Will They Fix It?

[NynJa]

I agree there are some adjustments that need to be made, but I don't think gimp 2-handers are outparsing fully merited 1-handers even now. After those needed adjustments are made, the fully merited 1-handers aren't going to be beating them by 15% or more now, but is that really so bad?

A fully pimped out *DD JOB* should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse on *DD JOB*, regardless of what *DD JOB* is in either case. The fact a fully pimped out WAR THF MNK isnt epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse simply because Johnny AH is using a 2h weapon IS A PROBLEM. Get that through your fucking heads.

[aurik]

Let's see if he comes out 40% ahead of Lhexh's Ridill WAR and you'll have a more convincing point.

The parse was done, he picked up ~35% versus Lhexh since the last time the party was run despite retaining madrigal which gave him zero benefit due to over-capped accuracy.

[Don Katsu]

A fully pimped out *DD JOB* should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse on *DD JOB*, regardless of what *DD JOB* is in either case. The fact a fully pimped out WAR THF MNK isnt epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse simply because Johnny AH is using a 2h weapon IS A PROBLEM. Get that through your fucking heads.

I have yet to see Johhny AuctionHouse raping a Fully decked out MNK or WAR

[Khamsin]

A fully pimped out *DD JOB* should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse on *DD JOB*, regardless of what *DD JOB* is in either case. The fact a fully pimped out WAR THF MNK isnt epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse simply because Johnny AH is using a 2h weapon IS A PROBLEM. Get that through your fucking heads.

I have yet to see Johhny AuctionHouse raping a Fully decked out MNK or WAR

His point was that the fully decked out MNK or WAR should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse. However, it's now more like a gentle dominatrix met with weak feigned resistance than a cold-hearted violent rapist using a cactus as a dildo while choking him with his furtwangler.

[Don Katsu]

His point was that the fully decked out MNK or WAR should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse. However, it's now more like a gentle dominatrix met with weak feigned resistance than a cold-hearted violent rapist using a cactus as a dildo while choking him with his furtwangler.

Ok I get it now 8)

[LD]

Gotta admit that's vivid.

[Prier]

I agree there are some adjustments that need to be made, but I don't think gimp 2-handers are outparsing fully merited 1-handers even now. After those needed adjustments are made, the fully merited 1-handers aren't going to be beating them by 15% or more now, but is that really so bad?

A fully pimped out *DD JOB* should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse on *DD JOB*, regardless of what *DD JOB* is in either case. The fact a fully pimped out WAR THF MNK isnt epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse simply because Johnny AH is using a 2h weapon IS A PROBLEM. Get that through your fucking heads.

Indeed. I don't care whether or not my nearly fully merited NIN with nearly every desirable piece of gear is the best DD in the game, but the fact that a DRG with shit for gear and shit for merits can keep pace with me in merit is a bit.... wrong?

[alphacat]

Nin is supposed to be a top DD since when?

[Prier]

Hi, reread my post.

[alphacat]

Your post seems to imply that nin is supposed to out DD drg somehow. It's like saying a fully merited smn should out heal whm. Just makes little sense to me.

[Prier]

Your post seems to imply that nin is supposed to out DD drg somehow. It's like saying a fully merited smn should out heal whm. Just makes little sense to me.

Wow, nevermind my first reply to you. I assumed you had misunderstood my use of english and not the way the game worked pre-update.

[alphacat]

Notice "supposed". There's the way the game works, and the way SE wants it to work. This update is one step towards how it's supposed to work. Nin out damaging drg makes zero sense, and this update is SE's effort to fix it.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Notice "supposed". There's the way the game works, and the way SE wants it to work. This update is one step towards how it's supposed to work. Nin out damaging drg makes zero sense, and this update is SE's effort to fix it.

I'm not taking sides, but notice how he said: Shit-geared/merited DRG keeping pace with well-geared/merited NIN, not DRG outdamaging equally-geared/merited

However, I leave debating whether shit DRG should be on par/surpass great NIN damage-wise or whether it's even true up to you guys.

[kuronosan]

A low-level 2hander shouldn't outdamage a top-tier 1hander, but they shouldn't be that far behind either.

[Plow]

I agree there are some adjustments that need to be made, but I don't think gimp 2-handers are outparsing fully merited 1-handers even now. After those needed adjustments are made, the fully merited 1-handers aren't going to be beating them by 15% or more now, but is that really so bad?

A fully pimped out *DD JOB* should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse on *DD JOB*, regardless of what *DD JOB* is in either case. The fact a fully pimped out WAR THF MNK isnt epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse simply because Johnny AH is using a 2h weapon IS A PROBLEM. Get that through your fucking heads.

Maybe we'd give a shit if you gave a shit when my 73 war started outdamaging my 75 drk. Let alone when it got to 75 and could do better dps with nin sub than drk with nearly equal gear (haidate and suppa...)and war sub.


To the ninja, sorry, I don't care if the drg is in full af, when you can essentially go entirely untouched by merit mobs and the drg might as well be in paper when a mob looks at em, they should be outdamaging you, period.

[LinktheDeme]

I agree there are some adjustments that need to be made, but I don't think gimp 2-handers are outparsing fully merited 1-handers even now. After those needed adjustments are made, the fully merited 1-handers aren't going to be beating them by 15% or more now, but is that really so bad?

A fully pimped out *DD JOB* should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse on *DD JOB*, regardless of what *DD JOB* is in either case. The fact a fully pimped out WAR THF MNK isnt epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse simply because Johnny AH is using a 2h weapon IS A PROBLEM. Get that through your fucking heads.

Maybe we'd give a shit if you gave a shit when my 73 war started outdamaging my 75 drk. Let alone when it got to 75 and could do better dps with nin sub than drk with nearly equal gear (haidate and suppa...)and war sub.


To the ninja, sorry, I don't care if the drg is in full af, when you can essentially go entirely untouched by merit mobs and the drg might as well be in paper when a mob looks at em, they should be outdamaging you, period.

an unmerited drg with shit gear should in no way be close to a fully merited nin with good gear. Both are offensive jobs in merits the better geared/skilled/merited one should always out damage the other.

[Nagamaki]

The stupidity brought out by this stuff really is amazing.

Two-handed weapons doing better OR worse than one-handed is not "the way it should be" and a gimp-ass random two-hander shouldn't come remotely close to a well geared one-hander, not because he has a big spear and not because the one-hander happens to have utsusemi, anymore than it was right for a poorly geared one-hander to beat a top of the line two-hander before (not that it was really always true, pre-patch a good DRG could beat a shitty MNK, although it certainly wasn't too well balanced on even gear grounds).

I didn't level MNK for the magical purpose of being the best DD, I levelled MNK because when I started played in oct 2003, MNK looked like the coolest of the starting jobs. Back then people didn't even realize MNK was a viable job, that took almost two years to happen for the majority. There's a difference between playing the job you wanted to play and random retards that bashed on two-handers to make themselves feel big for being me-too WARs/MNKs whatevers. Some people actually base their judgment on player skill and never gave a damn what job they were.

Comments like "haha now you'll pay for all the imaginary things you did to us" and "you didn't care then!" are so full of shit its unbelievable. What the hell were people supposed to do exactly, send you daily letters of apology because SE's fSTR calculation happened to favor their job over yours?

We (as in one-hander jobs) didn't make the game unbalanced, you fucking morons. If you run into an inanimate tree in a park, do you seethe in rage for years until it gets cut by park services and then go gloat over it? Really?

[Plow]

The stupidity brought out by this stuff really is amazing.

Two-handed weapons doing better OR worse than one-handed is not "the way it should be" and a gimp-ass random two-hander shouldn't come remotely close to a well geared one-hander, not because he has a big spear and not because the one-hander happens to have utsusemi, anymore than it was right for a poorly geared one-hander to beat a top of the line two-hander before (not that it was really always true, pre-patch a good DRG could beat a shitty MNK, although it certainly wasn't too well balanced on even gear grounds).

I didn't level MNK for the magical purpose of being the best DD, I levelled MNK because when I started played in oct 2003, MNK looked like the coolest of the starting jobs. Back then people didn't even realize MNK was a viable job, that took almost two years to happen for the majority. There's a difference between playing the job you wanted to play and random retards that bashed on two-handers to make themselves feel big for being me-too WARs/MNKs whatevers. Some people actually base their judgment on player skill and never gave a damn what job they were.

Comments like "haha now you'll pay for all the imaginary things you did to us" and "you didn't care then!" are so full of shit its unbelievable. What the hell were people supposed to do exactly, send you daily letters of apology because SE's fSTR calculation happened to favor their job over yours?

We (as in one-hander jobs) didn't make the game unbalanced, you fucking morons. If you run into an inanimate tree in a park, do you seethe in rage for years until it gets cut by park services and then go gloat over it? Really?

No, but if someone stood behind the tree going "HAHA NOOB LEVEL CHAINSAW IF YOU WANNA WALK IN THE PARK" we probably wouldn't be too supportive of them when they started complaining.



edit: In other words, what goes around comes around. People told drk to stfu when we bitched about absorb-tp being unnecessarily nerfed, people lol'd at drgs that wanted to pt, etc etc.


Now you got your panties all up in a bunch and for what? Because it's now harder for you to get random pickup merit invites to parties you would laugh at and spit on a week ago because they have 2h jobs in them? Fuck that. Cry me a river, level sam if you want good merits now.

[Sendra]

In other words, what goes around comes around. People told drk to stfu when we bitched about absorb-tp being unnecessarily nerfed, people lol'd at drgs that wanted to pt, etc etc.

Now you got your panties all up in a bunch and for what? Because it's now harder for you to get random pickup merit invites to parties you would laugh at and spit on a week ago because they have 2h jobs in them? Fuck that. Cry me a river, level sam if you want good merits now.

You're acting like ABSOLUTELY NO BODY partied with two handed DDs, and everyone preached openly in the streets of whitegate, "level WAR if you want merits! Everything but WAR is a gimp DD!" To reiterate what Nagamaki said (you know, the one you just responded to?)

Some people actually base their judgment on player skill and never gave a damn what job they were.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

In other words, what goes around comes around. People told drk to stfu when we bitched about absorb-tp being unnecessarily nerfed, people lol'd at drgs that wanted to pt, etc etc.

Now you got your panties all up in a bunch and for what? Because it's now harder for you to get random pickup merit invites to parties you would laugh at and spit on a week ago because they have 2h jobs in them? Fuck that. Cry me a river, level sam if you want good merits now.

You're acting like ABSOLUTELY NO BODY partied with two handed DDs, and everyone preached openly in the streets of whitegate, "level WAR if you want merits! Everything but WAR is a gimp DD!" To reiterate what Nagamaki said (you know, the one you just responded to?)

Some people actually base their judgment on player skill and never gave a damn what job they were.

Think what you want, but leaving the invite flag up for a day with no invites and the few invites I DO get can't get past chain 5 in the mire says something was that damned broken.