well geared HNM drg/drk/sams as well. You know, guys who have spent 3 years gearing up their jobs. Please go xp, geared/merited 2h vs. dw and h2h, and compare how much healing people require as well not just damage. Im learning one thing from this update, no matter what SE does, people are going to bitch about it. Nothing has really changed except who is crying I guess.

[Ryko]

Yeah, no. Wrawng. A mob doesn't attack worth a damn if it dies in 3-15 seconds.

[Tomiko]

Why is being better off in an osode that bad? Its harder to get than a hauby is.

Hardest item to get in the game is a spelunker's hat, does it mean it should be better than an optical (granted that's taking it to a retarded extreme)? One shouldn't be drastically, ridiculously rewarded for having bad sense.

Awesome, I can retire my ffxi career now.

[Toth]

So is it fair to do up a list?

Winners of the Changes:
SAM
DRG
DRK
GAXE WAR

Losers of the Changes:
MNK
THF
NIN
WAR/NIN

Indifferent:
RNG

LOL:
PUP

PUP is def a real winner from this update.

[Tiernin]

osode and hauby +1 are around the same price on Odin. Osode may have been hard to get when it was still like 50M, a 3-4 years back, but times have changed.

[Rocl]

So is it fair to do up a list?

Winners of the Changes:
SAM
DRG
DRK
GAXE WAR
PUP
RDM
BRD
COR
STAFF MNK

Losers of the Changes:
MNK
THF
NIN
WAR/NIN

Indifferent:
RNG

LOL:
BST

Looks better now, BRD+RDM always win fyi

[Toth]

Well, it seems some of those powerful (and expensive) BST pets last a lot longer and are easier to make. That would make this update a win for them, no?

[Dreampainter]

Pup seems to be a big winner on the update. i'm more interested in those changes than on my drg changes. Puppets casting 7 spells in 20 seconds and A- cap skills on everything, I just hope its not a bug lol. I saw a screenshot of ThunderIII for 1k with 3 ice maneuver, and thats without the tier IV spells the blm head will have (galka making me wait -_-)

[Kattice]

Wafik don't be such a fag. Sure you got a mandau, but polearms are piercing and get a damage bonus. All your bawwing makes you and all the other relic users look bad. So you worked hard on your relic, good job, but it doesn't mean you should excel at something your job does not have an end all advantage in. Your like the melee RDM in the party when compared to a dragoon without that relic of yours. The moment you think you are ENTITLED to it is the time when you need to get a life and a reality check.

DRG > THF on birds. End of story, never should have been a case where it was any other way. Its like bawwing about MNK > THF on bones, its their speciality.

Let me explain the update reasoning for you immature idiots calling NERF on a decent correction.

2 STR = 1 attack, 2 Dex = 1 acc. Perfect for those with two weapons, since they get two attacks.
1 STR = 1 attack, 1 dex = 1 acc. Perfect for those with a two handed weapon, since they use both arms to attack. Doubling the power (strength) of the character is only logical.

The update is good and it fixes a lot of this war burn bullshit that kept the 2 handers out. For christ sakes don't be bawwing about your lack of an advantage and how a decent player can use AH and rare/ex stuff to beat you. Its pitiful.

[Sagacious Sundi]

BLMelee and melee SMN with their staves also win!
I'd imagine COR is now joining RDM and BRD on the winning streak. (Punintended.)

[Alistaire]

Did a pt last night with sam sam drk brd and me (rdm/blu) vs mamools @ nyzul isle. We had a nin but he dc'd before we even started, figured we'd try it out. Absolutely wrecked that camp, lost chains due to no mobs, and this is with 5 people. Also, one of the sam's figured out that Soboro's occasional 2-3 hits now procs on ws's. Apparently pre-update it didn't. And nobody complains about mamool thf evasion anymore that's for sure. We eventually got a whm for 6th spot to be a little more comfortable on healing, but a nin would've worked better, as I was only running out of mp about a minute before convert (no convert merits).

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

ITS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT

AND I FEEL FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE

[Ryko]

Wafik don't be such a fag. Sure you got a mandau, but polearms are piercing and get a damage bonus. All your bawwing makes you and all the other relic users look bad. So you worked hard on your relic, good job, but it doesn't mean you should excel at something your job does not have an end all advantage in. Your like the melee RDM in the party when compared to a dragoon without that relic of yours. The moment you think you are ENTITLED to it is the time when you need to get a life and a reality check.

DRG > THF on birds. End of story, never should have been a case where it was any other way. Its like bawwing about MNK > THF on bones, its their speciality.

Let me explain the update reasoning for you immature idiots calling NERF on a decent correction.

2 STR = 1 attack, 2 Dex = 1 acc. Perfect for those with two weapons, since they get two attacks.
1 STR = 1 attack, 1 dex = 1 acc. Perfect for those with a two handed weapon, since they use both arms to attack. Doubling the power (strength) of the character is only logical.

The update is good and it fixes a lot of this war burn bullshit that kept the 2 handers out. For christ sakes don't be bawwing about your lack of an advantage and how a decent player can use AH and rare/ex stuff to beat you. Its pitiful.

Lol grow the fuck up? I'm all for giving people shit but your logic and argument is fucking retarded.

[Kattice]

Then how do you try to explain why a job with a disadvantage with great gear should beat a job with an advantage and average gear?

All I am seeing is BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

[NynJa]

sorry, but this change gave 2h weapon users a little too much.

if you cant realize this, you're blind as a bat.

[Ryko]

Then how do you try to explain why a job with a disadvantage with great gear should beat a job with an advantage and average gear?

All I am seeing is BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Then I'd suggest you pick up some hooked on phonics because you sure as fuck don't know how to read. Thieves don't have a disadvantage on fucking exp mobs. For one, both weapons are piercing and last I checked you're not a fucking birdoon, you have no "specialty" against them that thieves don't, and the comparison with bones makes you look like a plugforking ajaxchugging dipshitard. Furthermore, an increase of 30-60 accuracy on any job for switching 1 piece of gear is fucking retarded, especially with your logic that they get "2 attacks". No dorkchop, they get 1 hard attack. Using that logic a dual wielder should get he same bonus since they actually get 2 attacks.

[Lordwafik]

Wafik don't be such a fag. Sure you got a mandau, but polearms are piercing and get a damage bonus. All your bawwing makes you and all the other relic users look bad. So you worked hard on your relic, good job, but it doesn't mean you should excel at something your job does not have an end all advantage in. Your like the melee RDM in the party when compared to a dragoon without that relic of yours. The moment you think you are ENTITLED to it is the time when you need to get a life and a reality check.

DRG > THF on birds. End of story, never should have been a case where it was any other way. Its like bawwing about MNK > THF on bones, its their speciality.

DRG > THF on birds? Since when? If anything they should be even, rangers aswell, considering we're all peircing. You automatically lose by trying to compare DRG to THF on peirce weak mobs, and MNK to Thief on peirce penalty/blunt weak mobs.


Btw I just came out of a merit party with a bunch of DRKs and SAMs, and, I fuckin' lol'd. Their damage was nothing amazing, it felt more on par with rampages than mercy strokes, unless the melees were holding TP till they hit 300%. Per hit, They'd hit sometimes for 200-300, but I hit the same mobs for 50-100 (non crit) 2-5 times between anytime they swing, I ws for much more than they did (unless once again, they were holding to 300%). Still looks like my thief will be awesome at colibri camp. These were AH people barring the 3/5 ares dark knight, who I think would probably benefit more out of a haub.

edit : I was RDM on this, not thf still wanna merit my thf vs 2h'ers.

[Attila]

Lol grow the fuck up? I'm all for giving people shit but your logic and argument is fucking retarded. For one, both weapons are piercing and last I checked you're not a fucking birdoon, you have no "specialty" against them that thieves don't, and the comparison with bones makes you look like a plugforking ajaxchugging dipshitard.

I'm sorry, I lol'd hard.

[Alistaire]

err.. is it me or this update ruined BLU as average DD, making it drop behind almost everyone else?
also since the BLU Roll from corsair is useless compared to, say, DRK or SAM ones (that got seriously buffed), this is even worst.

would like an opinion from former BLUs, please.

Unless BLU physical spells got updated yeah I'd say so. I say that cause BLU physical spells are calculated as if they were ws's with a 2-handed weapon, DMG 83 if I recall from the vzx page if you cap blu skill merits (or close to that if I'm off on that #). So basically BLU's now are like a pre-update 2-hander for our main source of damage now. Better than pre-update 2-handers cause of the boost from sword damage, but overall far behind post-update 2-handers.

Still hot for soloing imps but who isn't now? Those who have BST75 have some fun things to play with BLU/BST if they're not solo. But blu burn on colibri is still gonna do about 22k/hr with competent people, so soon as I find some of those I'll be happy about BLU again. For now I'll just party on rdm.