WS Changes testing

[Leashedragon]

Skewer is very sexy now. Although it doesn't beat Penta, it's gotten a really good jump up in damage.

I didn't get to play around with Lesser Colibri much as there were 10+ SAM/WAR/DRG/DRK out and about most areas, but I did do enough to see the difference.

Not gonna bother with TP on them cause sometimes I completely forgot what it was the second after using it. >>;

Penta Thrusts
1219
1546
1343
2012 (Angon)
1881 (Angon)

Skewer
1122
1128
656
1529 (Angon)
1280 (Angon)

These were all done on DRG/WHM. It's been a bit since I've gone out and soloed on them, but from what I remember that's a nice jump in damage. I've never used Skewer on them, so I honestly don't know how much of an improvement it's gotten comparatively, but I can say it's gotten a -really- nice boost.

My Attack on DRG now breaks 400 in my TP setup with no buffs. I believe before I had around 392 Attack or something? I now sit around 414 I think. I changed jobs to see how much Attack I have on my DRK and don't feel like switching gear around again, lol. My pimp ass DRG just got more pimpier? I want a BRD, NOW!

I really can't wait to try this out in EXP or on an HNM since two handers get even more of a bonus against higher level/defense mobs. loldrg at an HNM...

[6souls]

SAM is doing ~13000/WS with SA Gekko, and just as much with TA.

thats some godly damage

[Akiyama]

1185 Gekko with the Soboro. Only Zerk was up. /WAR.

[Kael]

So is DRG fixed now? lol

[Toth]

I'm hearing Howling Fists stun nows. I wonder what else it and DK have received.

[LD]

If the person who said that was using it on attertops, lol.

[Undeadhunter]

Spinning Slash got a boost, cant say what/how but I have to say WS average with it is ~1000 ranging from 800-1800

[Jkun]

Howling Fist doesn't stun, lol. I used it 10 times and not one stunned, this was on Colibri, Attercops, and Tigers.

However DK's damage on PUP went from 250-300ish to 450+ on /NIN, 500+ with /WAR, and streching 550+ with Zerk up.

I still need totry both at 300%, but too busy with testing my Puppet out over my own damage.

[Therin]

Spinning Slash got a boost, cant say what/how but I have to say WS average with it is ~1000 ranging from 800-1800

It seems like Spinning Slash is a forced crit. My average damage (out of at least 30 WSes on Lesser Colibri) was 1,122, whereas when I tried DRK/THF before duoing with a DRG friend, it was still doing around 1,100. And since people are questioning SA's effect on Gekko, that might be what they did - force crit WSes for 2-handers?

[Darcatvar]

Little bit of testing I have done on Emp Arrow. Might suggest it's good on higher def mobs, gonna test it out this weekend on Kirin.

Basically naked rng/whm on mandies at mea crag.

winder 2887
arching 2540
emp 987 (sub 200 tp)

In Den of Rancor on lizards, rng/war

Lizard in den:

emp 1323 dmg, 300tp

emp 915 dmg, 142tp

winder 1516 dmg, 132 tp

[Bagel]

Now news yet if stuff like Raging Rush and Dragon Kick have same ftp?

EDIT: Yes, I'm selfish and specifically asked about the two WSs that most apply to me.

[Loren]

Hm, my Detonator experience was different.

We went to Greater Colibri camp. BRD was singing 2 March and I had no food due to broken AH so I basically had no Attack bonuses.

Slug Shot: ~750
Detonator @100: ~600
Detonator @200: ~750
Detonator @300: ~900

But an important thing to note is that Detonator has always been extremely accurate. In fact, we were there over 2 hours and I didn't miss a single Detonator whereas Slug is kinda sketchy with no food. Thus, it seems like Slug and Detonator are now equal partners at least for a COR, depending on situational decisions, e.g.
@100: Slug if you're comfortable with Acc via Sharpshot/Marital Gun/sushi
@200: Indistinguishable.
@300: Detonator for superior dmg.

Closing Fusion after Gekko is also visually satisfying. :D

[Bagel]

Anyone test if Sword Strap subtracts from "true" delay or is just "fake haste" like hasso/desperate blows? I just got one off ODS

EDIT: Tested it out, 97 TP w/ Sword Strap, 101 TP w/o it. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

[Akiyama]

Anyone test if Sword Strap subtracts from "true" delay or is just "fake haste" like hasso/desperate blows? I just got one off ODS

EDIT: Tested it out, 97 TP w/ Sword Strap, 101 TP w/o it. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

Ew. Lame. T_T Thanks for the tests.

[Amele]

any word on yuki/gekko/kasha WSC mods? (still 75%?) heard a rumor that it might've kicked down to 60% and I'm seeking confirmation one way or the other.

[diony]

As far as I can tell, their still 75% STR mods, but the ftps at 100,200, and 300 tp are now 2.5, 3, and 3.25.

[Amele]

As far as I can tell, their still 75% STR mods, but the ftps at 100,200, and 300 tp are now 2.5, 3, and 3.25.

so hagun is still a +0.5 fTP for these, but the base is higher so the overall % increase is a little less.

awesome :D hagun is still good but is no longer so much better as to be untouchable by other gkts.

[tornfleshofsoul]

Did a birds merit pt today. With full Heca (minus legs, Conte pants) on Wheeling Thrusts. I was hitting 1177 every time, Angon or not, dia or not, 1177 for 1-hit. I double attacked once and did 1812. (80+64 STR on WS gear for Wheeling)

While they didn't change the text of wheeling that I can recall, it's been effected greatly by the 2h change. I used to hit 610s to 790s on Greater Collibris.

Pentas were kind've across the board (Full heca for Pentas), depending on hits. Most of mine were 4/5 hits. Ranging from 1400 with no buffs/songs to 2800 with Berserk/angon/2minuet.

Skewer's best was 1800ish with a 16TP return (2 hits double attacked) It's clear that skewer in merits isn't as good as penta unless you double attack 2 hits. And if you crit only 2 or less hits, even Wheeling seemed better, as some Skewers were in the 900ish range.

Lowest I saw on penta was 1022, but that was a 16% return (3 hits)

My guess, however, is that Skewer will be better for HNM, and that Penta will be lower damage/acc on things like Kirin/JoL. However with Wheeling's boost, it may be nice to see the damage from that.

Oh, and Randomly hit an 831 Jump in that party. My best yet on birds.

[RKenshin]

Some information from the last two exp PTs:

1) I still think that DA hits have the 1.0 ftp modifier. I had multiple instances where I DA'd on a Kaiten, but missed the first swing, and ended up getting 1 TP return for ~400 damage. Before the patch I was also doing ~400 damage on those 1hit swings.

2) I've been able to reach a cap on Kaiten's WS damage, of 1878 when my attack is high enough. This is using an 88 base damage weapon with 80+64 STR during the WS. I think this could be helpful towards figuring out how this WS equation may have changed?

[Sylvaria]

Some information from the last two exp PTs:

1) I still think that DA hits have the 1.0 ftp modifier. I had multiple instances where I DA'd on a Kaiten, but missed the first swing, and ended up getting 1 TP return for ~400 damage. Before the patch I was also doing ~400 damage on those 1hit swings.

can confirm this,happened 2-3 times in a xp pty i had aswell