8/27 Combined Changes Ultra Thread

[ZarakiKujata]

Edit:unless he was trying to prove base str=att

he was

[ringthree]

Might as well post this here now too. But I think there is now a general consensus that there is some fundamental error in almost all the damage calculations in the game right now. So all of this is probably going to change when they fix it.

[Amele]

Might as well post this here now too. But I think there is now a general consensus that there is some fundamental error in almost all the damage calculations in the game right now. So all of this is probably going to change when they fix it.

it looks like the second most important change (STR=ATT DEX=ACC) is staying put though.

[skurlover]

No offense to Ryko, but he shows 2h attack and str with drk using scythe and 1h with war and a sword. AFAIK drk get smore attack bonus then war does and sword is not wars A+ weapon. Show me those same changes using a drk with sword and gaxe (same skill cap) and I will believe base stats do not count. But my attack before buffs was not over 460 pre-patch, it it now 509. I also have higher attack on my bst using a scythe over an axe now.

Edit:unless he was trying to prove base str=att

That is exactly what he was proving. Switching /THF, /WAR, and /NIN around on a job that naturally has the highest Attack Bonus available is only going to change base stats.

[ringthree]

Might as well post this here now too. But I think there is now a general consensus that there is some fundamental error in almost all the damage calculations in the game right now. So all of this is probably going to change when they fix it.

it looks like the second most important change (STR=ATT DEX=ACC) is staying put though.

Yes, I would think so, but with how fundamentally things are messed up right now I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happens.

The new modifications will be set up so that a character's attribute scores will enhance attack benefits to a greater extent when wielding a two-handed weapon than when using a single-handed weapon. Further, when attacking high-level opponents or enemies with high defense, two-handed weapons will deal more damage than they have in the past.

We took that to mean that they were talking about the statistic "Attack" but it can be easily read as the more general "attack benefits" which could be attack, accuracy or any number of things. Also it pluralizes "attribute scores" indicating they were talking about more than one, so not just STR alone.

Of course this is an interpretive reading of a translated document which has its own limitations.

[Amele]

Might as well post this here now too. But I think there is now a general consensus that there is some fundamental error in almost all the damage calculations in the game right now. So all of this is probably going to change when they fix it.

it looks like the second most important change (STR=ATT DEX=ACC) is staying put though.

Yes, I would think so, but with how fundamentally things are messed up right now I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happens.

The new modifications will be set up so that a character's attribute scores will enhance attack benefits to a greater extent when wielding a two-handed weapon than when using a single-handed weapon. Further, when attacking high-level opponents or enemies with high defense, two-handed weapons will deal more damage than they have in the past.

We took that to mean that they were talking about the statistic "Attack" but it can be easily read as the more general "attack benefits" which could be attack, accuracy or any number of things. Also it pluralizes "attribute scores" indicating they were talking about more than one, so not just STR alone.

Of course this is an interpretive reading of a translated document which has its own limitations.

I would agree that this is potentially a bug IF
1) all jobs had a STR/ATT DEX/ACC issue
or 2) all stats on 2hand had a STAT=bonus issue

since both are conspicuously missing (easily verified with any 1h weapon and checking Vit->def conversion) it's a rather easy conclusion that this is wholly intended by SE.

which is why I said what I did :wink:

[ringthree]

Might as well post this here now too. But I think there is now a general consensus that there is some fundamental error in almost all the damage calculations in the game right now. So all of this is probably going to change when they fix it.

it looks like the second most important change (STR=ATT DEX=ACC) is staying put though.

Yes, I would think so, but with how fundamentally things are messed up right now I wouldn't be surprised by anything that happens.

The new modifications will be set up so that a character's attribute scores will enhance attack benefits to a greater extent when wielding a two-handed weapon than when using a single-handed weapon. Further, when attacking high-level opponents or enemies with high defense, two-handed weapons will deal more damage than they have in the past.

We took that to mean that they were talking about the statistic "Attack" but it can be easily read as the more general "attack benefits" which could be attack, accuracy or any number of things. Also it pluralizes "attribute scores" indicating they were talking about more than one, so not just STR alone.

Of course this is an interpretive reading of a translated document which has its own limitations.

I would agree that this is potentially a bug IF
1) all jobs had a STR/ATT DEX/ACC issue
or 2) all stats on 2hand had a STAT=bonus issue

since both are conspicuously missing (easily verified with any 1h weapon and checking Vit->def conversion) it's a rather easy conclusion that this is wholly intended by SE.

which is why I said what I did :wink:

Oh, I wasn't disagreeing, just providing more evidence to support that notion.

[Darkslitter]

Damage cap on to weak mobs.

I think it should be changed to mobs that don't give exp. Someone noticed in salvage that they reached the damage cap, but I didn't take screenshots since I have that filtered...to prove that NMs have an attack cap, I tested it...oh and souleater does add damage past the damage cap (shoulda been obvious but I wanted to make sure)

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Should probably confirm its true for higher level NMs too though. If this has allready been said somewhere else sorry

[Max™]

Was hitting the Boreal hound for 658 Normal and 658 Crits (329 actual, +100% dmg taken right?) so thats a higher level mob with the cap it seems.

[VZX]

Was hitting the Boreal hound for 658 Normal and 658 Crits (329 actual, +100% dmg taken right?) so thats a higher level mob with the cap it seems.

I doubt 329 is the actual damage since it's not divisible by 3