Parses after the patch

[hexagram23]

the drk/nin has hq equip on the level of worldx, with stage 4 relic(5 soon) so saying someone has gimp gear compared to him is pretty dumb. he sjs nin because he doesnt want to tax the healer(jp mindset)

I never said he had gimp gear. Beckwin's gear is fairly nice, but something is off if a DRK/NIN's average WS damage on ITs is the same as a DRK/WAR's on VTs, even taking into consideration a 4th stage relic. The best gear the JPN DRK/NIN could possibly have (outside of Apocalypse itself) shouldn't be enough to tip the scales in his favor over a DRK/WAR, unless there really is a JPN Button.

[hexagram23]

no

Only....yeah. If you use food they steal it....if I cast magic on them they either cast it back at me or whoever has hate. If you're trying to be clever and say "magic can be casted on them, people Sleep them lolz" technically you're right but the context of the statement is about DRKs....we can't cast on them. So....no.

[Tythera]

Well, since you're bringing the claim he's gimp (I'm on another server but his shit looked more than fine to me, though we don't have a WS shot) do you have any parses with a DRK with a decently higher melee/WS average on birds? I have partied with 0 since the patch so no parses

The higher melee average on trolls than birds makes me believe song/roll differences or something else did it, or that the guy in underscore's parse melee'd in a bunch of ATK/STR gear.

[Beckwin]

Things that messed up my ws avg slightly:

-wasn't spamming souleater, just used it for a few epeen attempts. party was mnk/war sam/war drk/war; didn't feel the need to use up extra mp
-fucking around with gsword
-fucking around with cross reaper
-wivres
-getting dicked by gekko going off before guillotine

Trolls are red curry territory and don't have especially high defense, that pretty much evens out the attack difference. Guy could've been more liberal with souleater, probably wasn't messing with gsword, may have been getting more regular diaII/III, etc. And did he stomp the sam with gear lesser than Ryko's, on mobs he could spam abs-tp on? Bottom line is that SAM got flipped upside down in xp by this patch.

And if my ws average with mithkas on colibri is only slightly higher than a stage 4 drk with a bunch of HQs, I'm really not too upset with that at all.

Have you seen ryko's gear on sam? It's kinda fucking perfect sans relic gkt. And before you wanna try to act like you're some uber drk, show something more worthwhile than some drain screenshots or a SE guillo, because that's really nothing special:http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...birdguillo.jpg

But I'm also doing this:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...moolguillo.jpg
on drk/sam without souleater.

[Priran]

no

Only....yeah. If you use food they steal it....if I cast magic on them they either cast it back at me or whoever has hate. If you're trying to be clever and say "magic can be casted on them, people Sleep them lolz" technically you're right but the context of the statement is about DRKs....we can't cast on them. So....no.

cheapkabobs are like 500 gil apiece, cast when it has hate on someone with shadows/is near death

[hexagram23]

Well, since you're bringing the claim he's gimp (I'm on another server but his shit looked more than fine to me, though we don't have a WS shot) do you have any parses with a DRK with a decently higher melee/WS average on birds? I have partied with 0 since the patch so no parses

The higher melee average on trolls than birds makes me believe song/roll differences or something else did it, or that the guy in underscore's parse melee'd in a bunch of ATK/STR gear.

No because I wouldn't run parse on Birds, DRKs are pretty gimp against them, because we can't use food or cast magic. If I go to that camp I'd honestly rather kill Mamools.

So Beckwin was handicapped right out of the gate. A DRK parsing on Birds is like....I dunno it would be like a melee running a parse on something they have an Attack penalty against. There is no point to it, and outparsing them isn't anything to brag about.

As far as the Songs, etc. Beckwin had Chaos Roll (Attack) and Warrior's Roll (Double Attack Up) plus 2x March. He should've blown the other DRK away, even taking into consideration a full Attack/STR set. Hell, if you're parsing that badly drop some Haste and get some damn Attack/STR.

[Beckwin]

Yeah drk is terrible on birds:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...rkvsridill.jpg

pre-patch drk/sam btw.

[Tythera]

I'm saying since you say his DRK is gimp, show me a better parse of a DRK on birds. Right now you're basically defeating your own argument by saying "it's a gimp camp for DRKs, no wonder he's not parsing up to the one at trolls"

From Underscore's parse it looks like he had COR/maybeBRD too, Underscore care to help us out with rolls/songs sir?

[hexagram23]

Things that messed up my ws avg slightly:

-fucking around with gsword
-fucking around with cross reaper
-wivres
-getting dicked by gekko going off before guillotine

Trolls are red curry territory and don't have especially high defense, that pretty much evens out the attack difference.

And if my ws average with mithkas on colibri is only slightly higher than a stage 4 drk with a bunch of HQs, I'm really not too upset with that at all.

Your average WS on DRK/WAR is the same as a DRK/NIN, and you were fighting weaker mobs. I don't care what equip he has, that doesn't make sense.

Eh, I just installed Windower so I don't have a bunch of shots of random Guillotine damage. Go to a Titan board and ask about Hex though. People know me well, and what I'm capable of.

So....if all these things (not to mention not being able to cast Absorb-TP) conspired against you....why is Ryko acting like he performed so great? I'm not saying he's a terrible SAM or anything like that but I've yet to see anything special about him.

Either you did shitty because of the things you listed, and Ryko won because of that, or you are making excuses for why you performed the way you did. In any case, run another parser on Trolls or Mamools, don't fuck around, and lets see the parser results.

[underscore]

march min fighters chaos
songs werent on as often as i would like but pulling trolls is like decos so i didnt mind

[hexagram23]

Yeah drk is terrible on birds:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...rkvsridill.jpg

pre-patch drk/sam btw.

So let me get this straight.

On DRK/SAM before the update you outparsed a Ridill WAR....but AFTER the update on DRK/WAR you perform worse than a DRK/NIN?

Hmmm....did the Ridill WAR buy his account? Because this makes 0 sense unless the guy was retarded bad at his job.

[Projekt.Ein]

Not to sound like a cunt... but isn't this "logic" that Hexagram is posting one of the reasons why lolDrk came to be?

Man... some people just need to quit Drk altogether, or atleast just listen to people every once in awhile.



Note** Sorry for the bullshit post, but I couldn't help myself, watching this guy slap "lol" infront of Drk again... honestly... who DOESN'T use food on Birds!??! I'd spam Red Curry all day if I was still in an HNM LS...

[Beckwin]

Uh, we came to the consensus that I'd close the gap to within 5% but he'd most likely win out still because simply put SAM is kinda beastly right now. Anytime he double attacks on WS you're looking at around 1900 dmg. The rate at which SAM can crank out WS for that much damage reminds me of my old KC RNG. That being said we'll probably end up xping again sometime soon.

No, it wasn't a very good ridill war. The other guy was a stacked axe/axe war though. And dunno how I really performed worse than a drk/nin that managed a higher melee average than me (when it's been established that my gear isn't gimp by any standards) and on mobs that can be abs-tp'd and you can realistically afford to use food better than mithkas.

I think someone asked earlier, my ws gear is as follows (guillotine):

heca cap, hands, feet
black cuisses
rajas/flame (although I might've still been on snip+1 for that pt, dunno)
brutal/ethereal
warwolf (might've still been on potent)
snow gorget
AM+1

And yeah, totally agreeing with you Ein. Reminds me of the fucking dinosaur drks that were still advocating atk gear over haste 6 months ago.

[hexagram23]

Not to sound like a cunt... but isn't this "logic" that Hexagram is posting one of the reasons why lolDrk came to be?

Man... some people just need to quit Drk altogether, or atleast just listen to people every once in awhile.



Note** Sorry for the bullshit post, but I couldn't help myself, watching this guy slap "lol" infront of Drk again... honestly... who DOESN'T use food on Birds!??! I'd spam Red Curry all day if I was still in an HNM LS...

Yeah, let's blow 60k on food for mobs that steal it. Amazing idea, I think I'll listen to people like you from now on.

Even using Miths, it's retarded to run through a stack just to say you technically CAN use food at that camp. It's your money though, personally I try to avoid that camp. The last time I was there I used 12 Miths and the party was short, that's retarded.

[Beckwin]

Fuck, why have I been responding to a guy that doesn't use food on colibris and think spamming drains is the secret to being an awesome drk?

[hexagram23]

Fuck, why have I been responding to a guy that doesn't use food on colibris and think spamming drains is the secret to being an awesome drk?

Because you get outparsed by DRK/NINs and I don't? Because you get outparsed by SAMs and I don't? There is a few more reasons I can come up with.

You can make jokes if you want to but seriously there is something wrong with your DRK. Maybe you need to listen to the "dinosaurs" and get some Attack/STR.

[Tythera]

In any case, run another parser on Trolls or Mamools, don't fuck around, and lets see the parser results.

You can't be serious. You bring the claim he's gimp and not performing up to some invisible bar, show us the invisible bar at the same camp. Hay guys I'm trying to make a point, you go prove it since I can't, I'll stand here and look awesome. So many times people do this shit on this boards, it drives me nuts. That's not how it fucking works. From his gear/WS gear what could the other guy have that would make him so gimp? Just shout out answers when you think of them.

We also just determined another jump in attack with a minuet instead of a march. The high WS of 2700 vs 1900 makes me think he was using souleater a lot more often than Beckwin was, which I would say is reasonable being /nin.

[Leeto]

last time I exped with you guys on colibri I remember at least one of you mentioning that your food actually wore off. the mobs died fast enough that not all that many snatch morsels got off. either way, you aren't gonna blow 60k on food in a party...you'll blow maybe 16k on a long one. boo hoo

[Beckwin]

Fuck, why have I been responding to a guy that doesn't use food on colibris and think spamming drains is the secret to being an awesome drk?

Because you get outparsed by DRK/NINs and I don't? You can make jokes if you want to but seriously there is something wrong with your DRK. Maybe you need to listen to the "dinosaurs" and get some Attack/STR.

Yeah, atk/str and spamming drain is gonna help me catch up in the #ws department where I was weakest on that parse.

And I lost a heads up parse to a drk/nin? news to me.

[Projekt.Ein]

Fuck, why have I been responding to a guy that doesn't use food on colibris and think spamming drains is the secret to being an awesome drk?

Because you get outparsed by DRK/NINs and I don't? Because you get outparsed by SAMs and I don't? There is a few more reasons I can come up with.

You can make jokes if you want to but seriously there is something wrong with your DRK. Maybe you need to listen to the "dinosaurs" and get some Attack/STR.