Will They Fix It?

[Plow]

Maybe now they can make the next expansion be missions that are *REALLY* freaking hard, but level 75 and not in the middle of BFE so that the challenge is in actually winning the fight.


I would very very much like to see a new area that was like sky or sea but absolutely required you to be a top notch player to make it, with no possibility of people getting carried through or whatever.


Also, if it really does turn out that 2h are that much better, one thing that might help and be reasonable would be putting the tp floor back in for dual wield. Would really only affect the 2 classes taking the biggest fall here, thf and nin.

[Coldone]

With regards to the patch in general...BLM, RNG, and BST are the only jobs that don't really benefit from the new 2hand changes. Of those 3, only BLM and RNG really don't have anything to show for it, because quite frankly, the change to BST Exp is huge.

Wait, how has THF and MNK benefitted from the 2 hand change?

[FinalJustice]

it took us twice as long to kill genbu as it did byakko last night... 75 sam came /war and within the first to 2minutes of the fight he did a Gekko for 1200, med, another gekko for 1100ish, then get pwned in the face... Idk what they will do, but capped Overwhelm is just broken now...

But kinda like I asked before, Ive seen Sam/War bust out 1.2k WS' on Faf and Kirin before all of this. But now i see them do like 1.5k or 1.6k. Is that difference really big enough to declare broken?

[Sendra]

it took us twice as long to kill genbu as it did byakko last night... 75 sam came /war and within the first to 2minutes of the fight he did a Gekko for 1200, med, another gekko for 1100ish, then get pwned in the face... Idk what they will do, but capped Overwhelm is just broken now...

But kinda like I asked before, Ive seen Sam/War bust out 1.2k WS' on Faf and Kirin before all of this. But now i see them do like 1.5k or 1.6k. Is that difference really big enough to declare broken?

Theres more to it than just WS damage.

[Khamsin]

With regards to the patch in general...BLM, RNG, and BST are the only jobs that don't really benefit from the new 2hand changes. Of those 3, only BLM and RNG really don't have anything to show for it, because quite frankly, the change to BST Exp is huge.

Wait, how has THF and MNK benefitted from the 2 hand change?

Because if they had to, they could use the wooden GK to increase their damage output. BLM nuke and RNGs shoot, so the 2h update does nothing for them.

[Turambar]

With regards to the patch in general...BLM, RNG, and BST are the only jobs that don't really benefit from the new 2hand changes. Of those 3, only BLM and RNG really don't have anything to show for it, because quite frankly, the change to BST Exp is huge.

Wait, how has THF and MNK benefitted from the 2 hand change?

It helps if you actually read the whole paragraph. I'll help you out and bold the part you skipped before:

Mobs die faster than ever before, so every melee job is getting their merits at the same speed or faster than before. BLM, RNG, and BST are the only jobs that don't really benefit from the new 2hand changes. Of those 3, only BLM and RNG really don't have anything to show for it, because quite frankly, the change to BST Exp is huge.

[FinalJustice]

it took us twice as long to kill genbu as it did byakko last night... 75 sam came /war and within the first to 2minutes of the fight he did a Gekko for 1200, med, another gekko for 1100ish, then get pwned in the face... Idk what they will do, but capped Overwhelm is just broken now...

But kinda like I asked before, Ive seen Sam/War bust out 1.2k WS' on Faf and Kirin before all of this. But now i see them do like 1.5k or 1.6k. Is that difference really big enough to declare broken?

Theres more to it than just WS damage.

So whats the "exact" problem? CAN these 2 handers out parse MNK/NIN/Wars now and do so easily?

[Rafbacca]

With regards to the patch in general...BLM, RNG, and BST are the only jobs that don't really benefit from the new 2hand changes. Of those 3, only BLM and RNG really don't have anything to show for it, because quite frankly, the change to BST Exp is huge.

Wait, how has THF and MNK benefitted from the 2 hand change?

They get to relax in Whitegate?

[Sendra]

So whats the "exact" problem? CAN these 2 handers out parse MNK/NIN/Wars now and do so easily?

Short answer, yes. 2H DDs no longer need to consider using sushi at all, being that DEX and acc are at a 1:1 ratio. STR and atk are as well. There was a change to fTP on certain WS as well (has this been proven/disproven?), which accounts for 2.5k dmg Tachi: Gekkos.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

So whats the "exact" problem? CAN these 2 handers out parse MNK/NIN/Wars now and do so easily?

Short answer, yes. 2H DDs no longer need to consider using sushi at all, being that DEX and acc are at a 1:1 ratio. STR and atk are as well. There was a change to fTP on certain WS as well (has this been proven/disproven?), which accounts for 2.5k dmg Tachi: Gekkos.

Parses plz

Or hell, even an anecdote of somebody actually getting beaten by an AH 2her on a pimped job. I'm still waiting.

[Croaker]

For all we know this has something to do with the new expansion, its only been 1 full day after the patch and people are complaining.

I keep hearing this "only 1 day" stuff as an excuse that we shouldn't be upset.

Only 1 day after Hiroshima, did the japs know they just got fucked or did they have to wait a few more weeks to figure it out?

[Khamsin]

For all we know this has something to do with the new expansion, its only been 1 full day after the patch and people are complaining.

I keep hearing this "only 1 day" stuff as an excuse that we shouldn't be upset.

Only 1 day after Hiroshima, did the japs know they just got fucked or did they have to wait a few more weeks to figure it out?

Some people had to wait years to figure out they, too, were fucked.

[Admo]

Parses plz

Or hell, even an anecdote of somebody actually getting beaten by an AH 2her on a pimped job. I'm still waiting.

Still waiting as well... All I've seen/heard of is screenshots of epeen damage and a Ridill WAR compared to a Gaxe WAR with the same gear and the Ridill still winning.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

For all we know this has something to do with the new expansion, its only been 1 full day after the patch and people are complaining.

I keep hearing this "only 1 day" stuff as an excuse that we shouldn't be upset.

Only 1 day after Hiroshima, did the japs know they just got fucked or did they have to wait a few more weeks to figure it out?

You....can't have just made this analogy...

[FinalJustice]

So whats the "exact" problem? CAN these 2 handers out parse MNK/NIN/Wars now and do so easily?

Short answer, yes. 2H DDs no longer need to consider using sushi at all, being that DEX and acc are at a 1:1 ratio. STR and atk are as well. There was a change to fTP on certain WS as well (has this been proven/disproven?), which accounts for 2.5k dmg Tachi: Gekkos.

Enough speculation, show data
I want to see the data on AH 2 handers beating Ridil and BB mnks and decked out NINs and doing so "easily".

[theo]

For all we know this has something to do with the new expansion, its only been 1 full day after the patch and people are complaining.

I keep hearing this "only 1 day" stuff as an excuse that we shouldn't be upset.

Only 1 day after Hiroshima, did the japs know they just got fucked or did they have to wait a few more weeks to figure it out?

You....can't have just made this analogy...

"What the fuck, did we just get fucking nuked? This is bullshit!"

"Its ok, they'll release a patch next week."

[Tomino]

having neither SAM or MNK.. I can only say this update seems sweet at least. As someone playing with other friends I'm happy to see SAM, DRK and DRG finally putting big numbers and doing what they were meant to do : damage. mseriously, the last few months were an endless repetition of ppl meriting with MNK or levelling it to 75; it needed to be fixed and give 2h users a reason to exist in the game.

WAR, MNK still reign the DoT field (strategically important as usual); WAR being "pure" damage dealer (no pet, no spells, no TP abilities) now owns with both 2H and 2weap. I'm only concerned for THF and BLU to be honest.

[Khamsin]

WAR, MNK still reign the DoT field (strategically important as usual); WAR being "pure" damage dealer (no pet, no spells, no TP abilities) now owns with both 2H and 2weap. I'm only concerned for THF and BLU to be honest.

WARs still have Rampage/Raging Rush.

[Sendra]

So whats the "exact" problem? CAN these 2 handers out parse MNK/NIN/Wars now and do so easily?

Short answer, yes. 2H DDs no longer need to consider using sushi at all, being that DEX and acc are at a 1:1 ratio. STR and atk are as well. There was a change to fTP on certain WS as well (has this been proven/disproven?), which accounts for 2.5k dmg Tachi: Gekkos.

Enough speculation, show data
I want to see the data on AH 2 handers beating Ridil and BB mnks and decked out NINs and doing so "easily".

you serious? Everything I said was a fact excluding the first three words. Apparently your definition of 'easily' differs from mine.

[Don Katsu]

It makes perfect sense that WAR can do more damage with a B+ weapon instead of a A+ even after this update. I know MNK should not be doing massive damage with a Staff either, but I don't recall any FF game where Ninja were tanks.

balance is what people want unfortunately when SE balances they nerf