Will They Fix It?

[kuronosan]

You're acting like ABSOLUTELY NO BODY partied with two handed DDs, and everyone preached openly in the streets of whitegate, "level WAR if you want merits! Everything but WAR is a gimp DD!" To reiterate what Nagamaki said (you know, the one you just responded to?)

Ironically, the people who didn't care about partying with non-WARs and non-MNKs were the ones who thought "some exp is better than no exp" as opposed to the many WARs and MNKs whose mentality was "if it's not 20k/hr in a melee burn it's not an exp pt".

Again. If anything needs to be fixed it's the fact that low-equipped DDs should not be on par with excellent equipped DDs. A great-equipped 2H DD should always outdamage a 1H DD. ALWAYS.

Come on. Are you telling me that a WAR should have been able to hit a mob for 150 damage a hit when dual wielding Axes, while a 2H GTK-wielding SAM could only hit for that much (give or take 50) a swing? There's a reason WARs and MNKs were always of higher versatility in merit parties.

Remember those Kirin dies in 30 seconds videos? Those Divine Might done by 18 MNKs videos? You couldn't hope to accomplish that with any other DD. If you think that's not broken, you really ought to get your head checked.

This merely needs to be tweaked. Not nerfed.

[Zilong]

I'm pretty sure those 30 second kirin lies mostly on the BRD's buffs and souleater being the broken ability that it is for zerging damage rather than using specific DD onry...

[Vistani]

Those Divine Might done by 18 MNKs videos? You couldn't hope to accomplish that with any other DD. If you think that's not broken, you really ought to get your head checked.

This merely needs to be tweaked. Not nerfed.

Remember those Ark Angel fights with 3 galkas? You couldn't hope to accomplish that with any other race. If you think Galka aren't broken, you really ought to get your head checked.

Elvaans merely need to be tweaked. Not nerfed.

PROOF THAT GALKAS ARE OVERPOWERED

[Eaglestrike]

Remember those Kirin dies in 30 seconds videos? Those Divine Might done by 18 MNKs videos? You couldn't hope to accomplish that with any other DD. If you think that's not broken, you really ought to get your head checked.

Uhh, I think a few other jobs would work for that. I can see 18 THF's working, 18 warrior's possibly, DRG's probably can, SAM easily can especially post-patch, 18 DRK's probably can with a few kraken/m.kris/ridills scattered around...then you can get an entire alliance of Utsusemi and scatter around stuns and heals with 18 NIN's, I'm sure they could manage.

The only "wow" factor of an 18 <job> fight is finding 18 people with that 75 job that would agree to go. Everyone has 75 blm so that wasn't hard and lots of people have WAR/MNK/NIN so can probably get those groups together, but it'd be a lot harder I think to find 18 of the other DD jobs. And then you start to get desperate and invite retards and no matter what job everyone is, a retard can still screw you up

[Sekkite]

I agree there are some adjustments that need to be made, but I don't think gimp 2-handers are outparsing fully merited 1-handers even now. After those needed adjustments are made, the fully merited 1-handers aren't going to be beating them by 15% or more now, but is that really so bad?

A fully pimped out *DD JOB* should be epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse on *DD JOB*, regardless of what *DD JOB* is in either case. The fact a fully pimped out WAR THF MNK isnt epically raping Johnny AuctionHouse simply because Johnny AH is using a 2h weapon IS A PROBLEM. Get that through your fucking heads.

I've had a fucking Monk using Shiva's Claws and full AF gear with Purple Belt out DPS me when I was using Full Thick Gear with pieces of Adaman and some Hecatomb to macro in for Weapon Skill. Pre-patch of course (pre Absorb-TP and pre-Drain II as well, but still).

SHIVA's CLAWS.

The shit goes both ways Nynja. You can't have a well geared DRK or DRG be out-damaged by a shit geared monk that is barely equipped for the mid-50's, let alone level 75. Keep that in mind when you're going against two-handed weapons. The idea is a balance, not to completely revert the change.

[Kriz]

Obviously, 18 White Mages with the BLM gear they have would win DM with a few volleys of Banishga II.

Well, maybe not...

[alphacat]

I like how fucking mnks seem to have short term memory. Not long ago monks with TM+1 and brown belt can out DD a drg or drk with full homam, and they had no problem with it. Very funny to see them whine like little girls once the table is turned.

[Alisha]

your missing the point. drg has its amazing wyvern wich it appears most drgs DO NOT embrace as well as jumps that can be double attacked and sneak attacked. my drg is only level 54 and reconized the power of the wyvern before level 10. i dont know much about drk having never played it but they have a fair amount of spells and higher elemental magic than rdm. i actually believe that bluemage is a reimagining of drk. meaninwhile monk has nothing but fists and kicks. chakra is cool but its definately no healing breath and more often than not use use it to clear status effects and not to heal. chi blast is too specialized to be used in an exp pt maybe if i could use tp to charge it instead of just boost. so now drk and drg have those things on top of equal damage potential,maybe even more damage potential in the case of drg due piercing weak mobs and the wyverns DoT.

[Deejay]

your missing the point. drg has its amazing wyvern wich it appears most drgs DO NOT embrace as well as jumps that can be double attacked and sneak attacked. my drg is only level 54 and reconized the power of the wyvern before level 10. i dont know much about drk having never played it but they have a fair amount of spells and higher elemental magic than rdm. i actually believe that bluemage is a reimagining of drk. meaninwhile monk has nothing but fists and kicks. chakra is cool but its definately no healing breath and more often than not use use it to clear status effects and not to heal. chi blast is too specialized to be used in an exp pt maybe if i could use tp to charge it instead of just boost. so now drk and drk have those things on top of equal damage potential,maybe even more damage potential in the case of drg due piercing weak mobs and the wyverns DoT.

wyverns suck with AoE.
Game Over.

[aurik]

So instead of making wyverns more resilient to AoE (ie, fixing the real problem), lets just make the game mechanics brokenly favor anyone with a 2handed weapon.

[Sekkite]

So instead of making wyverns more resilient to AoE (ie, fixing the real problem), lets just make the game mechanics brokenly favor anyone with a 2handed weapon.

Are you even trying anymore? Seriously, you're bitching for the sake of bitching at this point. Two handed weapons were not fine the way they were and that is a fact. If Wyverns were immune to all AOE, it would still not make the slightest difference for Dragoons pre-patch regarding their viability in merit parties or HNMs, not to mention that it wouldn't do anything to address DRKs, Great Axe wielding WAR, and to a lesser extent, SAM. The parses that have been shown so far post-update have still favored WAR/NIN and MNKs, and the 'would of done more damage' or 'he could of out-done me' comments related to those parses are important in the sense that THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY COULDN'T DO MORE DAMAGE. This is like saying a MNK/WAR could do more damage if they weren't soaking up so much mp that the healer couldn't keep them up anymore.

[aurik]

So instead of making wyverns more resilient to AoE (ie, fixing the real problem), lets just make the game mechanics brokenly favor anyone with a 2handed weapon.

Are you even trying anymore? Seriously, you're bitching for the sake of bitching at this point. Two handed weapons were not fine the way they were and that is a fact. The parses that have been shown so far post-update have still favored WAR/NIN and MNKs, and the 'would of done more damage' or 'he could of out-done me' comments related to those parses are important in the sense that THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY COULDN'T DO MORE DAMAGE. This is like saying a MNK/WAR could do more damage if they weren't soaking up so much mp that the healer couldn't keep them up anymore.

I'm just pointing out where the point alisha is making went whooshing over your head.

[Sekkite]

So instead of making wyverns more resilient to AoE (ie, fixing the real problem), lets just make the game mechanics brokenly favor anyone with a 2handed weapon.

Are you even trying anymore? Seriously, you're bitching for the sake of bitching at this point. Two handed weapons were not fine the way they were and that is a fact. The parses that have been shown so far post-update have still favored WAR/NIN and MNKs, and the 'would of done more damage' or 'he could of out-done me' comments related to those parses are important in the sense that THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY COULDN'T DO MORE DAMAGE. This is like saying a MNK/WAR could do more damage if they weren't soaking up so much mp that the healer couldn't keep them up anymore.

I'm just pointing out where the point alisha is making went whooshing over your head.

I'm lazy and didn't read Alisha's point when I made that post, nor have I read it by the time I've made this response.

[aurik]

So why are you even posting?

[Sekkite]

So why are you even posting?

It's 3 AM and I'm bored and a bit irate about all this bitching going on at the two-handed weapon update where all these claims are made and little to no proof is made to back up said claims, and yet those claims keep being put on the pedestal as to why two-handed weapons should be re-nerfed.

[aurik]

So why are you even posting?

It's 3 AM and I'm bored and a bit irate about all this bitching going on at the two-handed weapon update where all these claims are made and little to no proof is made to back up said claims, and yet those claims keep being put on the pedestal as to why two-handed weapons should be re-nerfed.

Don't read it then.

[Plow]

your missing the point. drg has its amazing wyvern wich it appears most drgs DO NOT embrace as well as jumps that can be double attacked and sneak attacked. my drg is only level 54 and reconized the power of the wyvern before level 10. i dont know much about drk having never played it but they have a fair amount of spells and higher elemental magic than rdm. i actually believe that bluemage is a reimagining of drk. meaninwhile monk has nothing but fists and kicks. chakra is cool but its definately no healing breath and more often than not use use it to clear status effects and not to heal. chi blast is too specialized to be used in an exp pt maybe if i could use tp to charge it instead of just boost. so now drk and drg have those things on top of equal damage potential,maybe even more damage potential in the case of drg due piercing weak mobs and the wyverns DoT.

Did I stumble into alla here?

So instead of making wyverns more resilient to AoE (ie, fixing the real problem), lets just make the game mechanics brokenly favor anyone with a 2handed weapon.

Yeah, that's exactly what he meant. The post was ridiculous, why would you pick an argument based on drk nuking (with II spells that are somehow higher than III spells) and the wyvern to support.

[Plow]

BTW Aurik, show me a parse of a shitty geared 2h job outparsing you (with you actually trying... ) and I'll admit that maybe it should be changed a little bit.

[aurik]

I don't parse a lot (nor do I merit a lot anymore, frankly) but I can tell you that pre-update, well-geared any job was never more than 10% behind. Frankly I find the claim that shivas claws af1 mnk > drk or drg with pimp gears a bit suspect.

Could 2handers have used a bit of a buff? Yea sure. But SE should have fixed the problem the right way (heavily buffing what makes the job special, gently buffing 2h weapons in general), instead of the current poorly-thought out and poorly-tested design.

[Plow]

Yeah that's what I thought.