2 COR party?

[Spider-Dan]

COR COR DRK WAR RDM [x]

COR 1: Chaos + Fighter's
COR 2: Rogue's (melee) + Evoker's (RDM) + Corsair's (all)

COR 2 pulls, CORs alternate Light Shots to stage.

Outside of the obvious flaw (there are never two 75 CORs logged on at the same time), seems like this could potentially be insane. I'll try to test it this weekend.

note: [x] could be BRD, but would probably be better as DD

[ringthree]

COR COR DRK WAR RDM [x]

COR 1: Chaos + Fighter's
COR 2: Rogue's (melee) + Evoker's (RDM) + Corsair's (all)

COR 2 pulls, CORs alternate Light Shots to stage.

Outside of the obvious flaw (there are never two 75 CORs logged on at the same time), seems like this could potentially be insane. I'll try to test it this weekend.

note: [x] could be BRD, but would probably be better as DD

Couple of problems, though it could work. CORs are still more inconsistent than BRD buffs, so chains could be lost due to a bust or just a bad roll. There might also be a problem because a large benefit to BRDs is March to which COR doesn't a direct comparable roll (though Fighter's roll may serve the same function for attacks).

As for a BRD being in the last slot I think you would have a problem with damage with only two true DD's and also because the WAR would generally have to really try to tank instead of bouncing hate around. That would greatly decrease its damage output.

[Khajit]

interesting idea but I think the brd is there to stabilize the exp rate in a cor+ brd pt.
The bard is alsoa better puller/crowd control than a cor. the effect of elegy is signifigant as well.

[Yutuyu]

COR rolls aren't that unstable anymore. Unless you decide to be risky, you won't bust. Rarely if ever will you get a bad roll, and the bad rolls are still about as good as minuet IV.

Even though all of that is true, I still think you'd be better off with a COR + BRD than 2 CORs. You need the BRD to give hastes, and the COR to give ATK & Double ATK. That's probably the optimal buffs, seeing as how for 2 handers CRIT+ is a joke, and ACC shouldn't be a problem anymore either.

[Mifaco]

not efficient. 50% slow is nice but BRD's real killer app is lullaby: no MP, short recast, short casting time, not interruptable, single or AoE cast.

[Jotaru]

People get all leaky over broken chains, too, but at the end of the day, if you are killing consistently fast, a broken chain really only loses you like... 200xp? Too lazy to math it out, but you only lose the bonus on the new Chain 0, Chain 1, Chain 2, Chain 3, Chain 4, Chain 5. In the course of maybe 200 mobs in a potential chain, losing it once (or twice) aint that much if overall you're killing faster, esp. with Corsair's Roll.

[Fng]

If you are killing faster how are you losing the chain?

[Therin]

If you are killing faster how are you losing the chain?

Because you kill so fast that the stuff isn't repopped yet? x_x

[Rasantath]

If you are killing faster how are you losing the chain?

faster average kills.
ie killing mobs in 30 seconds vs 45 seconds. just that every X mobs you lose chain for some reason (someone dies due to a bad link, or someone has to go take a leak, or whatever in game scenario you can think of)

[Delekii]

rdms are perfectly capable of sleeping too.

that said, its going to be a higher upkeep party, since the lack of elegy + the lack of march means mobs hitting twice as fast with longer utsu recasts.

[Driderk]

Has anybody rolled sam roll in a party since the update. If SAM was [X] and you did sam roll instead of thf roll it could be something amazing if the tp gain was raised enough.

[Jotaru]

If you are killing faster how are you losing the chain?

Variety of things, as stated. People are stating chains would be lost because COR isn't as efficient a puller as BRD, or this or that, whatev. I'm sure you'd kill insanely fast (I got my attack up yesterday to about 850 as SAM, no BRD, in my haste setup) but you may eventually lose a chain due to a pull being from far away, or something, I don't know. Maybe COR slept the mob WAYOVARTHAR---->. Too many people get too caught up in the high chain #, but its possible to have more xp with two chain 50's than a single chain 100, if you relate it to exp/hr instead of overall xp.

[Delekii]

I was just in a cor brd rdm war sam sam pt, there is no way 2cor would be better than that. Firstly, the amount of mp needed is a lot higher for the "new" merit parties, unless you have your 2h users going /nin (which sucks). So, Ballad+Evokers is important. Secondly, the speed of killing is just so fast, I dont think even 2 cors could properly handle it. We were easily and continuously running out of colibri. Minuet March Fighters Corsair -> over 30k/hr without breaking a sweat.

I have no doubt now that the 2h update will be toned down. It is just too much of a bonus lol.. 2h users hit 95%+acc on birds without food or even overly large acc gear, and no madrigal either as you can see. Its way too powerful (compared to even the best equipped melees prior).

[Spider-Dan]

I tend to think that Corsair's Roll would more than compensate for the occasional broken chain.

[Delekii]

I tend to think that Corsair's Roll would more than compensate for the occasional broken chain.

easily

cor roll with luzafs ring is the most powerful merit roll/song there is, bar none.

[divisortheory]

not efficient. 50% slow is nice but BRD's real killer app is lullaby: no MP, short recast, short casting time, not interruptable, single or AoE cast.

Would be awesome if SE gave Corsairs a way to sleep mobs by just shooting a bullet. ohwait...

[GavinBandura]

It would work well. We did brd,brd,cor parties before the update and cor roll would push colibri kills to around 240 a kill. Chain 400 didn't lose it once. Ridill war and nin were the DDs. I think double cor would work nicely with a brd.

[Ivve]

This morning I was in a party of COR/RDM, COR/NIN, WHM/BLM (me), SAM/WAR, SAM/WAR, and WAR/NIN. We were in mamool ja staging point, uncontested. We were making ~18k/hr, which is only on par with a good prepatch party. The risk is just not worth it. I tanked mobs with blink/stoneskin more times in this one pt than I have in all of my other ones as WHM combined, because light shot is simply not fast enough and there's no plan B (like horde) if the first one fails or someone accidentally wakes a slept mob. On top of that, BRDs are much faster pullers. If there was more than one pt at the camp at the time, there is no doubt in my mind that we would have been easily driven out, assuming that the other pt wasn't made of suck.

[Sylvrdragon]

I tried for a COR in the PT I built last night, but none were willing (wish you had been there Ras), but with BRD, RDM, WAR(no Ridill), MNK, 74DRG, THF, we hit chain 151 on second shelf Colibris (could have kept going, but it was an LS PT, so when one person goes, you just call it). Also, we saw first hand about the "killing too fast" thing. At a couple points, we had no mobs and had to uh... "borrow" a couple from the 2 PTs fighting for pulls on the bottom level.

It seems like just last week we were talking down to n00bs for using Corsair's Roll... oh wai~ (btw, is it really that good now?)

[Undeadhunter]

As a BRD myself, I would rather go for a COR BRD DRK RDM + 2 random melee pt, COR can go /RNG or /WHM whatever he likes more, BRD/NIN just pulls like always, probably atm the better setup for XP