Current Known Issues (Aug. 30)

[RKenshin]

You're using extremes as bad as the rest of these people, ruke.
DRG's unique qualities should be improved, no one was saying they're fine the way they are and Penance and SB mean shit on most things. The rest of that is fluff that isn't even relevant to the topic at hand.

That was the point of the post, to use retarded extremes to prove a point on how retarded other people's extremes have been. And I wasn't addressing you or Aurik in that post, but some of the other posts I've been reading from noobie and even some veteran accounts here are just ridiculous (in this thread and other threads here/on KI over the last 2-3 days).

Man I can't believe how much so many people's IQ has dropped after this update.

I'd think of all people, you'd be able to read and digest what I've been saying, but your post is just a whoosh of epic size.

People are pointing out DRG's abilities like Jump/High Jump/Healing Breath as if they're some amazing god-send that got them PTs (before the patch).

Not what we've been saying.
[quote:90b5f]Meanwhile MNKs are saying that all of their abilities and JAs are nothing special and they never had any roll outside of merit PTs (so all 75 MNKs never did anything other than exp?).

Not what we've been saying.

And fuck someone slap the next person that suggests a gimpy AH DRG/DRK/SAM can bury a decked out MNK or Rid WAR.

Not what we've been saying.

Let me know when you respond to the stuff I've actually been saying.[/quote:90b5f]
How about I let you know when I'm actually addressing something you said instead?

None of my points in that post were meant to address the points you or LD have been saying, it was a general "I'm going to vent and hope I don't see anyone post this shit anymore" post addressing all of the little shitty points I've read between this thread, other threads, and other boards (by people who post here) making horrible points like mentioned in that post. That's why I wasn't quoting anyone in particular, the only part of the post I was addressing one person was at the end about the DD hierarchy.

Again, none of it was addressing you or LD specifically so don't take it like it did. Although I thought my tone was obvious to suggest it wasn't.

[aurik]

Look at the parses that are trickling in with agonizingly slow speed.
The only good parse so far has Samurai at 35% stronger without taking advantage of buffed up dex-acc ratio or buffed weaponskills.

Oh come on now, sighting a 100% equipped/merited relic SAM as proof of measuring anything in the grand scheme of 2h weapons vs other people now is just ridiculous.

And I do benefit from the WS enhancement, where has everyone been? In the WS equation thread it was said that Gekko/Yuki/Kasha all follow basically the same exact modifiers as before, and the primary increase in WS damage has come from the changes to the 2h weapon enhancements and new PDIF/etc. The same exact fact follows for Kaiten.

It makes perfect sense as well. I would average ~1k with Kaiten before patch, and now I average ~1.5k. Decked out SAMs would average ~800 with GYK before patch and now they average about 1200-1300 after. Both WS got about a 50% increase and both are still about evenly spaced out.

And anyone with the best possible gear they could have + max merits + a 2h relic could hit the accuracy cap consistantly before hand. Even without relic it was possible to get close. So you're not going to see any different results from them as well.

There's a reason I'm dealing with percentages: so that we can take your experience and apply it to the general population. Notice I'm not saying "45% better than a ridill war", I'm saying "35% better than pre-patch".

GYK fTP was changed, wasn't it? You were primarily taking advantage of the pdif cap slide and level correction change to maintain a 2.5 pdif average, but a non-relic SAM would have both those two factors and higher fTP on their WS.

[aurik]

You're using extremes as bad as the rest of these people, ruke.
DRG's unique qualities should be improved, no one was saying they're fine the way they are and Penance and SB mean shit on most things. The rest of that is fluff that isn't even relevant to the topic at hand.

That was the point of the post, to use retarded extremes to prove a point on other people's retarded extremes. And I wasn't addressing you or Aurik in that post, but some of the other posts I've been reading from noobie accounts that are just ridiculous (in this thread and other threads here/on KI over the last 2-3 days).

Man I can't believe how much so many people's IQ has dropped after this update.

I'd think of all people, you'd be able to read and digest what I've been saying, but your post is just a whoosh of epic size.

People are pointing out DRG's abilities like Jump/High Jump/Healing Breath as if they're some amazing god-send that got them PTs (before the patch).

Not what we've been saying.
[quote:56355]Meanwhile MNKs are saying that all of their abilities and JAs are nothing special and they never had any roll outside of merit PTs (so all 75 MNKs never did anything other than exp?).

Not what we've been saying.
[quote:56355]And fuck someone slap the next person that suggests a gimpy AH DRG/DRK/SAM can bury a decked out MNK or Rid WAR.

Not what we've been saying.

Let me know when you respond to the stuff I've actually been saying.[/quote:56355]
How about I let you know when I'm actually addressing something you said instead?

None of my points in that post were meant to address the points you or LD have been saying, it was a general "I'm going to vent and hope I don't see anyone post this shit anymore" post addressing all of the little shitty points I've read between this thread, other threads, and other boards (by people who post here) making horrible points like mentioned in that post.

Again, none of it was addressing you or LD specifically so don't take it like it did. Although I thought my tone was obvious to suggest it wasn't.[/quote:56355]

Well then I agree with you, people posting those extremes aren't really credible.

[Vedder]

This patch didn't fix shit... it changed shit.

The disparity you cite just got replaced by another one.

Really? really? Do you seriously believe you'll start seeing Monks begging Samurais for parties?

Do you really imagine that right now there is a party of RDM, BRD, War, Sam, Drg that is staring at a /sea of MNK, MNK, BST, MNK and thinking "God, if only a Dragoon would pop, we need a DD!"

Nope... I don't think that, nor did I say it. Good job on the mind-reading.

MNKs will be fine... THFs & RNGs, well it's possible that will be a different story.

[alphacat]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

[Intense]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

Cool, no one cares.

[RKenshin]

There's a reason I'm dealing with percentages: so that we can take your experience and apply it to the general population. Notice I'm not saying "45% better than a ridill war", I'm saying "35% better than pre-patch".

GYK fTP was changed, wasn't it? You were primarily taking advantage of the pdif cap slide and level correction change to maintain a 2.5 pdif average, but a non-relic SAM would have both those two factors and higher fTP on their WS.

I don't have time to reread the thread but last I read it was the same fTP as before... Or at least the same fTP for 200%/300% I think.

In any case though Kaiten is still the better WS between them (as it was before) so it's not like I wouldn't gain from using one of those WS instead. And a 50% increase in Kaiten's damage isn't anything to shrug off as 'untouched' anyway IMO, even if they didn't directly modify it like for YGK.

[aurik]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

News flash, that hasn't changed, but enjoy your spongeburns.

[alphacat]

Pretty much ANYONE who puts together a merit PT cares? Do you ever put together a party, or are you one of those people who just seeks and hopes someone does the work for you?

[Arthars]

not sure if its posted, doing mission while posting.

From JP POL site:
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kinda mean damage limit of 2 handed is calculated incorrectly.

may be too high? or too low? we'll see

more clearer information than NA site for sure

[alphacat]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

News flash, that hasn't changed, but enjoy your spongeburns.

Somehow you think mnk and war are the only jobs that can sub nin. That's news to me. Also, what is seigan or high jump? Hmm....

[Nameless]

With all the Sam talk, I am starting to wonder what they did to Cross Reaper. fTP increase?

[Intense]

Pretty much ANYONE who puts together a merit PT cares? Do you ever put together a party, or are you one of those people who just seeks and hopes someone does the work for you?

I party with friends as do I'm sure about 95% of the people here.

[divisortheory]

Question: Why the fuck are people still complaining about 2H weapons when the first page of this thread says they're going to adjust the formula soon?

[Tajin]

I party with friends as do I'm sure about 95% of the people here.

Which kind of makes all the bitching, kind of a moot point

[Seraph]

If you played any other FF games this would never be the case. Typically DRK is always always always at the top of the damage world, along with jobs like SAM, DRG, RNG, and MNK on about equal footing next to/behind it. WAR is rarely ever at the top as they're the 'little bit of everything' job that doesn't necessarily excel past other jobs in any particular roll, just like RDM is never at the top of the white magic or black magic world (but are for enfeebling).

My point is everyone focuses on JUST DoT and WS damage. Noone mentions JAs and other ways of playing jobs. When was the last time you seriously saw a WAR or MNK tank something besides LBC? I figured it could be a balance of certain jobs sacrificing a little DoT to be able to do other stuff, like cure, or stun.

Needless to say, alot of people are butthurt over alot of things, and I feel it is unnecessary. Complain after the fix is applied. Complaining now, after the problem has already been recognized, is pointless....

[Amele]

just for the record, pre update y/g/k was 1.5 2.0 2.5 (so hagun hit on 2.0)

post update y/g/k is 1.75 2.0 2.5 (so hagun .. still hits on 2.0)

the boost to 100TP ws is only on non-hagun weapons and is not, generally speaking, enough to change which one hits a bigger weaponskill. (it is however, enough to close the gap sufficiently that dot between weaponskills might actually factor into your decision on which weapon to use, which is part of why onimaru (and ushikirimaru) are surging in popularity.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

News flash, that hasn't changed, but enjoy your spongeburns.

Actually, in most people's eyes the 2hers weren't good enough and 1hers were. Now they know the 1hers are good enough and the 2hers are too. So yes, it has changed.

[Intense]

I party with friends as do I'm sure about 95% of the people here.

Which kind of makes all the bitching, kind of a moot point

I think its the very idea of being insulted by less-than-optimal folks being able to match top equipped peoples numbers and exp/per hour. I thought this point was obvious?

[Attila]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

News flash, that hasn't changed, but enjoy your spongeburns.

See, saying that makes it sound like you're offended by drgs and drks getting parties.

not sure if its posted, doing mission while posting.

From JP POL site:
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kinda mean damage limit of 2 handed is calculated incorrectly.

may be too high? or too low? we'll see

more clearer information than NA site for sure

yeah it was.