Current Known Issues (Aug. 30)

[Kael]

Question: Why the fuck are people still complaining about 2H weapons when the first page of this thread says they're going to adjust the formula soon?

Because the WAR/NINs and MNKs got their egos hurt. They need some time to vent.

[Intense]

Question: Why the fuck are people still complaining about 2H weapons when the first page of this thread says they're going to adjust the formula soon?

Because the WAR/NINs and MNKs got their egos hurt. They need some time to vent.

I'm a THF and Im bummed out too.

[RKenshin]

My point is everyone focuses on JUST DoT and WS damage. Noone mentions JAs and other ways of playing jobs. When was the last time you seriously saw a WAR or MNK tank something besides LBC? I figured it could be a balance of certain jobs sacrificing a little DoT to be able to do other stuff, like cure, or stun.

Actually WARs and MNKs do a lot of tanking, and not just at LBC. Dynamis/Limbus/Kirin/Triggers/Einherjar/Fafnir for some LS/Cerberus/lolHydra/etc. I could go on but I think the point is made, WARs and MNKs typically end up tanking just about everything that isn't so hard it needs a PLD/NIN/RDM tank, which is basically limited to Wyrms, some HNM kings, and Khimarai now.

[aurik]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

News flash, that hasn't changed, but enjoy your spongeburns.

Actually, in most people's eyes the 2hers weren't good enough and 1hers were. Now they know the 1hers are good enough and the 2hers are too. So yes, it has changed.

The point being pre-patch he could have invited 2hers aplenty and done just as well, maybe within 1-3k/hr on a 20k/hr party. Definitely below the "who cares" threshold. Assuming you are inviting non-gimps, the limiting factor in merit speed is how good your bard is.

Of course, pre-patch, moron pickup leaders would take the peti/af1 war over a homam drg. But really, is that a problem with 2hers or a problem with moron pickup leaders?

[Seraph]

Man I can't believe how much so many people's IQ has dropped after this update.

People are pointing out DRG's abilities like Jump/High Jump/Healing Breath as if they're some amazing god-send that got them PTs (before the patch). Meanwhile MNKs are saying that all of their abilities and JAs are nothing special and they never had any roll outside of merit PTs (so all 75 MNKs never did anything other than exp?). Could you imagine how hilarious it would be if someone tried to say all this crap before the patch? Every person would be laughed at.

"Hey I'm a DRG, invite me, because I can High Jump/Super Jump every 2-5m to lose hate and help save MP with Healing Breath!!" Because those were always the reasons they were invited to a PT right?

"Hey I'm a MNK, I have Focus/Chakra/Counterstance/Dodge and refuse to use any of them in a merit PT or any other situation because I believe they're not helpful or unique to my job." I'd boot the MNK that refused to use those abilities, so accept the fact already it IS part of your job and it IS unique to performing your roll.

And fuck someone slap the next person that suggests a gimpy AH DRG/DRK/SAM can bury a decked out MNK or Rid WAR. It is incredibly obvious by recent results that it is not the case at all, and if you believe otherwise then you need to go and find out for yourself or stop whining until more results are posted. Thus far, as the parse thread as suggested, it's not anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be.

And I don't know what kind of players people exp with but I had little trouble going MNK/WAR to the right exp PTs, as did a lot of people according to a recent thread on the topic. So why did that suddenly change? Especially considering the fact that mobs will die a lot faster than before since everyone is buffed up, which is the only real problem about /WAR (dealing with long fights).

In my mind, MNK and WARs should be at the top of the damage world. Mind you, not by the insane amount they were before, but at least a decent amount...

If you played any other FF games this would never be the case. Typically DRK is always always always at the top of the damage world, along with jobs like SAM, DRG, RNG, and MNK on about equal footing next to/behind it. WAR is rarely ever at the top as they're the 'little bit of everything' job that doesn't necessarily excel past other jobs in any particular roll, just like RDM is never at the top of the white magic or black magic world (but are for enfeebling).

Man, I can't put it any better than you. Anyone saying Mnk should be top melee doesn't know what mnk can do outside of the DD. To be able to tank LCB the best is something that no Sam, Drk, Drg or even War can do. For the single example of that, Mnk shouldn't be the best melee.

Wait wait wait, I'm not even a MNK, but that seems like a loaded statement. "He can do one specific thing I can't do, he shouldn't be top DD!" Then who should be? I think the point kinda becomes moot at this point.

...but I return to my previous statement. It seems that everyone keeps comming back to damage. It doesn't matter what you can do, it's all about damage. Let's just take all the unique things away from every DD, give them only one weapon each with the same stats as every other DD, and call it Final Fantasy Fairness. People would still complain because his armor is shinier than mine. Goodness grief Charlie Brown.

[aurik]

My point is everyone focuses on JUST DoT and WS damage. Noone mentions JAs and other ways of playing jobs. When was the last time you seriously saw a WAR or MNK tank something besides LBC? I figured it could be a balance of certain jobs sacrificing a little DoT to be able to do other stuff, like cure, or stun.

Actually WARs and MNKs do a lot of tanking, and not just at LBC. Dynamis/Limbus/Kirin/Triggers/Einherjar/Fafnir for some LS/Cerberus/lolHydra/etc. I could go on but I think the point is made, WARs and MNKs typically end up tanking just about everything that isn't so hard it needs a PLD/NIN/RDM tank, which is basically limited to Wyrms, some HNM kings, and Khimarai now.

Against meleeable mobs, anyone who does a lot of damage ends up doing some of the tanking. It's just easier to hit that point as MNK and WAR. And I'd argue that should be the case for MNK, and WAR...well...SE just can't figure out how to buff other melees without buffing WAR :-/ lol

[kuronosan]

Really? I can't name enough times where I asked to merit or asked people to merit and I got the same response every time:

"I only join burn pts for merits".

Now I get an invite quickly almost as soon as I log in. Whether or not the damage formula is changed totally, I can't say that I feel sorry for NINs, MNKs, and WARs considering NOTHING about their damage has changed in merit parties OR on HNMs for that matter.

[Tajin]

I think its the very idea of being insulted by less-than-optimal folks being able to match top equipped peoples numbers and exp/per hour. I thought this point was obvious?

If 95% of people here plays only with friends, why the fuck you care about the other 5% ?

Chatfilters are there for a reason.


P.S. i understand what you are saying though.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Again, as a mage, I like how I can invite pretty much any melee job to merit, and not just war/mnk/nin. Thank you very much.

News flash, that hasn't changed, but enjoy your spongeburns.

Actually, in most people's eyes the 2hers weren't good enough and 1hers were. Now they know the 1hers are good enough and the 2hers are too. So yes, it has changed.

The point being pre-patch he could have invited 2hers aplenty and done just as well, maybe within 1-3k/hr on a 20k/hr party. Definitely below the "who cares" threshold. Assuming you are inviting non-gimps, the limiting factor in merit speed is how good your bard is.

Of course, pre-patch, moron pickup leaders would take the peti/af1 war over a homam drg. But really, is that a problem with 2hers or a problem with moron pickup leaders?

Perception is everything, what people perceive (or think they perceive) is what they think is real. This patch changed the perceptions and thus changed the reality of the game.

[aurik]

Really? I can't name enough times where I asked to merit or asked people to merit and I got the same response every time:

"I only join burn pts for merits".

Now I get an invite quickly almost as soon as I log in. Whether or not the damage formula is changed totally, I can't say that I feel sorry for NINs, MNKs, and WARs considering NOTHING about their damage has changed in merit parties OR on HNMs for that matter.

But you did pretty solid damage pre-patch, and I'm sure you would have outdamaged plenty of the retarded gits they ended up inviting. The problem was of perception more than anything else, and turning the game on its head to correct that perception is assbackwards.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Really? I can't name enough times where I asked to merit or asked people to merit and I got the same response every time:

"I only join burn pts for merits".

Now I get an invite quickly almost as soon as I log in. Whether or not the damage formula is changed totally, I can't say that I feel sorry for NINs, MNKs, and WARs considering NOTHING about their damage has changed in merit parties OR on HNMs for that matter.

But you did pretty solid damage pre-patch, and I'm sure you would have outdamaged plenty of the retarded gits they ended up inviting. The problem was of perception more than anything else, and turning the game on its head to correct that perception is assbackwards.

You may consider it ass backwards but the perception problem was fixed. The patch fixed the problem. You just aren't at the top of the heap anymore.

[ringthree]

Question: Why the fuck are people still complaining about 2H weapons when the first page of this thread says they're going to adjust the formula soon?

Because Aurik is still upset that he didn't have two day of merit point dominance. This thread was fine before he posted and started his ranting again.

[Vedder]

Question: Why the fuck are people still complaining about 2H weapons when the first page of this thread says they're going to adjust the formula soon?

Because Aurik is still upset that he didn't have two day of merit point dominance. This thread was fine before he posted and started his ranting again.

You either have a problem reading or a crush on Aurik... I can't figure out which. 8)

[ringthree]

Question: Why the fuck are people still complaining about 2H weapons when the first page of this thread says they're going to adjust the formula soon?

Because Aurik is still upset that he didn't have two day of merit point dominance. This thread was fine before he posted and started his ranting again.

You either have a problem reading or a crush on Aurik... I can't figure out which. 8)

Algorithms make me all melty inside.

[Intense]

I think its the very idea of being insulted by less-than-optimal folks being able to match top equipped peoples numbers and exp/per hour. I thought this point was obvious?

If 95% of people here plays only with friends, why the fuck you care about the other 5% ?

Chatfilters are there for a reason.


P.S. i understand what you are saying though.

If you understand, then youll understand that chatfilters wont filter out idiots running around in sub-par gear camping you and actually giving you a run for your money, wheras before you were able to muscle them out.

[Arkanna]

Of course, pre-patch, moron pickup leaders would take the peti/af1 war over a homam drg. But really, is that a problem with 2hers or a problem with moron pickup leaders?

This is a very valid point. There's a 75 WAR on my server who, up until recently, melee'd and WS'd in THIS. Now she melee's and WS's in THIS. Yet, everytime I checked pre-patch, the fool was in Bhaflau Thickets spamming her 100-damage Rampages. Certainly even a NQ DRG could do better, but she was always chosen first.

Probably does the same fuckin thing now, except her 100-damage Rampages turned into 1500-damage Raging Rushes.

[Intense]

Really? I can't name enough times where I asked to merit or asked people to merit and I got the same response every time:

"I only join burn pts for merits".

Now I get an invite quickly almost as soon as I log in. Whether or not the damage formula is changed totally, I can't say that I feel sorry for NINs, MNKs, and WARs considering NOTHING about their damage has changed in merit parties OR on HNMs for that matter.

But you did pretty solid damage pre-patch, and I'm sure you would have outdamaged plenty of the retarded gits they ended up inviting. The problem was of perception more than anything else, and turning the game on its head to correct that perception is assbackwards.

You may consider it ass backwards but the perception problem was fixed. The patch fixed the problem. You just aren't at the top of the heap anymore.

The patch fixed one problem but created another. Im of the impression that patches and fixes were to improve things, not create a whole new slew of other problems?

I may be silly for thinking that though.

EDIT: When I reread this after posting, the whole realization that this was an error on SE's part and will be changed sunk in. But still!

[Attila]

Really? I can't name enough times where I asked to merit or asked people to merit and I got the same response every time:

"I only join burn pts for merits".

Now I get an invite quickly almost as soon as I log in. Whether or not the damage formula is changed totally, I can't say that I feel sorry for NINs, MNKs, and WARs considering NOTHING about their damage has changed in merit parties OR on HNMs for that matter.

But you did pretty solid damage pre-patch, and I'm sure you would have outdamaged plenty of the retarded gits they ended up inviting. The problem was of perception more than anything else, and turning the game on its head to correct that perception is assbackwards.

Did you have another suggestion of how to do it? Perception is one of the hardest things to fix. Hell, there were still people that lol'd DRK b/c it was SO inaccurate, same with DRG. Fact of the matter is, when this get's fixed, the end result will be probably how it should have been all along, and there will be a lot butthurt people on one side, and a lot of hypocritcal asses on the other.

There's no reason why a DRGs damage shouldn't be comparable with other DD.

Question: Why the fuck are people still complaining about 2H weapons when the first page of this thread says they're going to adjust the formula soon?

Because Aurik is still upset that he didn't have two day of merit point dominance. This thread was fine before he posted and started his ranting again.

What a constructive comment.

[Ddong]

damn someone buy aurik a tub for his leaky vagina

[Tajin]

If you understand, then youll understand that chatfilters wont filter out idiots running around in sub-par gear camping you and actually giving you a run for your money, wheras before you were able to muscle them out.

Idiots still will wipe to a soulflayer (this was prepatch tho), with the zone line in their backs, because they are too stubborn (read: stupid) and want to chew more than they can bite, where a single BLU and a RDM55 will get the same chain5 on imps.

Maybe SE just needs to put LV81. Colibries in every zone 8)

I would find fun trying to out claim sub-par gear idiots , not like it is too hard to do :-"