Parses after the patch

[ringthree]

Where can I find a working parser?

Personally, my favorite would have to be DvsParse, which you can find on UltimaLS boards.
http://www.ultimals.com/forums/

I thought it was borked after the update? Is it fixed yet?

[fantasticdan]

If a fully merited WAR only outdid an unmerited DRG with no wyvern out by a little bit..doesn't that slap you in the face and tell you something?

A fully merited axe/ridill war/nin that was tanking against mobs weak to piercing. G.axe on /sam is now better than ridill. Also if you're hitting the acc cap, weapon merits only add 16 atk, I don't think that is significant, especially with the huge increase in atk all 2-handers got.

[layoneil]

If a fully merited WAR only outdid an unmerited DRG with no wyvern out by a little bit..doesn't that slap you in the face and tell you something?

it tells me weapon weakness actually means something and using a Damage Increase subjob vs a Damage Mitigation subjob actually means something.

WARs are going to /nin to save MP, they are not going to /nin to win parsers, they should be doing /sam with a Great Axe if they want to win parsers now (and the ultimate WAR build finally includes their relic weapon). can't have both at the same time anymore which i don't see as a bad thing.

if the new equilibrium is that the main tank isn't the highest DD, that sounds perfectly fine to me.

and yes the Dex:Acc thing is broken, take that away blah blah blah.

[HadesBothari]

If a fully merited WAR only outdid an unmerited DRG with no wyvern out by a little bit..doesn't that slap you in the face and tell you something?

Ya because, A fully merited and geared WAR should outdo a fully geared DRG (with 16 less atk) against mobs the DRG gets a bonus against right? hypocrite much?

[GSDragoon]

If a fully merited WAR only outdid an unmerited DRG with no wyvern out by a little bit..doesn't that slap you in the face and tell you something?

it tells me weapon weakness actually means something and using a Damage Increase subjob vs a Damage Mitigation subjob actually means something.

WARs are going to /nin to save MP, they are not going to /nin to win parsers, they should be doing /sam with a Great Axe if they want to win parsers now (and the ultimate WAR build finally includes their relic weapon). can't have both at the same time anymore which i don't see as a bad thing.

if the new equilibrium is that the main tank isn't the highest DD, that sounds perfectly fine to me.

and yes the Dex:Acc thing is broken, take that away blah blah blah.

Suppose a better question would be: On an average war/nin (no ridill and has to be subbing ninja for whatever reason), is GA or dual axes going to be better now?

[Ryko]

Just war/sam and drop the mob in 4 seconds, hell keep hasso and zerk up the whole time. Mob cant attack if it's dead.

[NynJa]

If a fully merited WAR only outdid an unmerited DRG with no wyvern out by a little bit..doesn't that slap you in the face and tell you something?

A fully merited axe/ridill war/nin that was tanking against mobs weak to piercing. G.axe on /sam is now better than ridill. Also if you're hitting the acc cap, weapon merits only add 16 atk, I don't think that is significant, especially with the huge increase in atk all 2-handers got.

And yet that extra ~15 acc they would get from those 6 merits could be some extra STR/Attack or Haste in other slots.
could be dusk gloves instead of homam gloves
could be lolassaultjerkin instead of homam body

[layoneil]

Suppose a better question would be: On an average war/nin (no ridill and has to be subbing ninja for whatever reason), is GA or dual axes going to be better now?

theoretically, it should end up favoring Dual Wield slightly unless there are merits involved.

none of the screenshots/parses you see out there are DRK/NINs, SAM/NINs or DRG/NINs either.

[HadesBothari]

Obviously you don't get it.. I went to GC camp with 0 pure Acc gear w/o a bard and I broke Acc cap (96.8%). You really think 15 more accuracy is going to matter? heck the DRG in that parse was getting a free useless madrigal too.

[Septimus]

If a fully merited WAR only outdid an unmerited DRG with no wyvern out by a little bit..doesn't that slap you in the face and tell you something?

Ya because, A fully merited and geared WAR should outdo a fully geared DRG (with 16 less atk) against mobs the DRG gets a bonus against right? hypocrite much?

A fully merited, nearly completely decked out anything should beat out an unmerited, well geared something.

[GSDragoon]

If a fully merited WAR only outdid an unmerited DRG with no wyvern out by a little bit..doesn't that slap you in the face and tell you something?

A fully merited axe/ridill war/nin that was tanking against mobs weak to piercing. G.axe on /sam is now better than ridill. Also if you're hitting the acc cap, weapon merits only add 16 atk, I don't think that is significant, especially with the huge increase in atk all 2-handers got.

And yet that extra ~15 acc they would get from those 6 merits could be some extra STR/Attack or Haste in other slots.
could be dusk gloves instead of homam gloves
could be lolassaultjerkin instead of homam body

I'm tempted to change my #1 homam wishlist item from body to legs for the haste. Had to bust out the Assault jerkin from storage yesterday.

[Beckwin]

1. Piercing Bonus
2. Tanking

All things considered, there isn't really anything that indicates DRK and DRG are too buff. The DRK and DRG don't have slouch gear and the DRG is in a very favorable camp for damage.

[HadesBothari]

A fully merited, nearly completely decked out anything should beat out an unmerited, well geared something.

OOOOORRRRR

nearly completely decked out anything that has a 12% inate damage bonus should beat A fully merited, nearly completely decked out something .

There fixed

And in case you don't know much about drg (and I'm pretty dam sure you don't) that drg had 4/4 critical merits.

So, a DRG/WAR (and he was drg/war) with no defensive abilities and having the best possible gear for the job (short of 1 peice) shouldn't be doing more damage than a WAR/NIN that's tanking because the WAR/NIN has 16 more attack?

[NynJa]

Obviously you don't get it.. I went to GC camp with 0 pure Acc gear w/o a bard and I broke Acc cap (96.8%). You really think 15 more accuracy is going to matter? heck the DRG in that parse was getting a free useless madrigal too.

The point I was making was that the accuracy gear he WOULD gain from that 16 polearm skill would make room for MORE haste and MORE STR/Attack, on those item slots that DO use accuracy.


And I dont believe the bolded statement one bit. I know these changes were broken, but you're exaggerating completely.

[Ryko]

Obviously you don't get it.. I went to GC camp with 0 pure Acc gear w/o a bard and I broke Acc cap (96.8%). You really think 15 more accuracy is going to matter? heck the DRG in that parse was getting a free useless madrigal too.

The point I was making was that the accuracy gear he WOULD gain from that 16 polearm skill would make room for MORE haste and MORE STR/Attack, on those item slots that DO use accuracy.


And I dont believe the bolded statement one bit. I know these changes were broken, but you're exaggerating completely.

I don't doubt it, I was hitting the same last night with +23 acc and +25 Dex with no madrigals at all and the only reason I had said items on is that most of it was my haste gear. 1 Madrigal? Could easily take off the +acc with no problems.

[Beckwin]

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[Ryko]

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I wasn't complaining about it (though I still think it's kinda silly), I was saying that his claim wasn't exactly far fetched.

[HadesBothari]

I have the parse.. will post when i get home. As for gear, this is what i used.

Head: Walahra (Had Homam didn't use)
Neck: Love/Shadow(WS)
Ear: Brutal/Assault
Body: Assault/Heca(WS)
Hands: Dusk/Heca(WS)
Ring: Ruby(yes full time)/Raja
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Swift/Warwolf
Legs: Homam/Barone
Feet: Homam/Heca

The point I was making was that the accuracy gear he WOULD gain from that 16 polearm skill would make room for MORE haste and MORE STR/Attack, on those item slots that DO use accuracy.

Not really. He had speed belt and Dusk hands. The only pieces of gear that he could have replaced 4 acc with 2 haste or 5 atk. Accuracy for a 2h is a non-issue on current mobs. An absolute non-issue. Sea farming on aerns I broke cap with meat.

[underscore]

working parser : http://www.lildevilproductions.net/news.php

i posted in one of the other threads but it got lost i guess

ok so here's a pt on colibri
from left to right its DRK/nin SAM/war ME(war/nin)
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1301/eqiupjt4.jpg

the pt is DRK SAM WAR(this is the order from top to bottom) BRDx2 RDM for the next 3 parses i'm going to post, i was first voking in each instance
i was using sushi with 2 swird because songs were marchx2/minx2, i have like a 30 battle parse of me using meat and my acc was like 70%, i switched to meat when i switched to gaxe
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3...rridjoypb5.jpg
here's when i switched to bravura, notice how low my dmg is when i'm using a /nin 8hit build
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/473...bravurabr9.jpg
this happened when the brd fell and had to run back, we were getting only 2xmarch, i was still using bravura
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5...oynobrded1.jpg

The sam was using a 7hit build but it didn't really matter because he held tp long enough to get overwhelm like 90% of the time.The drk was as close to an AH-2her as i could find(he had ebody but his other gear choice sucked so it balanced out) and as you can see, your typical AH 2her wont beat a high-tier 1her (mnks, ridillwars, mandauthfs). Also notice the huge difference between gaxe with 2minuet and gaxe with no 2 minuet, while sam stayed closer to form.



i also had a set of 3 parses with fortaxe vs soboro vs rune chopper, fort axe vs hagun vs rune chopper, and bravura vs hagun vs rune chopper, but i only have the last set of it because i overwrote the first two.

this is a different group, but the sam from this and the other one were similarly geared/merited
for this parse:the 3 melees were war/sam(rune chopper), war/nin(bravura), and sam/war(hagun)
the cor was using war roll and sam roll, so i had a 6-hit build with /nin and regular meat, while sam occasionally had a 5hit build
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7...dwarsamee7.jpg
notice how 6hit-build with gaxe put me on top of the sam

[NynJa]

I have the parse.. will post when i get home. As for gear, this is what i used.

Head: Walahra (Had Homam didn't use)
Neck: Love/Shadow(WS)
Ear: Brutal/Assault
Body: Assault/Heca(WS)
Hands: Dusk/Heca(WS)
Ring: Ruby(yes full time)/Raja
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Swift/Warwolf
Legs: Homam/Barone
Feet: Homam/Heca

The point I was making was that the accuracy gear he WOULD gain from that 16 polearm skill would make room for MORE haste and MORE STR/Attack, on those item slots that DO use accuracy.

Not really. He had speed belt and Dusk hands. The only pieces of gear that he could have replaced 4 acc with 2 haste or 5 atk. Accuracy for a 2h is a non-issue on current mobs. An absolute non-issue. Sea farming on aerns I broke cap with meat.

from what you listed:
DEX+10
Polearm+7
Acc+16
grand total of +31 acc, also goons now have a second acc bonus trait, which is equivalent to acc+22 I believe.



something still seems off though. My thief/nin has +63 acc in gear, 292 dagger skill, and 85 total dex (base+mods) before food, and I dont get anywhere near capped accuracy on colibri. Last colibri parse i got (back in june lol) was 85.86% acc, my gear hasnt changed since. So I've got 389 acc (63+200+(92*.92)+42) and I'm parsing 85.86% acc. I'm going to assume his drg is unmerited on polearm skill (276+7), he's got around 65 base dex (confirmed base to be 65 from another hume drg/war), and he's got his 2 acc traits, so in total he's got 388 acc (16+22+200+(82*.92)+75) , yet he's parsing OVER the accuracy cap.


Did I fuck up some calculation somewhere, because THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.