Will They Fix It?

[FinalJustice]

I'm only concerned for THF and BLU to be honest.

Yea im kinda concerned about these 2 jobs too.

[Coldone]

With regards to the patch in general...BLM, RNG, and BST are the only jobs that don't really benefit from the new 2hand changes. Of those 3, only BLM and RNG really don't have anything to show for it, because quite frankly, the change to BST Exp is huge.

Wait, how has THF and MNK benefitted from the 2 hand change?

It helps if you actually read the whole paragraph. I'll help you out and bold the part you skipped before:

Mobs die faster than ever before, so every melee job is getting their merits at the same speed or faster than before. BLM, RNG, and BST are the only jobs that don't really benefit from the new 2hand changes. Of those 3, only BLM and RNG really don't have anything to show for it, because quite frankly, the change to BST Exp is huge.

my apologies on one part.. I read it wrong, but even with colibri camps, blms probably still get more merit invites in mana burns than thfs for tp burns

[Turambar]

WAR, MNK still reign the DoT field (strategically important as usual); WAR being "pure" damage dealer (no pet, no spells, no TP abilities) now owns with both 2H and 2weap. I'm only concerned for THF and BLU to be honest.

WARs still have Rampage/Raging Rush.

I thought it was fairly obvious that he meant WARs don't get Meditate natively.

[Eaglestrike]

It makes perfect sense that WAR can do more damage with a B+ weapon instead of a A+ even after this update. I know MNK should not be doing massive damage with a Staff either, but I don't recall any FF game where Ninja were tanks.

balance is what people want unfortunately when SE balances they nerf

When I played FF5 I know I did use Blink on a few boss fights.

I want balance, but the gap between DD's is still there, now it's just twice as big in the other direction.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

It makes perfect sense that WAR can do more damage with a B+ weapon instead of a A+ even after this update. I know MNK should not be doing massive damage with a Staff either, but I don't recall any FF game where Ninja were tanks.

balance is what people want unfortunately when SE balances they nerf

When I played FF5 I know I did use Blink on a few boss fights.

I want balance, but the gap between DD's is still there, now it's just twice as big in the other direction.

Actually, after FF11, when replaying other FFs, I have learned to love blink.

[FinalJustice]

So whats the "exact" problem? CAN these 2 handers out parse MNK/NIN/Wars now and do so easily?

Short answer, yes. 2H DDs no longer need to consider using sushi at all, being that DEX and acc are at a 1:1 ratio. STR and atk are as well. There was a change to fTP on certain WS as well (has this been proven/disproven?), which accounts for 2.5k dmg Tachi: Gekkos.

Enough speculation, show data
I want to see the data on AH 2 handers beating Ridil and BB mnks and decked out NINs and doing so "easily".

you serious? Everything I said was a fact excluding the first three words. Apparently your definition of 'easily' differs from mine.

And thats all good and fine.. now show data. And When i saw "easily" im not talking about food attk or w/e. Im talking about parse %'s that eclipse (by a large margin) War/Mnk/Nins.

[Pes]

I think the new 2hander fix is just fine, it's just going to take time for some people to get used to the shift in power of some jobs. I have SAM, NIN, RNG, and BLU all 75 so I'm a 2hander, 1hander, ranged attacker, and user of blue magic and I personally love the fix. In no way do I feel that my non-2hander jobs have been shafted by the fix and I still plan on playing them just as equally as I did before the update.

[Excalin Garisk]

I think it is wonderful that I can go out and merit on Drg for once and not be the last one picked. I feel for the people that feel they got smacked by this buff, but honestly most of you probably play them for Epeen and having to take a back seat to getting any gear I wanted on my Drg has dulled my sympathy a little on the subject. I think it is a welcome boost to those of us that lvled a job because we liked it for what it symbolized and not for what it necessarily could do. If SE comes back and changes something that puts Drg back on the bench...so be it, but till then I am going to enjoy it. The great thing about FF is that you can level all the jobs up on a single character. I am sure there are a bunch of sams running around right now in dunes. I was in the semi process of lvling sam to 60 myself. When I do finish merits up a little more I might just take it the distance.

I am sure SE has something planned that will balance this out more in some way. The time that 2hs get to own till then is more then fair to make up for the times we took the bench. I am sure it will always be cycles between the jobs. Just the way it goes.

[Admo]

You aren't going to see them (edit: AH 2hd vs. dual-wield parses) because one person said they killed a lesser colibri naked and did huge damage, so now everyone is just regurgitating this information and translating it into what they want to believe. Ever played the telephone game as a kid?

The melee balance was never "balanced" to begin with. 2 handed weapons should have never been eclipsed by someone dual wielding B-level weapons. I do agree the DEX to ACC change is a bit much, but STR to attack and whatever that pDIF crap is should stay the way it is.

[Croaker]

For all we know this has something to do with the new expansion, its only been 1 full day after the patch and people are complaining.

I keep hearing this "only 1 day" stuff as an excuse that we shouldn't be upset.

Only 1 day after Hiroshima, did the japs know they just got fucked or did they have to wait a few more weeks to figure it out?

You....can't have just made this analogy...

Yeah, because bombs are not the same thing as patches. You miss the whole point an analogy. Focus on the "did they know" aspect of it for a while and maybe it will become clear.


In the Monk Nerf thread http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=2&t=22731 a friend of mine posted screenshots of himself doing the same damage NAKED as he did in FULL GEAR. What he didn't say was that a GM was sitting there watching him and chatting with him the whole time. What he also didnt say was that the GM was amazed, confused and very appologetic.

SE fucked up. They now know they fucked up. Lets just hope they fix it soon.

[Khamsin]

For all we know this has something to do with the new expansion, its only been 1 full day after the patch and people are complaining.

I keep hearing this "only 1 day" stuff as an excuse that we shouldn't be upset.

Only 1 day after Hiroshima, did the japs know they just got fucked or did they have to wait a few more weeks to figure it out?

You....can't have just made this analogy...

"What the fuck, did we just get fucking nuked? This is bullshit!"

"Its ok, they'll release a patch next week."

Teacher: Ok, class, today we will learn about Hiroshima, the site of the second atomic bomb deployed by the United States during World War II-- uh, yes, Croaker?
Croaker: I know how they must have felt. I play a THF in Final Fantasy XI, and they just made 2-handed weapons better than dual wielding.
Teacher: Are you fucking kidding me?
Croaker: I know, it's insane! I'd rather have been at Hiroshima.

[LD]

Blah, with the crap they pulled in China and Kor-....I think we're going off topic.

[Priran]

I'd like to parse but I can't, DvsParse seems to have been broken by the update.

[LD]

I think that guy's point was something like "If this is meant to be supplemented by something in WotG, why didn't they just wait until WotG, instead of purposefully creating an imbalance?" Yes, not having to worry about acc and being able to push to the edges of the attack cap as a consequence IS an imbalance, however you want to slice it. DRG, DRK, & SAM weren't THAT bad pre-patch, and while WAR & MNK may not be that bad now, all it did was switch shit around. That doesn't FIX anything.

[aurik]

If you're looking for a parse showing a 2her smashing a previously elite DD, look at Ruke's recent parses against Lhexh, where he averaged 264 a swing and on the whole did 40% more damage than before.

Spoiler: a well-played Samano was already stronger than ridill war in merit.

[Shuemue]

But hey, at least my BLM has a +1 int grip and my MNK has a +2 mnd grip for chi.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

If you're looking for a parse showing a 2her smashing a previously elite DD, look at Ruke's recent parses against Lhexh, where he averaged 264 a swing and on the whole did 40% more damage than before.

Spoiler: a well-played Samano was already stronger than ridill war in merit.

Ruke was always smashing people and his gear isn't AH by any stretch of imagination. He's ruke. I don't think people are whining that somebody with impeccable gear and a relic can smash face... I'm talking average AH 2hers beating pimped 1hers.

[Judai]

I skimmed this shit, so prolly missed alot; The numbers I hear about seem outrageuos and maybe SE over did it. I haven't seen those kind of numbers on my SAM yet though. My SAM is pretty decked, I had 63+64 STR with Dual SV Mins and food I had 700+ Atk and Mad/Mar for KV last night. I did 3.9k damage(4.4k if you add in Light dmg), like 6 WSs for around 700 each. High was 800+, low was 550 or so. I didn't see 1.2ks, 2.3ks and shit like that so maybe my SAM is broke or people are pulling bullshit numbers out their ass.

(Unless that is pwn damage for SAM on KV, I always use MNK and my WSs are the same and the WARs hit 1k with Rampages)

I do have to say. LOL@ at the guy who is telling me to use Staff on MNK. If MNKs switch to Staff, that only proves they broke it and it needs to be fixed.

[Shuemue]

On level 40ish mobs, I just equipped kirin's pole on MNK, every swing was 219 dmg, crits included, and a 300% full swing landed for 1575.

Still punching for 126 and 189 crits.

I dunno, maybe with a primate +1 and some gear changes staff would work.

[Nagamaki]

The overall patch effect is crazy and I've stated why, but there are aspects people are bitching about that don't make sense.

Staff isn't better than HTH by any stretch of the imagination, Full Swing has a great fTP at 300% but a shitty one below that and a shitty WSC compared to DK, which had its already good 300% fTP boosted. MNK/THF isn't exactly overused, but its fun and efficient in the right situation, and now its better than before.

Staff isn't better for anything.

Also, the insane focus on "doing the same dmg naked" on too weak is ridiculous. Prepatch Spharai on TW did 108-163 with avg 136 and 176-204 crits, 197 avg. Now it does 136 always and 204 always (excluding triples here, so same avg normal, better avg crits). The 2.0 pdif cap does cause a nerf when ratio is high but not high enough for pdif to always be 2.0, however this is in no way proven by any quoting of damage against TW crap. Your damage on TW was the same with gear vs naked pre-patch too, you're attacking shit with no defense, that's perfectly normal.

Also, Primate (and even the weaker Kirin's Pole) did more per hit than Spharai prepatch, now it does slightly better because of the 3.0 pdif cap but why does this matter? The dmg/delay is ass, the WS are ass.