Parses after the patch

[dawdr]

something still seems off though. My thief/nin has +63 acc in gear, 292 dagger skill, and 85 total dex (base+mods) before food, and I dont get anywhere near capped accuracy on colibri. Last colibri parse i got (back in june lol) was 85.86% acc, my gear hasnt changed since. So I've got 389 acc (63+200+(92*.92)+42) and I'm parsing 85.86% acc. I'm going to assume his drg is unmerited on polearm skill (276+7), he's got around 65 base dex (confirmed base to be 65 from another hume drg/war), and he's got his 2 acc traits, so in total he's got 388 acc (16+22+200+(82*.92)+75) , yet he's parsing OVER the accuracy cap.


Did I fuck up some calculation somewhere, because THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

Chiming in here. I can hit +75 acc on my thief, with 8/8 dagger merits and I don't cap on colibri either (around 90% if I remember right). Perhaps they've changed the level penalty for 2 hand weapons as well?

[Amele]

I have the parse.. will post when i get home. As for gear, this is what i used.

Head: Walahra (Had Homam didn't use)
Neck: Love/Shadow(WS)
Ear: Brutal/Assault
Body: Assault/Heca(WS)
Hands: Dusk/Heca(WS)
Ring: Ruby(yes full time)/Raja
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Swift/Warwolf
Legs: Homam/Barone
Feet: Homam/Heca

The point I was making was that the accuracy gear he WOULD gain from that 16 polearm skill would make room for MORE haste and MORE STR/Attack, on those item slots that DO use accuracy.

Not really. He had speed belt and Dusk hands. The only pieces of gear that he could have replaced 4 acc with 2 haste or 5 atk. Accuracy for a 2h is a non-issue on current mobs. An absolute non-issue. Sea farming on aerns I broke cap with meat.

from what you listed:
DEX+10
Polearm+7
Acc+16
grand total of +31 acc, also goons now have a second acc bonus trait, which is equivalent to acc+22 I believe.



something still seems off though. My thief/nin has +63 acc in gear, 292 dagger skill, and 85 total dex (base+mods) before food, and I dont get anywhere near capped accuracy on colibri. Last colibri parse i got (back in june lol) was 85.86% acc, my gear hasnt changed since. So I've got 389 acc (63+200+(92*.92)+42) and I'm parsing 85.86% acc. I'm going to assume his drg is unmerited on polearm skill (276+7), he's got around 65 base dex (confirmed base to be 65 from another hume drg/war), and he's got his 2 acc traits, so in total he's got 388 acc (16+22+200+(82*.92)+75) , yet he's parsing OVER the accuracy cap.


Did I fuck up some calculation somewhere, because THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

65(dex)+10(dex)+200+82*0.92+38 = 388 accuracy yeah. that's 90.0% expected hit rate vs level 81 colibri; vs. level 82 that's.. 85.5%

that's all pre-madrigal of course. throw a madrigal on and 420 accuracy *should* parse 95%+ hit rate based on nagamaki's tests and the numbers listed for GC evasion on the wiki.

[HadesBothari]

Base = 200 + (83 x .92) + 65 + 22 = 362
Gear = 15 (Homam Body) + 7 (Ace's Helm) + 4 (Assault Earring + Tiphia Sting) + 5 (Acc ring) + 9 (Homam legs + feet) + 10 (dex)

362 + 50 = 412 = 389 + 23 = 85 + 11%?
All this .. before songs.

[RKenshin]

You know, after looking at those two parses I really don't think there is that much to change. Honestly if you just get rid of the 1 DEX = 1 Acc thing it should be perfect. In both parses we were dealing with high end equipped 2h DDs and a high end equipped WAR/NIN, and they were all pretty close. If you were to get rid of the inert full-time Sushi effect 2h users were given in this update things should be balanced.

And probably need some readjustments on that level correction formula for HNMs as well. And I still think the damage cap should be removed for 1h weapons.

[Nagamaki]

How did Walarha Turban, Assault Jerkin and Ruby Ring turn into Ace's Helm, Homam Corazza and Sniper's/Woodsman between you posting your gear and you now posting your acc?

And Tiphia too since ammo wasn't even listed, but then looks like your Swift Belt fell off too.

A : I have capped acc with this +16 in gear!
B : No you don't.
A : Yes I do, see I have capped acc with +40 in gear!

16 == 40, that's AWESOME!

[HadesBothari]

Naga, you're a cool guy and all.. but you didnt read.. ; ;

I'm going to assume his drg is unmerited on polearm skill (276+7)

The OP's parse is what we were discussing and I was explaining.

I have full merited Polearm.

A : OP had capped Acc without songs or merits (in his best non pure acc gear)!
B : No He didn't.
A : Yes He did with his gear, heck I have capped acc with my gear!
B : I tried to calculate OP's Acc and its a bit off, am i missing something.
A : You're missing his Acc gear that doubles as his haste gear.
C :

[Nagamaki]

So why was Nynja calculating accuracy using your gear but the OP's unmeritted skill? Little confused there.

The whole thing started with a statement that PLM merits wouldn't allow someone to ditch pieces of pure acc gear, you can't use the fact that your meritted skill is. If his gear and 283 skill adds up to 96% effective acc, then with 299 skill he could take off Corazza with no impact on accuracy whatsoever, or replace other things, effectively improving other stats while losing absolutely no accuracy.

And yes madrigal is useless for 2handers in 90% of situations now, so madrigal being in effect in a parse comparing two-handers with one-handers gives the one-hander a major advantage since they gain the full effect of madrigal while the two-hander gaisn nothing.

[NynJa]

I went to GC camp with 0 pure Acc gear w/o a bard and I broke Acc cap (96.8%).

Base = 200 + (83 x .92) + 65 + 22 = 362
Gear = 15 (Homam Body) + 7 (Ace's Helm) + 4 (Assault Earring + Tiphia Sting) + 5 (Acc ring) + 9 (Homam legs + feet) + 10 (dex)

DOUBLE YOU DOUBLE YOU DOUBLE YOU

[HadesBothari]

So why was Nynja calculating accuracy using your gear but the OP's unmeritted skill? Little confused there.

Because he's confused? I didn't say I had no merits. my statement was

I went to GC camp with 0 pure Acc gear w/o a bard and I broke Acc cap (96.8%).

And since Nynja's not the smartest cookie in the jar,

DOUBLE YOU DOUBLE YOU DOUBLE YOU

Base = 200 + (99 x .92) + 65 + 22 = 378
Gear = 4 (Assault Earring + Tiphia Sting) + 3 (AJ) + 4 (Swift) + 9 (Homam) + 10 (dex)
378 + 30 = 408 = 388 + 20 = 85 + 10 = Cap.

then with 299 skill he could take off Corazza with no impact on accuracy whatsoever, or replace other things, effectively improving other stats while losing absolutely no accuracy.

Question.. would you replace Byakko hidate if you had too much accuracy? (hint: the only reason for a 3.3k penta on a fly is a triple attack)

[Judai]

then with 299 skill he could take off Corazza with no impact on accuracy whatsoever, or replace other things, effectively improving other stats while losing absolutely no accuracy.

Question.. would you replace Byakko hidate if you had too much accuracy? (hint: the only reason for a 3.3k penta on a fly is a triple attack)

Haidate has 15DEX toward crits and 5%haste, bad comparison. Corazza is pure Acc and a meh Triple Attack addition.

[HadesBothari]

You're kidding right?

Haidate has 15DEX toward crits and 5%haste, bad comparison. Corazza is pure Acc and a meh Tiple Attack.

2.5% triple attack. When a triple attacked weaponskill can add 1k dmg, then I'd think it outdoes 5% haste.

[moguri]

You're kidding right?

Haidate has 15DEX toward crits and 5%haste, bad comparison. Corazza is pure Acc and a meh Tiple Attack.

2.5% triple attack. When a triple attacked weaponskill can add 1k dmg, then I'd think it outdoes 5% haste.

You're retarded and a bad player.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

You're kidding right?

Haidate has 15DEX toward crits and 5%haste, bad comparison. Corazza is pure Acc and a meh Tiple Attack.

2.5% triple attack. When a triple attacked weaponskill can add 1k dmg, then I'd think it outdoes 5% haste.

Uh no. 2.5% triple attack is just not consistent enough to be worth keeping on full time. It occasionally gives you big numbers but seriously, overall it just doesn't add much. Not near as much as 5% haste.

So just shut up and learn how to do averages

[HadesBothari]

but ofcourse

So tell me GURUS of BG who obviously know sooo much more, What's better than 2.5% triple attack on a body piece for a dragoon that's eating meat and getting double min (short of ares body)?

[NynJa]

You're kidding right?

Haidate has 15DEX toward crits and 5%haste, bad comparison. Corazza is pure Acc and a meh Tiple Attack.

2.5% triple attack. When a triple attacked weaponskill can add 1k dmg, then I'd think it outdoes 5% haste.

wow...2.5% triple attack. That means on average it will proc in one of every 40 WS's...

But others have allready stated how much of a retard you are, but yer right, "I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar".

[Ryko]

Skoffins at Mamool Ja camp, only got the last 20 minutes or so since timestamp fucked the parse up, WHM DCed for about 6 minutes but we kept chaining, and I died on the second to last mob too and my % dropped by 2% practically immediately and went to the WAR who was previously under 20% at one point.

Setup was COR (Red), BRD, WHM, Unmerited SAM with modest gear (Orange), Merited WAR/NIN using Fort Axe and moderate haste gear (not on his shoes but hands head belt legs) (he did open with voke but I did most of the "tanking" if you can even call it that since the mobs died in like 4 seconds) (Blue) and My SAM. Songs were double march, rolls were WAR and DRK.

Over the course of the full 90 minutes I cracked over 1900 damage no less than easily 15 times and my record was actually 2214 on a mamool ja mimer.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5601/parseer5.jpg

Obfuscates and some undispeled wind walls (*argh*) fucked with my acc just a bit.

For the record my gear:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1695/ilostwutwe6.jpghttp://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8785/wsbuildyc8.jpg

(The reason the ranged items are differerent is that the TP gear screen was taken monday night)

Unmerited SAM's gear (TP and WS):
Hagun
No grip
No ranged
No ammo
Ace's Helm
Chiv chain
Spike Earring
Ethereal earring
NQ Haub
Saotome Kote
Rajas Ring
Ulthalam's Ring
Cerb Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Shura Haidate
Askar Gambieras

Gonna go again tonight with the same SAM and a WAR/NIN with rid/ebody for better context.

[Amele]

but ofcourse

So tell me GURUS of BG who obviously know sooo much more, What's better than 2.5% triple attack on a body piece for a dragoon that's eating meat and getting double min (short of ares body)?

here

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

but ofcourse

So tell me GURUS of BG who obviously know sooo much more, What's better than 2.5% triple attack on a body piece for a dragoon that's eating meat and getting double min (short of ares body)?

here

o hi http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/9030

[Ryko]

but ofcourse

So tell me GURUS of BG who obviously know sooo much more, What's better than 2.5% triple attack on a body piece for a dragoon that's eating meat and getting double min (short of ares body)?

here

o hi http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/9030

Double attack and store TP are infinitely better atm than 7 STR and some atk you wont notice.

[Amele]

he did technically say: "short of ares's body" but ryko is right I think.