Parses after the patch

[Shade]

Not a merit party, but..

Had a DRG SAM BLU MNK RDM PLD PT yesterday at lv62 on Colibri at the Tower.. needless to say, I, the MNK, got murdered by the DRG and beaten by the SAM. :[

My parser showed DRG+Wyvern: 31.61%, SAM: 25.63%, MNK: 22.56%, BLU: 19.13%

If you're counting the wyvern, he's not even beating them by that big a margin. In fact, if I was the DRG, its about what I'd expect to be beating them by, back when I was lv62 (ie. way before the patch, though also before SAM buffs), especially on piercing weak mobs. In pickups it was usually hard to come across other people who were equally geared. That said, I have no idea what kind of stuff any of you guys were wearing, though.

[hexagram23]

That's nice, but beckwin was talking about the likelihood that a 272 skill 2 hander would trounce a 266 skill offhander with one of the rarer weapons in the game. See: Very likely, you don't need the 8 GK merits to stomp around like you own the joint.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5944/parse4yb7.jpg

SAM/WAR, DRK/SAM x2

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8568/parse5ei2.jpg

Then this was just me and beckwin.

We were in a rush to get a session in before dyna so we didnt have much time either way.

I'm seriously convinced Beckwin is just a terrible DRK. Maybe he's a bad ass PLD or some other job, I dunno.

Anytime a SAM's average WS outdamages a DRK's by 300 something is seriously off....anytime a SAM's max WS damage is 1.9k but a DRK's is 1.5k something is off.

People keep talking about "but they boosted SAM's WS!"....ok Guillotine and specifically Cross Reaper do more damage now too. It's not as if DRKs do the same WS damage pre-update and SAM magically does more on average, my attack is around 907, Souleater+Guillotine does 2.3k and takes Trolls from around 40% down to 0....Drain2 the next mob for 375 or so and I'm ready to go.

Oh I forgot Beckwin never uses Drain. Hmm....did he at least use Absorb-TP this time?

This is especially weird to me since every other parser I've seen SAMs aren't really fucking with DRK. Either it's equal or the SAM wins by a slight amount, or the DRK wins by a slight amount.

I will run parses of my own against SAMs and post them, name specific pieces of interest you have so I'm parsing against comparably equipped people. If you have nice SAM gear I assume my HNMLS SAMs have about the same set up but I want to be sure.

[Priran]

Level 50 so it's a good approximation of exactly dick, but I outparsed a WAR with gear way better than mine by almost 50%. Got up to 44% but then I stopped eating food.

Mobs were beetles in Garlaige.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...goodforgk3.jpg


edit: lol the empress was an ulthalam

[Max™]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why SAM is so powerful post patch. The 2 biggest player specific factors (ie not external buffs) for two-hander damage are Hasso and Berserk. Only SAM/WAR and WAR/SAM can use both. DRK and DRG have other perks, but with the boosted pdif cap Berserk is even more insane than it used to be, and with stacked haste in gear and buffs, Hasso is ridiculously powerful.

Between SAM/WAR and WAR/SAM, the biggest difference makers become Overwhelm and a Meditate that's on a shorter time/yields over double the TP. A WAR with focused two-hander merits (Berserk and DA, because who cares about Aggressor with the crazy acc buff on two-handers) will do a lot better than a WAR with Ridill centric merits/gear, although SAM still has pretty serious advantages, would need proper comparison tests at that point.

Its not rocket science people.

Yeah, I've been leaning towards doing 5/5 DA/Zerk now, gotta get my /Drg up though to try it out too, if just because Jump is twice as funny when you're smiting things with a taru.

War/Sam did win out big this update though, especially when you can keep Hasso up fulltime.

[Ryko]

That's nice, but beckwin was talking about the likelihood that a 272 skill 2 hander would trounce a 266 skill offhander with one of the rarer weapons in the game. See: Very likely, you don't need the 8 GK merits to stomp around like you own the joint.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5944/parse4yb7.jpg

SAM/WAR, DRK/SAM x2

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8568/parse5ei2.jpg

Then this was just me and beckwin.

We were in a rush to get a session in before dyna so we didnt have much time either way.

I'm seriously convinced Beckwin is just a terrible DRK. Maybe he's a bad ass PLD or some other job, I dunno.

Anytime a SAM's average WS outdamages a DRK's by 300 something is seriously off....anytime a SAM's max WS damage is 1.9k but a DRK's is 1.5k something is off.

People keep talking about "but they boosted SAM's WS!"....ok Guillotine and specifically Cross Reaper do more damage now too. It's not as if DRKs do the same WS damage pre-update and SAM magically does more on average, my attack is around 907, Souleater+Guillotine does 2.3k and takes Trolls from around 40% down to 0....Drain2 the next mob for 375 or so and I'm ready to go.

Oh I forgot Beckwin never uses Drain. Hmm....did he at least use Absorb-TP this time?

This is especially weird to me since every other parser I've seen SAMs aren't really fucking with DRK. Either it's equal or the SAM wins by a slight amount, or the DRK wins by a slight amount.

I will run parses of my own against SAMs and post them, name specific pieces of interest you have so I'm parsing against comparably equipped people. If you have nice SAM gear I assume my HNMLS SAMs have about the same set up but I want to be sure.

Or you're just in denial. It's ok though, I can go on a crusade to party with every single last well equipped drk on the server if you'd like. All it takes for me to top 1.9k is one double attack, there are plenty of reasons a drk could possibly not top 1600 in a 20 minute parse, the main one being that the mob just didn't have enough life to do more than that.

No job currently is capable of producing more high caliber weapon skills more often than samurai, just get off it. I'm gonna exp with him again (mostly because I want the merits and him and I alone could easily keep a continuous chain going like it's nothing) but you're just being silly now.

and....

Oh I forgot Beckwin never uses Drain. Hmm....did he at least use Absorb-TP this time?

That would be because we rarely were lacking a mob to attack next, he can stand there casting drains like a tard or he can build his TP. I wonder... and yes he cast absorb TP, and I shikikoyo'd him as well.

It's not as if DRKs do the same WS damage pre-update and SAM magically does more on average

Yeah it's not like they altered the fTP on samurai weapon ski--wait...

[Beckwin]

That's nice, but beckwin was talking about the likelihood that a 272 skill 2 hander would trounce a 266 skill offhander with one of the rarer weapons in the game. See: Very likely, you don't need the 8 GK merits to stomp around like you own the joint.

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SAM/WAR, DRK/SAM x2

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Then this was just me and beckwin.

We were in a rush to get a session in before dyna so we didnt have much time either way.

I'm seriously convinced Beckwin is just a terrible DRK. Maybe he's a bad ass PLD or some other job, I dunno.

Anytime a SAM's average WS outdamages a DRK's by 300 something is seriously off....anytime a SAM's max WS damage is 1.9k but a DRK's is 1.5k something is off.

People keep talking about "but they boosted SAM's WS!"....ok Guillotine and specifically Cross Reaper do more damage now too. It's not as if DRKs do the same WS damage pre-update and SAM magically does more on average, my attack is around 907, Souleater+Guillotine does 2.3k and takes Trolls from around 40% down to 0....Drain2 the next mob for 375 or so and I'm ready to go.

Oh I forgot Beckwin never uses Drain. Hmm....did he at least use Absorb-TP this time?

This is especially weird to me since every other parser I've seen SAMs aren't really fucking with DRK. Either it's equal or the SAM wins by a slight amount, or the DRK wins by a slight amount.

I will run parses of my own against SAMs and post them, name specific pieces of interest you have so I'm parsing against comparably equipped people. If you have nice SAM gear I assume my HNMLS SAMs have about the same set up but I want to be sure.

Parser may have missed a few WS between sessions because I remember a few 1700+. But I wasn't spamming SE Guillo nor did I have time to primp for e-peen WS. And I'm not gonna hold tp or fuck over a chain just because I don't want my Guillo dmg to get nerfed on killshot. Oh, and bitch about WS dmg when I was about 130 lower than a Bec de Faucon drk with HQs out the yin-yang (and dunno what food the guy was eating; I was on hedge pie because no curry in stock).

And considering I outparsed a virtually identically geared drk by about 4%, I kind of tend to think I'm doing something right. So show me some amazing parse where you stomp 6 hit/22 haste SAMs with your amazing drain damage, champ.

PS- Guillo didn't get directly buffed and although CReaper did, it's still inferior to Guillo on xp mobs. Gekko/Yuki/Kasha all did get buffed significantly, and btw, his ws avg was never more than 250 higher, not "300 something".

[shieldsofwindurst]

That's nice, but beckwin was talking about the likelihood that a 272 skill 2 hander would trounce a 266 skill offhander with one of the rarer weapons in the game. See: Very likely, you don't need the 8 GK merits to stomp around like you own the joint.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5944/parse4yb7.jpg

SAM/WAR, DRK/SAM x2

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8568/parse5ei2.jpg

Then this was just me and beckwin.

We were in a rush to get a session in before dyna so we didnt have much time either way.

I'm seriously convinced Beckwin is just a terrible DRK. Maybe he's a bad ass PLD or some other job, I dunno.

Anytime a SAM's average WS outdamages a DRK's by 300 something is seriously off....anytime a SAM's max WS damage is 1.9k but a DRK's is 1.5k something is off.

People keep talking about "but they boosted SAM's WS!"....ok Guillotine and specifically Cross Reaper do more damage now too. It's not as if DRKs do the same WS damage pre-update and SAM magically does more on average, my attack is around 907, Souleater+Guillotine does 2.3k and takes Trolls from around 40% down to 0....Drain2 the next mob for 375 or so and I'm ready to go.

Oh I forgot Beckwin never uses Drain. Hmm....did he at least use Absorb-TP this time?

This is especially weird to me since every other parser I've seen SAMs aren't really fucking with DRK. Either it's equal or the SAM wins by a slight amount, or the DRK wins by a slight amount.

I will run parses of my own against SAMs and post them, name specific pieces of interest you have so I'm parsing against comparably equipped people. If you have nice SAM gear I assume my HNMLS SAMs have about the same set up but I want to be sure.

If you're so sure about this, why don't you try:

Step 1 Move to Fairy

Step 2 Merit with Ryko & Beckwin

If you actually win, you get to do this:
Step 3-a Grow the biggest epeen of all time.

However, far more likely this will happen:
Step 3-b Get owned by Ryko (and probably Beckwin too)

In either case however, I encourage you to move as fast as possible to:
Step 4 Shut the fuck up. If the entire endgame ffxi community thinks SAM is the new king, it probably is. If you can prove that it's not, why don't you do like everyone else in this thread and back it up with actual parses, like the thread asks for.

[Khrno]

Dude Hexagram, you are actually bitter against Ryko and Beckwin just because you don't have the items they have or can't put the number either of them do?

Get over it, if you want higher WS average and peak damage go with Spinning Slash and Algol, it will improve greatly the dot thanks to TA and the fire damage.

And if you are that concerned about your parse results, then don't worry about it, Spinning slash will do full damage (at least from the normal hit) even if done at less than 15%, so no low number as it would happen with Guillo, or even Cross Reaper.

Only bad point SS has is Souleater, but then again doing /sam, in my case, i won't abuse of SE as i would do as /nin, but swaping subs to use SE would produce same results as losing all that /sam gives you, so either choice gimps you in the end, unless you have extra healing, which 98% of the times isn't the case.

Get over it and use an Algol to get your average skill damage up.

[Amele]

Level 50 so it's a good approximation of exactly dick, but I outparsed a WAR with gear way better than mine by almost 50%. Got up to 44% but then I stopped eating food.

Mobs were beetles in Garlaige.

[;img]http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1061/whataretheygoodforgk3.jpg[/img]


edit: lol the empress was an ulthalam

his gear isn't way better than yours. you're wielding a ridill at level 50.

if you *didn't* outparse by almost 50% post-update I'd be laughing (I was ahead about that much at 50 pre-update with soboro, the weapon has always been borderline broken 50-60.

[sekaran]

Not a merit party, but..

Had a DRG SAM BLU MNK RDM PLD PT yesterday at lv62 on Colibri at the Tower.. needless to say, I, the MNK, got murdered by the DRG and beaten by the SAM. :[

My parser showed DRG+Wyvern: 31.61%, SAM: 25.63%, MNK: 22.56%, BLU: 19.13%

If you're counting the wyvern, he's not even beating them by that big a margin. In fact, if I was the DRG, its about what I'd expect to be beating them by, back when I was lv62 (ie. way before the patch, though also before SAM buffs), especially on piercing weak mobs. In pickups it was usually hard to come across other people who were equally geared. That said, I have no idea what kind of stuff any of you guys were wearing, though.

Yea, the Wyvern was like 3.5% or so.. My MNK is pretty well equipped. SH+1, Sniper+1, Rajas, Cross-Counters, Fumas, OKote, PCharm, 8H2H merits, and subbing WAR. SAM in Haub, Soboro/Daihanya, Rajas and that new ToAU ring, Pole Strap, Swift Belt/Potent, Fumas, OKote, forget what else. DRG had SH, Black Mezraq, and not sure what else.

Oh well, mobs were dying in seconds literally so thats all that matters to me really just trying to get to 75. At 75 I can take parses more seriously.

[Francisco II]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...2x/parse82.jpg

From top to bottom... MNK/WAR, stray Wyvern (oops @ filters), SAM/WAR, NIN/WAR, BRD, Garuda, WHM, Shiva, SMN

Mobs were Colibri - we really didn't bother much with food.

The only thing broken about SAM right now, is really the sick WS damage they can put out.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

One thing I realized about SAM's parses:

That huge WS damage being 1 hit throws parses off because, if it is the killshot, a large amount of the damage is completely wasted. On the other hand, multihits don't have nearly as much 'wasted' damage shown.

This throws off a parse without actually being a gap.

[Khrno]

One thing I realized about SAM's parses:

That huge WS damage being 1 hit throws parses off because, if it is the killshot, a large amount of the damage is completely wasted. On the other hand, multihits don't have nearly as much 'wasted' damage shown.

This throws off a parse without actually being a gap.

And that's when you Spinning Slash. ;\

[Beckwin]

DRK catches up a bit when fights last a little longer, but fuck if that matters when you're going for xp/hr.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

DRK catches up a bit when fights last a little longer, but fuck if that matters when you're going for xp/hr.

But the 'extra damage' a SAM sees on a parse due to 1 hit ws doesn't matter either for xp/hour.

[Khrno]

DRK catches up a bit when fights last a little longer, but fuck if that matters when you're going for xp/hr.

But the 'extra damage' a SAM sees on a parse due to 1 hit ws doesn't matter either for xp/hour.

Indeed, and it is actually a waste of TP going with less than 10% HP, that's about 400-450 hp, so just one more round of hits.

[Beckwin]

True, but epeen + hot xp/hr is always great. And it's not like SAM being this buff means other jobs can't function or anything, just saying bottom line that SAM is crazy atm.

[The Blackrose]

If you're so sure about this, why don't you try:

Step 1 Move to Fairy

Step 2 Merit with Ryko & Beckwin

If you actually win, you get to do this:
Step 3-a Grow the biggest epeen of all time.

However, far more likely this will happen:
Step 3-b Get owned by Ryko (and probably Beckwin too)

In either case however, I encourage you to move as fast as possible to:
Step 4 Shut the fuck up. If the entire endgame ffxi community thinks SAM is the new king, it probably is. If you can prove that it's not, why don't you do like everyone else in this thread and back it up with actual parses, like the thread asks for.

Are you going to pay the $50 to make this happen (assuming he wants to move off Fairy after all is said and done)?

And it's not like SAM being this buff means other jobs can't function or anything, just saying bottom line that SAM is crazy atm.

Yeah, almost makes you fearful of the eventual nerf bat. But then again, I'd gladly take the hit if it gets some of the pretentious whiners off the KI SAM forums (*cough Pathwriter cough*). At least this thread is producing something worth looking at.

[Beckwin]

Oh shit, the hypocritical forum MNK crybabies are leaking on the SAM forum now? XD XD XD

[The Blackrose]

Oh shit, the hypocritical forum MNK crybabies are leaking on the SAM forum now? XD XD XD

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