Current Known Issues (Aug. 30)

[sbkujata]

I went through 12 pages of bitching and 100 people posting "woosh" and I never discovered what was "fixed" with this patch today.

No, the patch wasn't today because SE hasn't stated when they'll fix the "Current Known Issues", the post for Aug. 30th was just to inform everyone that they are aware of the "bugs" and that they'll be fixing them in the near future.

[Remyo]

I went through 12 pages of bitching and 100 people posting "woosh" and I never discovered what was "fixed" with this patch today.

No, the patch wasn't today because SE hasn't stated when they'll fix the "Current Known Issues", the post for Aug. 30th was just to inform everyone that they are aware of the "bugs" and that they'll be fixing them in the near future.

thanks.

[ringthree]

in another time I would've figured you just bought your account

wut?

orz

=D> omg you so owned me lolololol

orz

[skurlover]

in another time I would've figured you just bought your account

wut?

orz

=D> omg you so owned me lolololol

orz

Stop upping your post count by replying with stupid statements.

[ringthree]

[quote=skurlover]

in another time I would've figured you just bought your account

wut?

orz

=D> omg you so owned me lolololol

orz

Stop upping your post count by replying with stupid statements.[/quote:a8af6]

Go read the blog.

[Ashira]

/watches cumulative Odin IQ plummet

[ringthree]

/watches cumulative Odin IQ plummet

Go write your blog.

[Koyangi]

Well, as far as generic jobclass are concerned, lancer in FFT are probably the top tiers.

No way dude. Knight dual-wielding Excaliburs was much more insane, thanks to Excalibur's innate Haste property :3 Monks too. Lancers were good, specially if they had Samurai's two-hand weapon support ability, but dual-wielding Excalibur Knights and Monks far exceeded them to the point there was no point in bringing them to parties (I did use a bunch of obnoxious job combos for fun, regardless)

But then again, FFT was pretty bad with balance if you invested enough time on your characters to deck 'em up (I'm not taking the "special jobs" into account). Still my favorite FF though.

And now that I read what I just wrote.... it sounds awfully familiar. :/

I forgot how broken dual wielding knight sword in FFT was.

And it's Chaos/Excalibur

auto haste and add effect stone on 2nd blade if you dont kill in 2 shots was so nice, I'd do Ramza as Squire/Ninja and own the board. Excal 1st swing Chaos Blade 2nd.

[Beckwin]

I really wanna do another replay of FFT now.

[evilpaul]

The ending still makes no sense to me.

I'll see what I have left to finish on the GBA one though while I'm lfp on Monk tomorrow.

[Akanei]

Just off the record, I love this update because I can exp without thinking "Why am I meriting on my DRG, when I can just go on MNK?"

\:D/

Go go job shelf except for Salvage and /nin tanking.

[Fridell]

So funny most of us knew this fix would come since its obviously far from correct.
When i told my LS they will fix it, all SAMs and DRGs said nope because this is what SE intended, too bad i won, like always.

[Don Katsu]

Soboro Sukehiro: If I was getting 650-1200 Tachi Gekko on Trolls and they are adjusting the upper calculation. Doesn't this mean I can still get over 650? Or am I completely off

[Amele]

So funny most of us knew this fix would come since its obviously far from correct.
When i told my LS they will fix it, all SAMs and DRGs said nope because this is what SE intended, too bad i won, like always.

I wouldn't be saying that until you see *how* they fix it.

all they've said is it's wrong (and it is! crit at 3.0 = 3.0 is silly and shouldn't be right) but for all any of us know, that means SE is putting it to 4.0 crits.

I think they'll drop it down a little, say 2.5-3.5. but if they dial 1h back up to 2.4 then don't be at all surprised to see 2h's stay at 3.0/3.5 or 3.0/4.0

[Don Katsu]

I think they have made it pretty obvious that they want 2 handed weapons to outdamage one handed weapons.

[isladar]

I think they have made it pretty obvious that they want 2 handed weapons to outdamage one handed weapons.

Have they? I think SE has shown a remarkable lack of foresight with regards to how we the playerbase end up leveling. SE may devise the math, but its players that figure out how to apply that to our best advantage, often in ways that have been "not what was intended".

[kuronosan]

I think they have made it pretty obvious that they want 2 handed weapons to outdamage one handed weapons.

Have they? I think SE has shown a remarkable lack of foresight with regards to how we the playerbase end up leveling. SE may devise the math, but its players that figure out how to apply that to our best advantage, often in ways that have been "not what was intended".

Again - I think what they are doing is keeping the same damage formula but upping the limit on the pDIF calculation so that it's harder to hit that limit. I'd still expect to see a minimum of 600-700 damage on those weaponskills from Soboro... but I wouldn't expect to see much more than that too often unless you have a lot of gear.

Isladar is pretty much spot on. SE intended for 2-handed weapons to be doing a large amount of damage. I think what they didn't intend is for it to do so much so often. Don't laugh at 2h users just yet.

[Talisien]

The only people I've been arguing with are the people who think they need to be exactly like a MNK to get a spot. They're welcome to their opinion, but I'm allowed to show them there are other ways to do things.

You say we're arrogant, why? Because we know how powerful we are?

So cut your shit before me. I was an arrogant, self-assured asshole before FFXI and I'll be one after.
I will not allow lesser people to twist my words.

Just to wrap the DRG thing up as I see it.

Jump & High Jump recast cut in half.
Healing Breath auto-Activation on Melee sub Wyvern at 25% HP.

There, you made you more powerful and gave you a unique support ability.
Mazel Tov.

This has gotten a little unwieldly but .... I'm at work. For the next 7 hours. Doing nothing. flame on!!

Haha no seriously, I just wanted to respond because I'm insulted you think I'm putting words in your mouth. Your solutions to balancing (your words now) "how powerful we [Monks] are" is to cut the Jump recast timers and make the Wyvern better.

Everyone else is trying to let you know, no one cares about that. Your ideas are fine, and hell, they might even work, but SE doesn't care, and neither does anyone else as a result. Instead Damage Dealing melee jobs were balanced on Damage, and to the shock and surprise of no one, the best Damage Dealing melee jobs are pissed (this is the Long live the King, the King is dead reference).

So anyways, stop saying I'm twisting your words because your argument from the beginning of the thread has been that damage doesn't need to be a Dragoon's primary concern, and its THAT logic that kept one of my friends from playing his lolDRG for 2 years. He just reactivated his account yesterday after the changes, not because he's now the best damage dealer, but because he. can. play. his Dragoon. in. a. party.

I just don't think I can be any clearer unfortunately:

No one cares about Monk's (and War/Nin of course) damage UNLESS it is so utterly broken in meripo that Monk and War/nin are the only jobs invited by the other "best" jobs (Rdm, Brd, Cor).

If you have a problem with the role of Monk in a party post-patch, I have some advice for you. Go LFG in Whitegate, and see how long you wait for a meripo invite. That should remove any identity crisis you're currently suffering under.

But if your problem is that you simply aren't the best of the best anymore, well....get over it. THAT is called balance, no best of, simply separate but equal damage dealing jobs.

[ringthree]

So funny most of us knew this fix would come since its obviously far from correct.
When i told my LS they will fix it, all SAMs and DRGs said nope because this is what SE intended, too bad i won, like always.

I wouldn't be saying that until you see *how* they fix it.

all they've said is it's wrong (and it is! crit at 3.0 = 3.0 is silly and shouldn't be right) but for all any of us know, that means SE is putting it to 4.0 crits.

I think they'll drop it down a little, say 2.5-3.5. but if they dial 1h back up to 2.4 then don't be at all surprised to see 2h's stay at 3.0/3.5 or 3.0/4.0

Two things make me highly doubt this.

First, if it was another boost two-handers were getting they would just ninja it in. I think they would only mention it if we were getting the wrong results and they were going to "nerf" it back down to what it should be.

The second thing is my gut. It just feels unbalanced right now. I just think there is a problem with the pDIF universally, for both 1h and 2h, and thats what they are going to fix.

BTW, I love saying pDIF as if I knew all about it or something. LOL I understand the basic workings of it, but the way I and others have been talking about it, it feels like we are all talking about rocket science like it was something that we all understand, and that everyone should just fundamental get ballistic trajectories.

[isladar]

I'd still expect to see a minimum of 600-700 damage on those weaponskills from Soboro... but I wouldn't expect to see much more than that too often unless you have a lot of gear.

Two nights ago I was hitting 1000+ with Yukikaze -- as a level 61 SAM with Soboro. Its amazing, and I'd like to think my gear is good, but yeah, pretty unreal for a damage 40 weapon.

BTW, I love saying pDIF as if I knew all about it or something. LOL I understand the basic workings of it, but the way I and others have been talking about it, it feels like we are all talking about rocket science like it was something that we all understand, and that everyone should just fundamental get ballistic trajectories.

I absolutely concur -- LS mates were asking about the 2-handed changes, to which I started to respond. After floundering about I finally said "Its something to do with 3.0. God help me if I knew what. Just go out and merit while you can."