Will They Fix It?

[Ddong]

I think people fail to realize is that all these One Handed users can fall back on a Two Handed weapon for HNM.

WARs - Can change from dual wield to GAxe/GSword
MNKs - Can start using Staffs for high damage WS on HNM
NINs - They usually go /DRK anyways to tank.
BST - Can start using Scythe more.

I don't really see what the big complaint is. Pretty much every job has same opportunity to be on par with each other when it comes to HNM.

Yes, MNK, NIN, & BST should abandon their A rank weapons for the lower ranked, yet still more powerful alternatives. Hmm. What does that remind me of? What What What?

Do you people even listen to yourselves or did you suddenly forget what made you bitch for a 2H upgrade in the first place?

Hint: It has to do with Dual Weild.

That arguement can go the other way too: Should a WAR and DRK abandon their A rank weapons for the lower ranked, yet still more powerful alternatives?

The reason for bitching about 2hand upgrade was slow tp gain compared to dual wield, less Dot compared to dual wield, and WS being weaker than 1handed weapons.

[Ddong]

I think people fail to realize is that all these One Handed users can fall back on a Two Handed weapon for HNM.

WARs - Can change from dual wield to GAxe/GSword
MNKs - Can start using Staffs for high damage WS on HNM
NINs - They usually go /DRK anyways to tank.
BST - Can start using Scythe more.

I don't really see what the big complaint is. Pretty much every job has same opportunity to be on par with each other when it comes to HNM.

BST are going to trade in their A- weapon, for a B- weapon with poor WS choices and that is balanced to you?

What about RNG? Swap in for Shadowbind?

Or THF? Back to the days of "in at the last minute for TH"?

For HNM BST can use Scythe weaponskill called Spiral Hell. Axe is still good for EXP (rampage).

RNG has always done massive burst damage, I don't understand point of bringing this job up here?

THF has always done good damage with /WAR.

Maybe majority of people just play with sucky players and don't really know the potential of each job.

Yeah because staff monks are loaded with potential.

I guess you never heard of Full Swing. =)

[Admo]

All I'm hearing from you guys at this point is "wha wha... I leveled <insertmeleejobhere>/NIN to merit and now other jobs can do it better and simpler." C'mon people... do we really need 50 million threads discussing your dislike of the changes?

[AzazaelFenrir]

I really hope they leave it. Let the RNG's and THF's sit out for a change. Lord forbid we let other jobs shine for awhile.

When have THF not sat out?

Fair point I guess. I almost always see our THF's out though, so it didn't really occur to me, sorry.

[Vertabreaker]

I don't think they'll change it. It seems too extreme of a change for it to be an accident or something even for SE.

Now if they only put RNG back to the way it was supposed to be.

[Ddong]

For HNM BST can use Scythe weaponskill called Spiral Hell. Axe is still good for EXP (rampage).

This isn't about being "good", asspuppet, its about being able to compete with the others. BST Scythe on HNMs, I'm hoping was a funny.

RNG has always done massive burst damage, I don't understand point of bringing this job up here?

Now not nearly as much as SAM? Or DRK? Or the other 2hand DD jobs that now do consistantly better DoT AND burst damage?

2k Sidewinder on Fafnir screenshots please.

I don't understand where you are trying to go with the BST comment you made. Have you forgotten that BST has pets that add on to their overall DoT?

Yes because Fafnir is the only mob in the game right?

http://killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=po ... 7286&d=510

Maybe you should just browse through the ranger damage post-update(RNG change update) thread and see their capabilities from all mobs ranging from EXP, to SKY, KSNM, SEA, etc.

[Kononeko]

I have never been a fan of nerfs for anyone, I would much rather have all classes become more powerful and them ad more powerful mobs, and gears into the game.

[Rocl]

mage, dont give a shit, etc

Whatever gets the job done

[Eaglestrike]

Minor nerf to current 2H: Take away the DEX buff, preferably lessen Scythe/GK WS's to somewhere in between pre-patch and post-patch (preferably GK back to old but whatever )

Give 1H weapons the DEX buff, give THF +1% crit per 4 DEX, give NIN (maybe mnk too?) +1% crit per 6 dex.

This might make 1H better at merit than 2H currently, but I think it'd be more balanced for HNM, 2H would be spike, 1H would be DoT vs an HNM.

The only major problem I see with my suggestion is it would make the game too fast, in some ways that's a welcome change and in other ways it removes part of the game, imo.

[Sasarai]

For HNM BST can use Scythe weaponskill called Spiral Hell. Axe is still good for EXP (rampage).

This isn't about being "good", asspuppet, its about being able to compete with the others. BST Scythe on HNMs, I'm hoping was a funny.

RNG has always done massive burst damage, I don't understand point of bringing this job up here?

Now not nearly as much as SAM? Or DRK? Or the other 2hand DD jobs that now do consistantly better DoT AND burst damage?

2k Sidewinder on Fafnir screenshots please.

I don't understand where you are trying to go with the BST comment you made. Have you forgotten that BST has pets that add on to their overall DoT?

Yes because Fafnir is the only mob in the game right?

http://killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=po ... 7286&d=510

Maybe you should just browse through the ranger damage post-update(RNG change update) thread and see their capabilities from all mobs ranging from EXP, to SKY, KSNM, SEA, etc.

Wow, is this whole update whooshing you?

The point is not how strong jobs were, its how strong they are in comparison to each other NOW. Ranger was a strong job before by virtue of the fact that Slugwinder to a certain degree compensated largely for the extremely low DoT and below-average TP gain. Now SAM/DRK etc have equal WS damage, but with considerably larger DoT, higher TP gain, higher survivability and to top it all off, they don't actually pay to do it!

[Starr]

Leave it as it is.

[LD]

I think people fail to realize is that all these One Handed users can fall back on a Two Handed weapon for HNM.

WARs - Can change from dual wield to GAxe/GSword
MNKs - Can start using Staffs for high damage WS on HNM
NINs - They usually go /DRK anyways to tank.
BST - Can start using Scythe more.

I don't really see what the big complaint is. Pretty much every job has same opportunity to be on par with each other when it comes to HNM.

Yes, MNK, NIN, & BST should abandon their A rank weapons for the lower ranked, yet still more powerful alternatives. Hmm. What does that remind me of? What What What?

Do you people even listen to yourselves or did you suddenly forget what made you bitch for a 2H upgrade in the first place?

Hint: It has to do with Dual Weild.

That arguement can go the other way too: Should a WAR and DRK abandon their A rank weapons for the lower ranked, yet still more powerful alternatives?

The reason for bitching about 2hand upgrade was slow tp gain compared to dual wield, less Dot compared to dual wield, and WS being weaker than 1handed weapons.

Oh, ok, you AREN'T listening to yourself. You really don't see the hypocrisy here.
Let me spell it out for you. You don't think 2H jobs should have to use 1H weapons, but you think 1H jobs should have to use 2H weapons.

[MIrepoix]

I really think they'll adjust the accuracy thing when the introduce the pit, it's obvious they didn't think that through and test it enough, it's just far too much. Or at least I hope they do, I'm more than aggrivated at my NIN which I worked so hard on getting beaten out by Onimaru's and Ruby Rings.

I don't think SE is interested in who does the most dmg, or what gear setups are the most "1337". I believe this update brings their original idea of what 2 handed weapons were supposed to be. High dmg with long delays. SE has always been about group dynamics and this brings a whole lot of jobs back into that dynamic. A lot of people are upset that the loldrgs now have constant high damage potential. That G.axe warriors dish out death. This brings those setups back into the fold, and greatly improving the combos of jobs.

Your nin still does good dmg. It's not like your job is broken and you'll never get invites, Or you wont be useful on end game events. Now you have to share the stage with other people who have stuck to their guns, and endured years of being in the shadows.

For the record, I have a 75 Drg, been there for over 2 years. And i've worked hard to attain those levels. And harder to get my gear.

[Ddong]

I think people fail to realize is that all these One Handed users can fall back on a Two Handed weapon for HNM.

WARs - Can change from dual wield to GAxe/GSword
MNKs - Can start using Staffs for high damage WS on HNM
NINs - They usually go /DRK anyways to tank.
BST - Can start using Scythe more.

I don't really see what the big complaint is. Pretty much every job has same opportunity to be on par with each other when it comes to HNM.

Yes, MNK, NIN, & BST should abandon their A rank weapons for the lower ranked, yet still more powerful alternatives. Hmm. What does that remind me of? What What What?

Do you people even listen to yourselves or did you suddenly forget what made you bitch for a 2H upgrade in the first place?

Hint: It has to do with Dual Weild.

That arguement can go the other way too: Should a WAR and DRK abandon their A rank weapons for the lower ranked, yet still more powerful alternatives?

The reason for bitching about 2hand upgrade was slow tp gain compared to dual wield, less Dot compared to dual wield, and WS being weaker than 1handed weapons.

Oh, ok, you AREN'T listening to yourself. You really don't see the hypocrisy here.
Let me spell it out for you. You don't think 2H jobs should have to use 1H weapons, but you think 1H jobs should have to use 2H weapons.

I think 1H jobs should use 2H weapons for HNM if they have access to good WS for those weapons. For EXP it doesn't matter whether they use 1H or 2H.

So are you saying 2H jobs should use 1H weapons? If you want to make an arguement, then do something that doesn't make YOU a hypocrit. I say this because you are the one that brought up the example and I am countering YOUR example to show how conflicting it is.

[Lordender]

If these "buffs" are any indication to how challenging wings of the goddess mobs are going to be(which i think is one of the bigger reasons why SE waited until now to fix 2h weapons/weaponskills). Focus is starting to draw away from the ToAU scene and entering wings of the goddess phase, i wouldn't be surprised to see certain jobs/1h weapons buffed up on this scale in the future. I think the 2h adjustments are just a phase of buff's that are incomming imo.

[Eaglestrike]

I think 1H jobs should use 2H weapons for HNM if they have access to good WS for those weapons. For EXP it doesn't matter whether they use 1H or 2H.

So are you saying 2H jobs should use 1H weapons? If you want to make an arguement, then do something that doesn't make YOU a hypocrit. I say this because you are the one that brought up the example and I am countering YOUR example to show how conflicting it is.

And what about the job that has no access to 2H weapons at all? THF has no skill in any 2H weapon.

[LD]

I think 1H jobs should use 2H weapons for HNM if they have access to good WS for those weapons. For EXP it doesn't matter whether they use 1H or 2H.

So are you saying 2H jobs should use 1H weapons? If you want to make an arguement, then do something that doesn't make YOU a hypocrit. I say this because you are the one that brought up the example and I am countering YOUR example to show how conflicting it is.

No, you simpering inbred.

Don't you understand that was to show you how much of a blind moron you're being? The fact is both should be practically even in most respects and you are suggesting those jobs do EXACTLY what DRKs and others have been forced to do for the last 3 years. You can't even recognize what you were asking because you're so caught up in your "we had it tough for 3 years" horseshit that you can't see that you're potentially damning 1-handers to the same fucking fate. How in the Hell would that be fair?

[Appie]

If they gave the dex thing to dual wield and let 2handers keep the rest there prolly would be no need for any of the two to bitch. 2handers can sport an acc setup in gear instead of the full haste/att/str they can now to even further boost their boost to dmg. And dual wield would be the more accurate/but smaller dmg category, just like it is in even other game concerning these kind of weapons. I don't remember a game before FFXI to defy this "weapon law". Before I get crap like: but it's Final Fantasy! Certain things in games, even in FFXI, still follow normal logic. I don't think this should be an exception.

If they do nothing to change it in the Pit patch they probably never will and as Xno said, the 2handers era will begin. I don't care much either way, already decided to pick up my SAM63 again =D

[Ddong]

I think 1H jobs should use 2H weapons for HNM if they have access to good WS for those weapons. For EXP it doesn't matter whether they use 1H or 2H.

So are you saying 2H jobs should use 1H weapons? If you want to make an arguement, then do something that doesn't make YOU a hypocrit. I say this because you are the one that brought up the example and I am countering YOUR example to show how conflicting it is.

No, you simpering inbred.

Don't you understand that was to show you how much of a blind moron you're being? The fact is both should be practically even in most respects and you were suggesting those jobs do EXACTLY what DRKs and others have been forced to do for the last 3 years. You couldn't even recognize what you were asking because you were so caught up in your "we had it tough for 3 years" horseshit that you can't see that you're potentiually damning 1-handers to the same fucking fate. How in the Hell would that be fair?

Did I say anything in my post that "we had it tough for 3 years"? Don't put words in my mouth.
Do you have any clue on how to play the game at all? It's not like SAM and DRK will be spamming WS non-stop without any consequence. Again how are 1H users being damned in this update? Most have alternative weapons they can fall back on if they choose to ( again I repeat for HNMs NOT EXP, because 1H users are still good in EXP ).

I've seen several people say things about THF, but you forget that they have ability to plant hate on tank and do good damage on their own without sacrificing their subjob. Yes, it sucks they don't have a 2H weapon to fall back on, but you shouldn't expect 1H ws to be on par with 2H ws.

[Sendra]

Your nin still does good dmg. It's not like your job is broken and you'll never get invites, Or you wont be useful on end game events. Now you have to share the stage with other people who have stuck to their guns, and endured years of being in the shadows.

For the record, I have a 75 Drg, been there for over 2 years. And i've worked hard to attain those levels. And harder to get my gear.

Of course I still do good (until standards change) damage, not much has really changed from a personal stance. If I were getting reasonably outparsed/equated by a two handed DD who worked to get good gear/merits/skill/whatever, I wouldn't be annoyed.

It's the fact that a two month old meritless SAM that doesn't swap gear due to his 360's macro lag can come even close to the damage I can do. Yes, I CAN beat them, no, I'm not happy with winning by 2-3% when I do. Thats just rediculous, and it's even more rediculous that I can swing 85% acc at colibri with meat, madrigal, and a proper meat/acc build, where Mr. STR SAM can bust out 90%+ under the same conditions wearing full STR.