Current Known Issues (Aug. 30)

[Don Katsu]

I would like to see Great Axe WAR HNM DD tanking made more common/viable and DRK be the top DD like all other FF

[alphacat]

It's only temporary because the full impact of the patch hasn't sunk in, yet. In time, ridill WARs and BB MNKs will take the old place of DRGs in people's minds. They'll be neglected, and in the event that a ridill WAR or BB MNK does get an invite, they'll be asked if they can use g.axe or staff. For the most part, they won't be invited unless the party is getting impatient and haven't been able to find any SAMs, DRKs, or DRGs in the past 30 minutes.

This is probably the DUMBEST argument in this entire thread. Do you see a lot of BB mnk, Ridill wars sitting around waiting for invite? NO. This update simply means other jobs gets a chance at getting invited as well. Now, instead of waiting for a BB mnk to pop when people form parties, they will just invite a 2H job that would normally be left seeking all day.

Oh, and unless you can produce some parse result of ridill war/bb mnk vs. sucky sam/drg, stfu. People need to stop using Ruk's parse and think it's the norm.

[Vedder]

It's only temporary because the full impact of the patch hasn't sunk in, yet. In time, ridill WARs and BB MNKs will take the old place of DRGs in people's minds. They'll be neglected, and in the event that a ridill WAR or BB MNK does get an invite, they'll be asked if they can use g.axe or staff. For the most part, they won't be invited unless the party is getting impatient and haven't been able to find any SAMs, DRKs, or DRGs in the past 30 minutes.

This is probably the DUMBEST argument in this entire thread. Do you see a lot of BB mnk, Ridill wars sitting around waiting for invite? NO. This update simply means other jobs gets a chance at getting invited as well. Now, instead of waiting for a BB mnk to pop when people form parties, they will just invite a 2H job that would normally be left seeking all day.

Oh, and unless you can produce some parse result of ridill war/bb mnk vs. sucky sam/drg, stfu. People need to stop using Ruk's parse and think it's the norm.

Can I whoosh him or does someone else want to?

Keep reading the thread, yo... I think you'll find Khamsin was being sarcamatastic.

[LD]

No, that's how I view YOU. Most of that would make some fucking sense if the thing you responded to wasn't "2H will be even now and that's all anyone really wanted."

You threw this shit at me and you're trying to make me look like the bad guy.
I've been on the internet long enough to know when some asshole is just going to chant bullshit ad nauseam. Make no mistake, I'm not directing this at Dragoons, Samurai, or Dark Knights, but people like you, the twats among them. You bitch and whine and when something isn't going your way and repeat the same thing over and over no matter how stupid it is, just so long as it SEEMS like you have a point. You don't.

I am my own fucking person and I know what comes out of my mouth. I have said nothing that complains about my damage. In this thread, I have only suggested that DRG didn't need pure damage to be made better. Even in the past, I have only ever wanted your job improved. You can even check the direct discussion board, which has been locked for 2 months, I had suggestions then. You can only attack one person when you respond to them so don't you dare back out by saying "I was talking about other MNKs." I don't say totally off the wall shit, I actually try to explain things to you. I am fucking bulletproof here and some pissant nub DRG who grew a pair just because he thinks MNKs have no right to see an imbalance, whether MNK lags behind or not, isn't going to tell me my rights or thoughts when odds are he's just as bitter as he's saying I am.

The only people I've been arguing with are the people who think they need to be exactly like a MNK to get a spot. They're welcome to their opinion, but I'm allowed to show them there are other ways to do things.

I'm not unhappy because of my damage. I'm disturbed because the people who benefitted the most from it are saying "Fuck you MNK" when Ridill WARs are just as deserving of your scorn. The same people who say "well, we got fucked over for 3 years, so should you" when someone say not having to worry about acc is unfair. A complete lack of humility when MNK has recognized their greater power so perfectly, we KNOW the best we can hope for is a set of crappy JSE. You say we're arrogant, why? Because we know how powerful we are? You say we're complaining because we see a problem. Yea, it bothered me, but what bothered me much more is wave after wave of asshole telling me I had it coming and I was complaining over nothing when even those most entrenched with the idea of 2H superiority admitted the DEX:Acc thing was extreme.

So cut your shit before me. I was an arrogant, self-assured asshole before FFXI and I'll be one after.
I will not allow lesser people to twist my words.

[Kaylia]

Someone who was trying to pimp DRG last year was stupid

saying this is acceptable is stupid.

just like someone who is trying to pimp WAR atm is stupid.

you think an Ares/Adaberk Bravura WAR can't compete under the current system?

SE waited so long to fix 2h dmg that it's not fair for people who invested their time and energy trying to be the "best" only to see all their effort go to waste.

there's no statute of limitations on fixing what's broke in an MMO. people who play only to be nothing but the "best" is stupid.

What use did you have for DRG last year? None...that's why it was stupid to level it and gears it properly in the first place. Never said it was ok that way, but no one wasted their time leveling a "gimp" job when there was better. People on the other hand spent a lot of time gearing "pimp" job only to have their effort go to waste

A bravura war/sam could put decent number for sure. I'm just saying that for the same effort and money, he could probably do better with samurai in overall. Maybe not, I don't know, I'm still in the process of testing 2h weapon on every jobs. Either way, it was just an example and I meant it as war/nin with axe setup. Relic is kinda out of range for most people.

You don't seem to understand my point anyway. I'm not saying no fix should have been done, I'm saying it should have been done slower, and make sure a walmart sam doesn't beat a well geared mnk or vice-versa. I'm glad with the change, and hope the fix will be minor, but I don't think it should have been done that way. They just recreated the same problem, but the other way around this time.

[Zilong]

I would like to see Great Axe WAR HNM DD tanking made more common/viable and DRK be the top DD like all other FF

What all other FF?

FF1: Fighter/Monk/Thief are the only melee DD in the game, closest thing to a dark knight is Ninja upgrade from thief...which are melee with secondary black mage skills. IIRC, Black Belt owns the shit out of everything in that game.
FF2: On the new DS version, Onion Knights > everything, on the old version, Black Belt is one of the best class.
FF3: haven't played it
FF4: Cecil is a fucking DD PLD
FF5: Haven't really played it
FF6: Dual Wielder + Offering > everything else
FF7: Summoner/Mime...I guess if you count cloud as a DRK, omnislash is pretty high damage...
FF8: Zell spamming Punch Rush/Booya or whatever those 2 mini combos during a duel > everything else
FF9: Zidane spamming maxed thievery, or Freya spamming Dragon Crest > everything else
FF10: Anyone with maxed sphere spamming quick hits > everything, Tidus'/Wakka's Overdrive yield the highest spike damage with high stats. No DRK here
FF11: uhhh...right
FF12: haven't played it
FFT: no PC Dark Knights that actually stay in your party...unless you count Orlandu

If anything, Monks have been the stronger melee type over the history of the franchise.

[Starr]

Haven't even had chance to use DRG or Gaxe WAR on anything yet and it may be being nerfed

[fantasticdan]

Coincidentally, drg was mediocre in all past FF games. Even the original drg in FF4 did less damage than cecil who could cure and shit as well, the only thing he was good at was jumping over megaflare.

[Sagacious Sundi]

FF5: Haven't really played it

Doesn't have DRK IIRC. I don't think anything even remotely related to it, except maybe sorcerer, which is closer to RDM in FFXI.

[Max™]

Haven't even had chance to use DRG or Gaxe WAR on anything yet and it may be being nerfed

>.>

It's being fixed.

We were killing Imps, since we had a Drk pulling with a Crossbow (and were still killing ourselves out of chains >.<) they would often get to camp with a good amount of TP, and nearly immediately Amnesia us.

They still got beat straight the fuck down fast enough for the Drk to pick their nose, realise the mob died, run around a bit and find another imp and drag it back to camp for chain.

[Zilong]

Coincidentally, drg was mediocre in all past FF games. Even the original drg in FF4 did less damage than cecil who could cure and shit as well, the only thing he was good at was jumping over megaflare.

DRG are really good on FFT though, since it has retarded attack range.

Basically if they're at lower than 50 CT and within the attack range of DRG, odds are they're about to fucking die horribly.

On FF6, the combination of dragon boot and dragon orb isn't too bad, but genji/offering is just retardedly better.

FF7 has cid...which isn't too bad of DRG I guess

FF9 has freya, which is the stronger DD if you max her dragon crest.

So on some FF, DRG are pretty decent DD, if anything else, them being strong would be more relevant than DRK being strong.

[fantasticdan]

In FFT lancer was crap compared to orlandu/ramza/beowulf, maybe it was ok compared to just the normal job classes thou. I'm pretty sure jump was suceptable to blade grasp as well, so meh.

Frog drop in FFIX did the same thing as dragon's crest, except it was easier to skill up, gained at a lower level, and cost less mp, on top of quina having like, other useful abilities. Later on in the game thou, everything starts to cap out at 9999 damage like FFVIII, so dragon's crest and freya become crap from what I can remember.

[Highlulu]

yep, i leveled it to tank pt's for someone and started loving it, however just because my nin is no longer better than drk's drg's and sam's i'm not freaking ou

It wasn't a DD question, I was just wondering if you took your own advice and leveled it while it was a better tank than your paladin was.

whoosh, that wasn't my advice, that was auriks words about how dare drg's drk's and sam's bitch about not being good in merit pts, just level a damn merit job or something of the like, i'm just saying if that was the excuse he gave to the less fortunate jobs of the time it just sounds like it's time for him to eat his words and do the same, if that's the way he REALLY feels about the game.

[Zilong]

In FFT lancer was crap compared to orlandu/ramza/beowulf, maybe it was ok compared to just the normal job classes thou. I'm pretty sure jump was suceptable to blade grasp as well, so meh.

Frog drop in FFIX did the same thing as dragon's crest, except it was easier to skill up, gained at a lower level, and cost less mp, on top of quina having like, other useful abilities. Later on in the game thou, everything starts to cap out at 9999 damage like FFVIII, so dragon's crest and freya become crap from what I can remember.

Well, as far as generic jobclass are concerned, lancer in FFT are probably the top tiers.

As for FF9...I never really get into maxing Frog Drop...the minigame pissed me off and I didn't use quina much...but yeah, by the end of FFIX, alot of melee move can cap 9999. Thievery or Frog Drop being the most MP efficient, Dragon Crest being the midground, and Shock being the highest MP ability.

[Ryko]

yep, i leveled it to tank pt's for someone and started loving it, however just because my nin is no longer better than drk's drg's and sam's i'm not freaking ou

It wasn't a DD question, I was just wondering if you took your own advice and leveled it while it was a better tank than your paladin was.

whoosh, that wasn't my advice, that was auriks words about how dare drg's drk's and sam's bitch about not being good in merit pts, just level a damn merit job or something of the like, i'm just saying if that was the excuse he gave to the less fortunate jobs of the time it just sounds like it's time for him to eat his words and do the same, if that's the way he REALLY feels about the game.

Whoosh, you attempted to throw it "back" in his face, I was just wondering if you subscribed to it if you were going to play the rubber glue game.

[Dark Vincent]

Well, as far as generic jobclass are concerned, lancer in FFT are probably the top tiers.

No way dude. Knight dual-wielding Excaliburs was much more insane, thanks to Excalibur's innate Haste property :3 Monks too. Lancers were good, specially if they had Samurai's two-hand weapon support ability, but dual-wielding Excalibur Knights and Monks far exceeded them to the point there was no point in bringing them to parties (I did use a bunch of obnoxious job combos for fun, regardless)

But then again, FFT was pretty bad with balance if you invested enough time on your characters to deck 'em up (I'm not taking the "special jobs" into account). Still my favorite FF though.

And now that I read what I just wrote.... it sounds awfully familiar. :/

[Highlulu]

yep, i leveled it to tank pt's for someone and started loving it, however just because my nin is no longer better than drk's drg's and sam's i'm not freaking ou

It wasn't a DD question, I was just wondering if you took your own advice and leveled it while it was a better tank than your paladin was.

whoosh, that wasn't my advice, that was auriks words about how dare drg's drk's and sam's bitch about not being good in merit pts, just level a damn merit job or something of the like, i'm just saying if that was the excuse he gave to the less fortunate jobs of the time it just sounds like it's time for him to eat his words and do the same, if that's the way he REALLY feels about the game.

Whoosh, you attempted to throw it "back" in his face, I was just wondering if you subscribed to it if you were going to play the rubber glue game.

not really, i was mainly giving his argument in a sentence so people could see just how retarded it was, i just replaced the jobs a bit. while i have tried to look at what job i could level that would most benefit my friends/ls i ussually pick between 2 or 3 that i wouldn't mind playing.

but i think that just because someone doesn't pick the "best" job that they should still be participating in the rest of the game. and that simply wasn't the case before this update. i HOPE se uses these kinds of updates more in the future and as such throws harder mobs at us in WoG

[Zilong]

Well, as far as generic jobclass are concerned, lancer in FFT are probably the top tiers.

No way dude. Knight dual-wielding Excaliburs was much more insane, thanks to Excalibur's innate Haste property :3 Monks too. Lancers were good, specially if they had Samurai's two-hand weapon support ability, but dual-wielding Excalibur Knights and Monks far exceeded them to the point there was no point in bringing them to parties (I did use a bunch of obnoxious job combos for fun, regardless)

But then again, FFT was pretty bad with balance if you invested enough time on your characters to deck 'em up (I'm not taking the "special jobs" into account). Still my favorite FF though.

And now that I read what I just wrote.... it sounds awfully familiar. :/

I forgot how broken dual wielding knight sword in FFT was.

And it's Chaos/Excalibur

[Elmer the Pointy]

Harle/Valorwaker ;_;

nevar 4get

(off to farm Cure V scrolls)

T_T

HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME? I'VE MADE MY MISTAKES, LIFE GOES ONN

Obviously u 2 idiots can't read or else you'd realize that Harle/Valorwaker robots only hurt the game. It was a crutch for shitty PUPs who couldnt Howling Fist there way out of Paris Hilton's vagina. I work my ass off day in nd day out to be a lolPUP. I did Assaults for my Padawan Khazakstan. I loged 79 hours in Den of Rancor getting Optical Hat. I put my heart into getting my lolPUP to be it and now SE takes out the lol.. ok wtf

In my day u had to merit just for Aero III. And now Square wants to add all these spells and skills of PUP by making them "good." Sure it can use a slight boost for AH PUPs in Shiva Claws who blow ass, but this fast casting BUG (yea thats right it's a bug get over ittt) is just going too far THey said themsefl PUP ISN"T A SOLO JOB LOOK

1up: In the recent years of FFXI, many people have thought to consider functions. Is PUP a viable class for extrapolating these endeavors?

Sage Sundi: wut?

It happened in Tokyo, okay??!

Now maybe u want proff b/c ur tooo lazy so Just look at these parsesziz

http://www.cactusleaftl.com/ffxipics/prepatch.jpg

http://www.cactusleaftl.com/ffxipics/postpatch.jpg

Im pretty sure that's definitive proof that I don like what happened to the game. I swear PUP used to mean something but now without the lol... I don't know it's like Square should hire me but too late I'm going to quit once I draft my 5-page resignation thread and post it across 27 forums.

btw, lern2read/spell/post/play/soro/farm/likballz

[Ryko]

K fine I lol'd

Edit: But not that much